What has Trump done to this country?

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[radiant Rudy]

i wonder what this thread is going to look like in november when trump wins. just saying, not a fan of either trump or biden but at this point it looks like trump is set for a 2020 november win. all the people upset with his policies/actions seem to be the same ones who would be upset with him regardless.

if the above is true then the real nail in the coffin was the democrat party itself. alot of long time democrats feel alienated by the party (identity politics is great for marketing, but in an actual democratic vote the moderate element is often pushed the other direction by the fringe). not that all republicans support trump but the choice comes down to a president who at worst will tweet some stupid shit or choosing a representative (and biden was the best they could come up with?) from a now "radical" party.

im using anecdotal evidence on this, but i have heard alot of old school democrats or liberals say "man, i cant believe where my party is headed" and on the flip side i havent heard any long time right wingers complain about trump outside of the lincoln project ads (and those are ex mccain gang, so they are pariahs anyhow as far as GOP circles are concerned)

im not clairvoyant so i could be wrong but im seeing a repeat of 2016 here. media and the left confident in their win; if they ran bernie they might have won (both 2016 and 2020).

In addition to the shit scented breathlessness, the willful ignorance and regurgitated imbecile turds i reported you for magat like gullibility

 

[radiant Rudy]

-no concrete evidence, calling it how i see it

-maybe, but cult of personality or not to many people they have to choose between trump and biden. i dont think voter suppression is the issue here, fact is trump won 2016 because the dems ran clinton (evil incarnate) and snubbed bernie who might have won. this year, 2020, they snub bernie again and run biden who is in many ways just as undesirable as clinton being a career politician and his run ins with sex assault scandals.

-sure, many long time centrist and democrats who may have held their nose and voted for trump/clinton in 2016 will do so again or recuse themselves altogether. this could be true for trump to with GOP support but considering he has basically stayed the same since 2016 i dont see hiw support wavering versus a party who twice snubbed bernie and caters to fringe elements like BLM (that shit is scary to alot of moderates). i could be wrong of course, i cant see the future

-mostly anecdotal on my end, but yes, i know of several people i would label as moderate who feel this way

-i am american, and ohh no the russian thing. its overplayed at this point and the only ones who give russian myth any credence are known left wing groups such as msnbc. let me understand, the russians use social media to influence the gullible and stupids opinion? how is that different from......any other group foreign or domestic? do the chinese not engage in disinformation campaigns? what about the GOP and the democrats? big tech like facebook surely wouldnt promote or hide or censor opinion to push an agenda would they? how about NGOs, they wouldnt lie or create fake news. or how about the news itself? i dont understand the russian election meddling charge, like did they hack voting machines? did agents of the kgb drive a group of elderly voters to the desert so they would miss voting? did they convince everyone that election day was november 5th? seriously, what did the russians specifically do other than engage in what every other group out there is doing? as an individual in a democratic republic, before i vote i tend to learn as much as i can from varying sources before i throw my support behind anything......and thats why i am a political nihilist (i am not republican or democrat)

"How you see it"? Simple f'en rube no one gaf about your perspective as a leech in an impeached pig's lie hole.

 

[stalebiscuit]

I think all of the above can be cleared up with the last part. Unfortunately it would appear that you have been slammed with the propaganda (because a lot of it was designed to trick people into thinking the exact way you described above), that you below are at the same time saying is 'overplayed'.


As far as China goes, it is tough because we have a actual military attacking us right now that is not being dealt with first.

I highly recommend you watching this video that described the exact way they are able to pinpoint propaganda to each voter.

This is the guy that set up the Russians to have the tools to attack our nation, also a portion of the Facebook leak came from Cabridge Analytica.

It is different in many ways, first and most important, it is illegal for Trump to accept foreign aide in a campaign.

As an American this is one of the most important things to try to understand right now. There is so many propaganda spam opportunities online that the Russian military have weaponized against us, this is why people are having such a difficult time discussing anything in real life, they get so used to the trolling online that it inevitably carries over into the real world.


Unlike the Russians these companies have actual laws that they have to adhere to or pay huge fines and face jail time, because they are Americans. And especially the news, they have to be sure that they do things like not give false information on air or face lawsuits.

The problem withhow this attack on our nation is having websites that cat fish as 'news' and TV stations that use their stories giving them increased credibility. These websites/cherry picked stories by accurately sourced news sites (like AP)



They did hack every single states election boards. They did have a lot of spam doing things like telling people to text their votes, wrong dates, and all the other spam related to the last minute disinformation to suppress votes.

But the majority of their impact was by swaying people to think the way you are seeming to believe by spamming you for at least a decade about all of the 'both sides' nonsense. I would suggest not looking for 'varying sources', I would look at the handful of high credible and accurately sourced news sites and get the full story. Also any instead of clips/edited speeches, looking at the actual hearings/speeches is very worthwhile. It is incredibly easy to cherry pick anything you like and find stuff to sound/look bad.

i dont understand how the above is election meddling

for instance, i dont use facebook or social media outside a few message boards. i was not targeted by russians or big tech in either instance, at least not in any more of a way than any user posting anything.

i believe in freedom of speech, goes both ways. in economics the related idea is called caveat emptor, caveat venditor. buyer and seller beware. if voter suppression in your opinion consists of influencing the most gullible via false news perhaps pure democracy is not a good thing lol

i mean, not to sound like an elitist but if you are too fucking retarded to know you cant text a vote in your probably shouldnt be voting.

i dont need sources, plenty on both sides who lie or mislead. what i want to know is what the russian are accused of doing and if it is fucking with idiots on social media how is that illegal or even a big influence?

and they hacked boards? did they go in and change votes from clinton to trump? sorry the russian story is only a big deal to the never trumpers, as it is the only explanation given as to how he could have possibly won in their eyes. if he wins in november, would it be the russians again?

 

[hanimmal]

i dont understand how the above is election meddling

for instance, i dont use facebook or social media outside a few message boards. i was not targeted by russians or big tech in either instance, at least not in any more of a way than any user posting anything.

i believe in freedom of speech, goes both ways. in economics the related idea is called caveat emptor, caveat venditor. buyer and seller beware. if voter suppression in your opinion consists of influencing the most gullible via false news perhaps pure democracy is not a good thing lol

i mean, not to sound like an elitist but if you are too fucking retarded to know you cant text a vote in your probably shouldnt be voting.

i dont need sources, plenty on both sides who lie or mislead. what i want to know is what the russian are accused of doing and if it is fucking with idiots on social media how is that illegal or even a big influence?

and they hacked boards? did they go in and change votes from clinton to trump? sorry the russian story is only a big deal to the never trumpers, as it is the only explanation given as to how he could have possibly won in their eyes. if he wins in november, would it be the russians again?

Have you ever had a Facebook or other major website account? And do your friends/family use them?

It might be easier to just give you any specific example using something you care about and go from there. It is like a card trick that is going on, right now because you are skeptical of this attack, it will be easier to show you how the trick works with you participating in it.

Being able to first understand that we all are widely exposed online, and even though you may think you are anonymous, chances are you are still exposed and everything you do online data is being used to create a profile on you. The Trump Trolls (foreign and domestic (even though Parscale got demoted, he is still running the troll factory)) are using that information to make sure that the websites/stories you get highlight those specific things in ways that you care about.

 

[Grandpapy]

i dont understand how the above is election meddling

for instance, i dont use facebook or social media outside a few message boards. i was not targeted by russians or big tech in either instance, at least not in any more of a way than any user posting anything.

i believe in freedom of speech, goes both ways. in economics the related idea is called caveat emptor, caveat venditor. buyer and seller beware. if voter suppression in your opinion consists of influencing the most gullible via false news perhaps pure democracy is not a good thing lol

i mean, not to sound like an elitist but if you are too fucking retarded to know you cant text a vote in your probably shouldnt be voting.

i dont need sources, plenty on both sides who lie or mislead. what i want to know is what the russian are accused of doing and if it is fucking with idiots on social media how is that illegal or even a big influence?

and they hacked boards? did they go in and change votes from clinton to trump? sorry the russian story is only a big deal to the never trumpers, as it is the only explanation given as to how he could have possibly won in their eyes. if he wins in november, would it be the russians again?

How much money are you losing due to Russian sanctions?

500 Billion?

 

[captainmorgan]

Not sure why you guys argue with the same troll time and time again that just switches from one sock account after another.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Not sure why you guys argue with the same troll time and time again that just switches from one sock account after another.

Boredom and a chance to post anti Trump and pro Joe ads. It's fun to take a poke at em from time to time, gets that pissed off feeling out and directed at the right people. If a guy ain't pissed about what is happening with tens of thousands of citizens lives not worth a fucking mean tweet...

 

[hanimmal]

Not sure why you guys argue with the same troll time and time again that just switches from one sock account after another.

If I didn't know people like this in real life that actually believe this garbage propaganda, I would be more than happy to walk away (like I did back in 2013).

 

[stalebiscuit]

Have you ever had a Facebook or other major website account? And do your friends/family use them?

It might be easier to just give you any specific example using something you care about and go from there. It is like a card trick that is going on, right now because you are skeptical of this attack, it will be easier to show you how the trick works with you participating in it.

Being able to first understand that we all are widely exposed online, and even though you may think you are anonymous, chances are you are still exposed and everything you do online data is being used to create a profile on you. The Trump Trolls (foreign and domestic (even though Parscale got demoted, he is still running the troll factory)) are using that information to make sure that the websites/stories you get highlight those specific things in ways that you care about.

but thats just called targeted marketing. the same could easily be said about the other side as well. its less about influence and more about gaining views (revenue) feed the consumer with what they want

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Not sure why you guys argue with the same troll time and time again that just switches from one sock account after another.

The ads I posted caused him to pop his head up where he was exposed to ads and patriotic propaganda and had his head promptly chopped off.

 

[topcat]

i dont understand how the above is election meddling

for instance, i dont use facebook or social media outside a few message boards. i was not targeted by russians or big tech in either instance, at least not in any more of a way than any user posting anything.

i believe in freedom of speech, goes both ways. in economics the related idea is called caveat emptor, caveat venditor. buyer and seller beware. if voter suppression in your opinion consists of influencing the most gullible via false news perhaps pure democracy is not a good thing lol

i mean, not to sound like an elitist but if you are too fucking retarded to know you cant text a vote in your probably shouldnt be voting.

i dont need sources, plenty on both sides who lie or mislead. what i want to know is what the russian are accused of doing and if it is fucking with idiots on social media how is that illegal or even a big influence?

and they hacked boards? did they go in and change votes from clinton to trump? sorry the russian story is only a big deal to the never trumpers, as it is the only explanation given as to how he could have possibly won in their eyes. if he wins in november, would it be the russians again?

Do you cheer Dear Larder when he drinks water with one hand? Stares directly into a solar eclipse? Uh, huh, thought so.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

but thats just called targeted marketing. the same could easily be said about the other side as well. its less about influence and more about gaining views (revenue) feed the consumer with what they want

Obviously someone is not paying you for this, so I'll just let Americans handle ya and have some fun with yer asshole.

 

[hanimmal]

but thats just called targeted marketing. the same could easily be said about the other side as well. its less about influence and more about gaining views (revenue) feed the consumer with what they want

Do you know that the Russian military had a $1.25 million a month budget to attack our democracy.?



Their entire point is to spam every voter to the point that they believe what their online social circles are telling them is accurate, even when it is completely cherry picked events used to create a narrative of how bad everything is. Unfortunately it is being used currently by Trump who is able to move the news cycle in any direction at anytime, which makes it far harder to help people understand what is happening. If they can't get people to want to vote for Trump, they will use everything he does to build 'left' credibility while also attacking the politicians that don't have Russian interests as their top priority.

Also it is not the same, it is a foreign military getting involved in our elections, which is highly illegal. And Trump gave them our voting data. So they gained the ability to attack you in the district you are in. You and your family are under attack, it is important you understand this. Because you really are pretending like this is not a big deal, and it is.

 

[radiant Rudy]

but thats just called targeted marketing. the same could easily be said about the other side as well. its less about influence and more about gaining views (revenue) feed the consumer with what they want

You're generous as a motherfucker with the imbecile diarrhea!

 

[stalebiscuit]

Do you know that the Russian military had a $1.25 million a month budget to attack our democracy.?

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Their entire point is to spam every voter to the point that they believe what their online social circles are telling them is accurate, even when it is completely cherry picked events used to create a narrative of how bad everything is. Unfortunately it is being used currently by Trump who is able to move the news cycle in any direction at anytime, which makes it far harder to help people understand what is happening. If they can't get people to want to vote for Trump, they will use everything he does to build 'left' credibility while also attacking the politicians that don't have Russian interests as their top priority.

Also it is not the same, it is a foreign military getting involved in our elections, which is highly illegal. And Trump gave them our voting data. So they gained the ability to attack you in the district you are in. You and your family are under attack, it is important you understand this. Because you really are pretending like this is not a big deal, and it is.

so? i wonder what our defense budget is to destabilize yemen for the wahhabists?

and a foreign military is involved with the election being illegal? what law? like, is the FBI supposed to raid the kremlin to arrest the offenders half a world away? with all that you could rightfully criticize trump for why hyper focus on something that is not an issue? how are the russians attacking me?

*edit* i just got a good look at the legal document, is that request for admissions, an order? what document am i looking at? seems like its the accusatory part of a lawsuit and not an agreed fact

 

[hanimmal]

so? i wonder what our defense budget is to destabilize yemen for the wahhabists?

and a foreign military is involved with the election being illegal? what law? like, is the FBI supposed to raid the kremlin to arrest the offenders half a world away? with all that you could rightfully criticize trump for why hyper focus on something that is not an issue? how are the russians attacking me?

*edit* i just got a good look at the legal document, is that request for admissions, an order? what document am i looking at? seems like its the accusatory part of a lawsuit and not an agreed fact

'Whataboutism' as an American discussing a foreign nations attack on our democracy to someone who said they are also a fellow American, is pretty much a conversation killer.

You are seemingly very closed to understanding what this attack is all about. And have yet to actually post something you care about showing that you are not actually here to have a conversation, but to push the 'don't vote' nonsense.

The reference I posted above is form the actual indictment. The Russian military broke our laws to help get Trump elected by attacking over 180 million Americans that have been shown in numerous public reports detailing how they did it.



I would highly recommend as a fellow American that you read the bi-partisan Senate report on the Russian militiaries attack on our citizens. Until we can get past this people who may be exactly what they say are indistinguishable from a paid foreign troll.

 

[UncleBuck]

so? i wonder what our defense budget is to destabilize yemen for the wahhabists?

and a foreign military is involved with the election being illegal? what law? like, is the FBI supposed to raid the kremlin to arrest the offenders half a world away? with all that you could rightfully criticize trump for why hyper focus on something that is not an issue? how are the russians attacking me?

*edit* i just got a good look at the legal document, is that request for admissions, an order? what document am i looking at? seems like its the accusatory part of a lawsuit and not an agreed fact

youre not any good at this

 

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[Fogdog]

i wonder what this thread is going to look like in november when trump wins. just saying, not a fan of either trump or biden but at this point it looks like trump is set for a 2020 november win. all the people upset with his policies/actions seem to be the same ones who would be upset with him regardless.

if the above is true then the real nail in the coffin was the democrat party itself. alot of long time democrats feel alienated by the party (identity politics is great for marketing, but in an actual democratic vote the moderate element is often pushed the other direction by the fringe). not that all republicans support trump but the choice comes down to a president who at worst will tweet some stupid shit or choosing a representative (and biden was the best they could come up with?) from a now "radical" party.

im using anecdotal evidence on this, but i have heard alot of old school democrats or liberals say "man, i cant believe where my party is headed" and on the flip side i havent heard any long time right wingers complain about trump outside of the lincoln project ads (and those are ex mccain gang, so they are pariahs anyhow as far as GOP circles are concerned)

im not clairvoyant so i could be wrong but im seeing a repeat of 2016 here. media and the left confident in their win; if they ran bernie they might have won (both 2016 and 2020).

There is no such thing as anecdotal evidence, that's just dressing up what "somebody said" with weasel words.

The 2018 election polls are a really bad sign for Republicans, not just Trump.