Greenwood Massacre aka Tulsa Race Riots - 1921

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What we know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US

Law enforcement and federal officials say outside elements from both far-right and far-left groups are helping fuel the violent and damaging confrontations that have marred protests across the country in recent days, despite President Donald Trump's focus just on Antifa and the far left.

www.cnn.com

What we do and don't know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US
CNN)Law enforcement and federal officials say outside elements from both far-right and far-left groups are helping fuel the violent and damaging confrontations that have marred protests across the country in recent days, despite President Donald Trump's focus just on Antifa and the far left.
Although interference in this way may be happening, federal and local officials have yet to provide evidence to the public.

Local and federal officials are still trying to quantify how significant a role the outside groups are playing in the unrest that has spread to cities all over the US. Officials are scrambling to identify the affiliations of the extremists taking part in the riots, property destruction and attacks on police, and allegations of foreign influence stoking the unrest online are being actively tracked.

Minnesota Democratic Gov. Tim Walz said Sunday that ultimately the catalyst of the protests was the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who was held down at the neck by white police officer Derek Chauvin, who was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday. But the state is looking at data from arrests and human intelligence that points to some outside influence seeking to capitalize on the situation and create unrest.


"I certainly think I want to believe it is outside more and that might go to the problem that we have of saying 'it can't be Minnesotans'," Walz said at a Sunday morning press conference. "I know there are outside folks in there whether they are the predominance or whether leading or not." But the catalyst, he said, was the murder of George Floyd and that was "our problem."
"Saying there are outside forces is not to deflect and pretend we don't have that," Walz said.

The President and his top officials have blamed far-left extremists for the violence. Trump tweeted Sunday that the United States would designate Antifa, which is short for anti-fascists, as a terrorist organization, and Attorney General William Barr also singled out the group in a statement denouncing the violence as domestic terrorism, announcing federal law enforcement would use its network of Joint Terrorism Task Forces to apprehend and charge those taking part in the violent confrontations.

The US government has no existing legal authority to label a wholly domestic group in the manner it currently designates foreign terrorist organizations.

Federal law enforcement sees extremists across spectrum
While Trump and Barr have focused on Antifa, the FBI and other agencies are tracking groups from both the extremist right and left involved in the riots and attacks on police.

Federal law enforcement officials tell CNN they are aware of organized groups who are seeking to carry out the property destruction and violence, using the cover of the legitimate protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology.
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[f series]

Most the color I'm seeing is on these people's heads, not skin.

 

[Fogdog]

What we know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US

Law enforcement and federal officials say outside elements from both far-right and far-left groups are helping fuel the violent and damaging confrontations that have marred protests across the country in recent days, despite President Donald Trump's focus just on Antifa and the far left.

www.cnn.com

What we do and don't know about the extremists taking part in riots across the US
CNN)Law enforcement and federal officials say outside elements from both far-right and far-left groups are helping fuel the violent and damaging confrontations that have marred protests across the country in recent days, despite President Donald Trump's focus just on Antifa and the far left.
Although interference in this way may be happening, federal and local officials have yet to provide evidence to the public.

Local and federal officials are still trying to quantify how significant a role the outside groups are playing in the unrest that has spread to cities all over the US. Officials are scrambling to identify the affiliations of the extremists taking part in the riots, property destruction and attacks on police, and allegations of foreign influence stoking the unrest online are being actively tracked.

Minnesota Democratic Gov. Tim Walz said Sunday that ultimately the catalyst of the protests was the death of George Floyd, an unarmed black man who was held down at the neck by white police officer Derek Chauvin, who was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter on Friday. But the state is looking at data from arrests and human intelligence that points to some outside influence seeking to capitalize on the situation and create unrest.


"I certainly think I want to believe it is outside more and that might go to the problem that we have of saying 'it can't be Minnesotans'," Walz said at a Sunday morning press conference. "I know there are outside folks in there whether they are the predominance or whether leading or not." But the catalyst, he said, was the murder of George Floyd and that was "our problem."
"Saying there are outside forces is not to deflect and pretend we don't have that," Walz said.

The President and his top officials have blamed far-left extremists for the violence. Trump tweeted Sunday that the United States would designate Antifa, which is short for anti-fascists, as a terrorist organization, and Attorney General William Barr also singled out the group in a statement denouncing the violence as domestic terrorism, announcing federal law enforcement would use its network of Joint Terrorism Task Forces to apprehend and charge those taking part in the violent confrontations.

The US government has no existing legal authority to label a wholly domestic group in the manner it currently designates foreign terrorist organizations.

Federal law enforcement sees extremists across spectrum
While Trump and Barr have focused on Antifa, the FBI and other agencies are tracking groups from both the extremist right and left involved in the riots and attacks on police.

Federal law enforcement officials tell CNN they are aware of organized groups who are seeking to carry out the property destruction and violence, using the cover of the legitimate protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere. Those domestic extremist groups include anarchists, anti-government groups often associated with far-right extremists and white supremacy causes, and far-left extremists who identify with anti-fascist ideology.
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The only problem I have with that article is it ignores the fact that Antifa are not an organization. White supremacists, on the other hand have organizations that go back more than a hundred years. I doubt there will be anything like the kind of unity of action from the left compared to right wing nationalists. Not to say there wasn't looting going on and maybe even gang activities in the mix. It's pretty clear that CNN was careful to be neutral in their reporting and will continue to act as if "it could be anybody" until more evidence surfaces.

 

[hanimmal]

Trump has such a inferiority complex that Trump is using Bloomberg's idea to reboot his campaign by going to Tulsa. I wonder how much of Bloomberg speech Trump steals.



I wonder what their virus map will look like after his rally.


https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/covid-19-2-more-deaths-reported-with-117-new-cases-across-oklahoma/article_1124763b-31dd-53fd-818b-6360e18b5dc5.html

 

[captainmorgan]

And then there are idiots like this defending the special flag, I bet he rode a special bus to a special school too.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

And then there are idiots like this defending the special flag, I bet he rode a special bus to a special school too.


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He looks like a special snowflake to me a candidate for the emotional special olympics.

 

[schuylaar]

And then there are idiots like this defending the special flag, I bet he rode a special bus to a special school too.


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he means 'supremacist'.

 

[OVH]

This thread was started with the idea blacks in America should get reparations based on a race riot that broke out almost 100 years ago... I searched social programs and welfare by race and all I can find is that blacks are receiving these services at 3-4 times the rate than whites(nces.gov) Despite their population being considerably smaller than whites in America. That’s millions more money going into the black community through the govt in America than the white community.

Also when I searched murder rates in America it seems black on black murders are the largest group. Also blacks kill whites at much higher rates than white on black. Where is the outrage for that? It seems that pointing at 300 dead blacks 100 years ago fits a certain narrative to reinforced a cognitive dissonance. To ignore the reality of the fact that blacks have killed many more whites in America over AT LEAST the past 30 years than whites have killed blacks

 

[captainmorgan]

This thread was started with the idea blacks in America should get reparations based on a race riot that broke out almost 100 years ago... I searched social programs and welfare by race and all I can find is that blacks are receiving these services at 3-4 times the rate than whites(nces.gov) Despite their population being considerably smaller than whites in America. That’s millions more money going into the black community through the govt in America than the white community.

Also when I searched murder rates in America it seems black on black murders are the largest group. Also blacks kill whites at much higher rates than white on black. Where is the outrage for that? It seems that pointing at 300 dead blacks 100 years ago fits a certain narrative to reinforced a cognitive dissonance. To ignore the reality of the fact that blacks have killed many more whites in America over AT LEAST the past 30 years than whites have killed blacks

Is your sister good in bed?

 

[hanimmal]

This thread was started with the idea blacks in America should get reparations based on a race riot that broke out almost 100 years ago... I searched social programs and welfare by race and all I can find is that blacks are receiving these services at 3-4 times the rate than whites(nces.gov) Despite their population being considerably smaller than whites in America. That’s millions more money going into the black community through the govt in America than the white community.

So you are looking at the type of program and not the overall spending of these programs in total?

That sounds like cherry picking to me. Because if you pretend like white people don't get more aid you are mistaken.

https://www.lexingtonlaw.com/blog/finance/welfare-statistics.html


Now you should also consider that white people have access to far more options generally than black people have had to things like healthy food sources (food deserts in the cities), credit/loans (to buy homes and open businesses). Stuff like that is why there needs to be minority based programs, something that white people are able to just go to the free market place for.

Also when I searched murder rates in America it seems black on black murders are the largest group. Also blacks kill whites at much higher rates than white on black. Where is the outrage for that? It seems that pointing at 300 dead blacks 100 years ago fits a certain narrative to reinforced a cognitive dissonance. To ignore the reality of the fact that blacks have killed many more whites in America over AT LEAST the past 30 years than whites have killed blacks

Where are you finding this? Because you are wrong, at least for 2013, if you have better data, feel free to share.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls


You should stop listening to what racists tell you, especially when they have been proven to be liars to keep people snowballed into hating 'them'.

 

[schuylaar]

This thread was started with the idea blacks in America should get reparations based on a race riot that broke out almost 100 years ago... I searched social programs and welfare by race and all I can find is that blacks are receiving these services at 3-4 times the rate than whites(nces.gov) Despite their population being considerably smaller than whites in America. That’s millions more money going into the black community through the govt in America than the white community.

Also when I searched murder rates in America it seems black on black murders are the largest group. Also blacks kill whites at much higher rates than white on black. Where is the outrage for that? It seems that pointing at 300 dead blacks 100 years ago fits a certain narrative to reinforced a cognitive dissonance. To ignore the reality of the fact that blacks have killed many more whites in America over AT LEAST the past 30 years than whites have killed blacks

what was white on black death rate prior to 1968..why is an anti-lynching bill being introduced in 2020?

 

[OVH]

So you are looking at the type of program and not the overall spending of these programs in total?

That sounds like cherry picking to me. Because if you pretend like white people don't get more aid you are mistaken.

https://www.lexingtonlaw.com/blog/finance/welfare-statistics.html
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Now you should also consider that white people have access to far more options generally than black people have had to things like healthy food sources (food deserts in the cities), credit/loans (to buy homes and open businesses). Stuff like that is why there needs to be minority based programs, something that white people are able to just go to the free market place for.


Where are you finding this? Because you are wrong, at least for 2013, if you have better data, feel free to share.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
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You should stop listening to what racists tell you, especially when they have been proven to be liars to keep people snowballed into hating 'them'.

Thanks for the well put together reply. So from looking at it when you take into account population to percent of social programs being used races except for whites do use social programs at disproportionate rates.

As for the murder chart you posted - I do like it’s raw numbers from FBI. So I am reading it as 3005 white victims and 2491 black victims with 189 whites killing blacks and 409 blacks killing whites in 1 year. So more than twice as many blacks killed whites than whites killed blacks that year alone. Please let me know if I’m reading that wrong.

 

[hanimmal]

Thanks for the well put together reply. So from looking at it when you take into account population to percent of social programs being used races except for whites do use social programs at disproportionate rates.

As for the murder chart you posted - I do like it’s raw numbers from FBI. So I am reading it as 3005 white victims and 2491 black victims with 189 whites killing blacks and 409 blacks killing whites in 1 year. So more than twice as many blacks killed whites than whites killed blacks that year alone. Please let me know if I’m reading that wrong.

But you would have to consider population density/poverty levels too.

What do you think would happen if you were able to look at the low-income trailer parks country-wide for example, you would easily see a much higher crime rate too I would bet.

You can cherry pick statistics all day long to fit some narrative. The reality is that we over police and under fund the minority neighborhoods we stuffed people into after WW2 when all the white people used all those nice lending opportunities to build the suburbs leaving a deflated tax base and rampant poverty in the cities.

Once government sanctioned programs like red-lining and forced segregation of schools were lost to the white people, the economy stepped into the role of creating institutional racism by not lending to minorities, nor hiring them in a lot of positions, to keep the imbalance alive and well.

Helping our minority communities access the same benefits our nation provides is not only humane, but it is also highly rational. With 100% of our population's best and brightest working hard with the best tools we will be far better off than the old model of 33% or so of the population (white men) only running everything.

 

[schuylaar]

Thanks for the well put together reply. So from looking at it when you take into account population to percent of social programs being used races except for whites do use social programs at disproportionate rates.

As for the murder chart you posted - I do like it’s raw numbers from FBI. So I am reading it as 3005 white victims and 2491 black victims with 189 whites killing blacks and 409 blacks killing whites in 1 year. So more than twice as many blacks killed whites than whites killed blacks that year alone. Please let me know if I’m reading that wrong.

but you didn't answer my question.

 

[schuylaar]

So you are looking at the type of program and not the overall spending of these programs in total?

That sounds like cherry picking to me. Because if you pretend like white people don't get more aid you are mistaken.

https://www.lexingtonlaw.com/blog/finance/welfare-statistics.html
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Now you should also consider that white people have access to far more options generally than black people have had to things like healthy food sources (food deserts in the cities), credit/loans (to buy homes and open businesses). Stuff like that is why there needs to be minority based programs, something that white people are able to just go to the free market place for.


Where are you finding this? Because you are wrong, at least for 2013, if you have better data, feel free to share.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls
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You should stop listening to what racists tell you, especially when they have been proven to be liars to keep people snowballed into hating 'them'.

i beg to differ on the programs..if you have no family for friends to assist you are shit out of luck..SNAP $194..there is no welfare if you have no kids and aren't working. many states have no Medicaid expansion therefore unless you have a minor child, you don't qualify. period.

which programs am I missing that you allude to?

 

[OVH]

what was white on black death rate prior to 1968..why is an anti-lynching bill being introduced in 2020?

I don’t know what was the murder rate? Do you have a link?

 

[hanimmal]

i beg to differ on the programs..if you have no family for friends to assist you are shit out of luck..SNAP $194..there is no welfare if you have no kids and aren't working. many states have no Medicaid expansion therefore unless you have a minor child, you don't qualify. period.

which programs am I missing that you allude to?

Im not sure what you mean, are you looking to get help or something? I guess you would need to figure out what you are looking for first.

 

[schuylaar]

Im not sure what you mean, are you looking to get help or something? I guess you would need to figure out what you are looking for first.

no i don't need help or something.

 

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[hanimmal]

no i don't need help or something.

I might have been being an ass, but I didn't understand the question. There have been many programs for women that I know of through the years, but in the times of the pandemic/Trump defunding programs I really don't know anymore.

Even something like taking out Federal student loans could help an adult to get a college education with enough left to survive on if very frugal. I wouldn't recommend it for something like a dropping out before getting a art degree maybe, but any STEM program for sure I would. By the time you get to grad school you can also work for the school as a graduate assistant, so sky is the limit if you put the work in (and don't have anything stopping you from getting a federal student loan).