Another troll with a brand new account who has completely ignored the cannabis growing aspect of this cannabis growing site and jumps right into the political fray.
Russia is supporting Bernie Sanders as well as Trump again in 2020.
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UncleBuck
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DIY-HP-LED
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I'm not a Bernie Bro, just defending a good man's character at this point, but I do like Bernie, if he's electable. The primaries are primarily American business as far as I'm concerned, Trump is an issue that transcends borders however.
UncleBuck
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hes promising you take away 100 million people’s healthcare and raise their taxes
He’s a guaranteed loss
DIY-HP-LED
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I agree there are risks Buck and I figure when Nancy is done talking to him that might change a bit, it was vague for a reason and Bernie is wise enough to listen to wise counsel.
Nobody knows what the general election will be like, the primaries will offer a clue however, state by state. Watch the results, but also the turnouts, Only a small portion of the democratic vote is in and ya need at least 7% sample to even start drawing inferences and each state is different so that might not help either. If Bernie wins the nomination ya gotta be prepared for the shock of battle and the head to head polls will tell the tale. I think Bernie might surprise many of the pundits and news people who like their healthcare and whose multi million dollar salaries would be targeted by Bernie, I figure it's skewing their view. I watched Donnie Deutsch nearly lose his mind over Bernie on morning Joe the other morning, and they are calling for Chris Matthews head!
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Fogdog
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Its a fact, though. Bernie only got 25% of the votes in states that are in his demographic wheelhouse. He did no better in Nevada than in 2016.
I totally agree that its a split field and I agree that it is hard to get a majority in that situation. So you say "it's was hard, give him a break". It's not just his mediocre results in the primary that I'm looking at either. Bernie has a crappy work history as a Senator (showed up for only 40% of votes), a shoddy legislative record represented by that idiotic health care bill and is obviously unable to work well with others. On top of all those negatives, I'm not going to discount the fact that Bernie can't get a majority of the vote in a much more liberal crowd than he will face in the general election.
Your reply is I can't do math? I don't have to do math. Just look at the numbers. You concocted an excuse, not a reason why Bernie can't win a majority. He absolutely could have if he had spent time during the past five years trying to build bridges with the people who cast votes for Hillary instead of him. Instead he tore at the Democratic Party as if they are why Trump was attempting to repeal the ACA. So, I'll say it clearly, Bernie didn't get a majority of the Democratic vote after five years of campaigning because he doesn't want to lead the Democratic party. As a result, a nobody mayor from nowhere beat him in Iowa. Ignoring election results, I have given good reasons for saying that Bernie isn't a good candidate to put up against Trump in the fall. Finally, even if Bernie wins, there is nothing to indicate he can be a good president.
Note that at no point in my post I have said anything personal about you. How about defending Bernie instead of attacking somebody who has offered you no insult.
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londonfog
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its math dude. When you look at the numbers what are you doing. eating, singing, writing , drawing . Who has higher number than Bernie ? Nevada you had a field of 7 he took over forty percent doubling the closet person to him. MATH. Now again I state you either understand math or you do not. If you understand math you would not be presenting the argument you are right now. Your dislike for Bernie is blinding you, but as long as you vote for Trump out Nov 3 all is good
DIY-HP-LED
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Here is what the pundits think, biases and all
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Howard Dean: Not ready to say Bernie Sanders is going to be nominee
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Howard Dean: Not ready to say Bernie Sanders is going to be nominee
UncleBuck
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im looking at the math and the most votes are for anyone but bernie
its math dude. When you look at the numbers what are you doing. eating, singing, writing , drawing . Who has higher number than Bernie ? Nevada you had a field of 7 he too over forty percent doubling the closet person to him. MATH. Now again I state you either understand math or you do not. If you understand math you would not be presenting the argument you are right now. Your dislike for Bernie is blinding you, but as long as you vote for Trump out Nov 3 all is good
londonfog
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who do you hate worst
Fogdog
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An excuse is offered instead of a reason. Excuses are for losers.
its math dude. When you look at the numbers what are you doing. eating, singing, writing , drawing . Who has higher number than Bernie ? Nevada you had a field of 7 he too over forty percent doubling the closet person to him. MATH. Now again I state you either understand math or you do not. If you understand math you would not be presenting the argument you are right now. Your dislike for Bernie is blinding you, but as long as you vote for Trump out Nov 3 all is good
As I said, I agree that it is difficult to win a majority in a divided field. Your excuse is "it is hard". Yeah, so, I want leaders who can achieve difficult tasks and Bernie fails in this regard every time. This time, Bernie is failing to attract more votes because he has conducted a bitter and divisive campaign against Democrats for more than five years. The majority of this party can't agree on who is better but we sure as hell agree that we don't want Bernie. Besides his problems with attracting liberals to vote for him, he has no history to show he would be a good president. I think Democrats have better choices among field of actual Democrats currently running. Which leaves out Bloomberg and Bernie.
The primary is looking more and more like it's not going to end with any candidate holding a majority of committed delegates. If the convention is contested, Bernie's chances to come out of the convention as the nominee will drop. Are you willing to vote for whoever is selected for the role of Democratic Party nominee in the fall?
Padawanbater2
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Only on RIU
In the real world people like Sanders and his policy positions are widely popular
londonfog
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Quote were I said "it is hard" to win a majority or you are a liar. I think you don't understand math
Fogdog
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So you just talk about pies and say I should look past the fact that, despite five years of effort, Sanders can't attract a majority from a liberal group of voters because of a pie. Yep, I paraphrased your argument as "it's hard, give Bernie a break". My view is in a divided field, Bernie failed to accomplish a difficult task. Again. Not giving him or anybody an excuse. It's up to candidates to attract voters. None of the candidates have done so thus far.
Excuses are for losers.
Are you going to support the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is in the fall?
UncleBuck
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not really
You’ll see
You’ll deny it the whole time too. Believe it or not, taking away people’s healthcare and raising their taxes isn’t s good idea for winning an election
DIY-HP-LED
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A view from the left side of the street, Bernie's base is sure fired up, but the tone of the rallies are distinctly different from Trump's!
Here is how Bernie's supporters are feeling.
Here is how Bernie's supporters are feeling.
londonfog
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I talk about math, graphs, pies to show that Bernie is winning. Nothing fucking hard about it at all. Is this conversation going over your head ? I think it Is. I will try to keep it simple. Who has the most delegates at this point. Bernie, now until that changes Bernie is winning, You do know how this work don't you ?
Fogdog
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OK, so avoid the counter argument and stick to your excuse.
Bernie had five years to build bridges with the people who didn't vote for him in 2016 and he didn't even try. All he's done thus far is attract fewer votes than he got in 2016. It was this point in 2016 that he was at a high point and he's looking no better today than he did then.
Excuses are for losers.
You've pretty much made your argument about how hard it has been and are now just repeating yourself. I'll be glad to revisit this argument after Super-Tuesday.
hanimmal
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You sure are singing Trump's hymns lately.
Because Bernie Sanders is being pushed by Russians spreading hate and lies, just like Trump. Everyone that cares about democracy should be losing their minds right about now.
Free shit wrapped in a populous message that is being micro targeted in a package that scares those people the most usually are.
Are you an American?