Problem with organic outdoor grow

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Anendola2001

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Question could under or over watering create this ? I water a fair amount but with large fabric pots that are bearing the end of season they get compacted with top dressings and I can give hem up to 14 gal and they barely leak out the bottom. ? They don’t droop unless nighttime or they want water which has been a while since they dropped from low water but maybe not enough water to make them droop but to effect their roots ? Just throwing ideas out there. Thanks again for any help
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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JimmiP said:
Overall, not doing too bad. Looks like a little nutrient burn but not to bad. And maybe a little low on magnesium. I would stop trying to feed a lot of things to them and water with one tsp epsom salt per gallon and do a foliar spray with the same mix. Then wait a few days and see what happens.
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I second the tip burn and a little thirsty. Epsoms salt is useless as a top dressing though. Just use it as a foliar spray. 1Tsp./quart. In soil it is just more salt. I would suggest 1Tsp/quart fish emulsion. Won't repair the damage or tip burn. But will put things back on track in two to three days. Spray two mornings in a row. Rinse the day. Wait two days and repeat if not improved. Easiest and cheapest general band aid there is. I would also rethink that complicated soil and crazy large pot size. Those size plants are easily do able in 10 gallons. 001.jpg
 
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I'm a simpler gardener also from Ontario ;) I appreciate your research and use of multiple amendments. You have some purdy girls growing.
That being said there is such a thing as over fertilizing. Nute burn shows as burnt leaf tips and edges as it progresses. Try only adding nutes every other watering. Even no feed waterings should be phed and with enough water to cover 1-3 days. You're only overwatering if it's taking longer than that to dry out.if things keep getting worse then consider checking the ph of soil and runoff as it could be out of whack making anything you put in moot.
But honestly you're looking good!
 
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MICHI-CAN said:
I second the tip burn and a little thirsty. Epsoms salt is useless as a top dressing though. Just use it as a foliar spray. 1Tsp./quart. In soil it is just more salt. I would suggest 1Tsp/quart fish emulsion. Won't repair the damage or tip burn. But will put things back on track in two to three days. Spray two mornings in a row. Rinse the day. Wait two days and repeat if not improved. Easiest and cheapest general band aid there is. I would also rethink that complicated soil and crazy large pot size. Those size plants are easily do able in 10 gallons. View attachment 4665277
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Thank you for your input. It is appreciated. I only really used epsom in the initial mix and expected it to be broken down before I had used it, have only ever used it in water or spray but thanks for confirming I was on the right path. I was wondering if they need N but thought I must of had enough in my last top dressing as a lot of it was N as well as the others. I have fish emulsion but haven’t used it since mid to late veg. Are you saying in the soil or as a spray ? Is it okay to spray into flower ? I thought that was a no no and everyday I’m further into it? And your saying spray mornings with fish and just water the day after or the day of spray ? Also didn’t think the girls liked to be wet in sun ? But I’m all ears lol.
Yeah potsize wise I went from 15 to 35 before preflower it just at becuase I thought the roots burst during preflower and stretch and wanted to let them grow as my roots were filling the 15 and have so many at the top that I needed some more space for roots and dressings. Also thought bigger pot bigger plant but I was late and have had my issues so they are t as big as I’d hoped. Thank you for all your advice. Feel free to share as much as you would like lol
 
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Greenthumblady said:
I'm a simpler gardener also from Ontario ;) I appreciate your research and use of multiple amendments. You have some purdy girls growing.
That being said there is such a thing as over fertilizing. Nute burn shows as burnt leaf tips and edges as it progresses. Try only adding nutes every other watering. Even no feed waterings should be phed and with enough water to cover 1-3 days. You're only overwatering if it's taking longer than that to dry out.if things keep getting worse then consider checking the ph of soil and runoff as it could be out of whack making anything you put in moot.
But honestly you're looking good!
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Wow thanks ! it was complicated at first but now I understand more it will be simpler next season lol. Bit of late mixed wit catch up all at the same time. ‍ Yeah I thought burn. They were looking better untill I did my flower top dressing. It’s water and basic teas only till hopefully they lol better before next feeding and I’ll drop all the amounts down. The 35 are quite tricky to water. I have gone to the point of making holes and using my moisture meteor in the sides, one near bottom and one halfway a few times around the pots. It’s crazy the difference even after a good watering. It takes me almost a day to be able to slowly get as much water as I need in there. I aim for every so slightly run off and then check everywhere to see it’s moist to wet. Takes 3-4 days before most is ready sometimes less sometimes more depending on weather.
My soil throughout usually ranges from 6.5 to 7 sometimes it drifts slightly up or down from that but that’s where the microbes seems to keep it. I was not phing or had a meter in the beginning and no problems. I did get one blue labs. Since then been keeping things going in between 6-7 and check ph daily. My bottoms are wet middle is wet to moist and too is moist today. 14 gal on Sunday nothing Monday Tuesday they got 1 gal to keep moist up top after a final hair cut and today they sit. So I might be slightly overwatering as well. Maybe too much at a time. I’ve been doing full watering decry so often like this one and then smallar 6-8 ones in between. Now my goal is to keep moist as flowering roots don’t grow and just need moisture where they are ...??? If that right. Lol. Wet/dry cycle veg moist flower ? Either way thank you for your compliments and advise !
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Anendola2001 said:
Thank you for your input. It is appreciated. I only really used epsom in the initial mix and expected it to be broken down before I had used it, have only ever used it in water or spray but thanks for confirming I was on the right path. I was wondering if they need N but thought I must of had enough in my last top dressing as a lot of it was N as well as the others. I have fish emulsion but haven’t used it since mid to late veg. Are you saying in the soil or as a spray ? Is it okay to spray into flower ? I thought that was a no no and everyday I’m further into it? And your saying spray mornings with fish and just water the day after or the day of spray ? Also didn’t think the girls liked to be wet in sun ? But I’m all ears lol.
Yeah potsize wise I went from 15 to 35 before preflower it just at becuase I thought the roots burst during preflower and stretch and wanted to let them grow as my roots were filling the 15 and have so many at the top that I needed some more space for roots and dressings. Also thought bigger pot bigger plant but I was late and have had my issues so they are t as big as I’d hoped. Thank you for all your advice. Feel free to share as much as you would like lol
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You are welcome. I just want more people to grow more organic plants of all kinds. Get the poisons out of our world. But yes, fish foliar spray w/epsoms in it. In the morning. Will evaporate before the sun can burn any dots in the leaves. And less likely to promote fungus than moisture sitting all night. And it doesn't attract moths"source of outdoor bud rot". Mist for two mornings till wet. Rinse the plant thouroughly on the third morning. Remove residue from salt. Hampers transpiration and light absorption. Adequate pot size with proper wet dry routine will maintain healthy roots and grow large plants. Large pots tend to be too wet and suffer root rot to some extent in my experience. I'll help if I can. Just ask. Backyard hillbilly gardener. But been doing it my whole life. `4 gallon pot. Neglected for entire winter. 001.jpg
 
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MICHI-CAN said:
You are welcome. I just want more people to grow more organic plants of all kinds. Get the poisons out of our world. But yes, fish foliar spray w/epsoms in it. In the morning. Will evaporate before the sun can burn any dots in the leaves. And less likely to promote fungus than moisture sitting all night. And it doesn't attract moths"source of outdoor bud rot". Mist for two mornings till wet. Rinse the plant thouroughly on the third morning. Remove residue from salt. Hampers transpiration and light absorption. Adequate pot size with proper wet dry routine will maintain healthy roots and grow large plants. Large pots tend to be too wet and suffer root rot to some extent in my experience. I'll help if I can. Just ask. Backyard hillbilly gardener. But been doing it my whole life. `4 gallon pot. Neglected for entire winter. View attachment 4665361
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Thanks again. Yes I went organic for those reasons and more. It’s healthy all around. Thank you for clarifying. It’s actually overcast today and a little chilly I wonder if I could get away with it today before sun gets out but probably best to wait till tomorrow morning. I will try that mix for a spray thrusday Friday and rinse it Saturday. Curious if it is burn, and I’m spraying more nutes, that won’t hurt them ? Or is it such a light dose it just gives them something to feed while the roots are having some glitches ?
I had hoped my roots were big enough but I think with the late start and such maybe they aren’t quite as big as I thought. I had 3 males from seed I grew and had to kill and there roots were huge for their age so figure my girls must be ... who knows. But that could be a part of problem not getting as much dry time as they needed before. Thank you.
my main concern is that they produce high quality and as much as I can do I have enough medicine for the year. At least until my I get my license sorted for a few more lol
 
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Anendola2001

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MICHI-CAN said:
You are welcome. I just want more people to grow more organic plants of all kinds. Get the poisons out of our world. But yes, fish foliar spray w/epsoms in it. In the morning. Will evaporate before the sun can burn any dots in the leaves. And less likely to promote fungus than moisture sitting all night. And it doesn't attract moths"source of outdoor bud rot". Mist for two mornings till wet. Rinse the plant thouroughly on the third morning. Remove residue from salt. Hampers transpiration and light absorption. Adequate pot size with proper wet dry routine will maintain healthy roots and grow large plants. Large pots tend to be too wet and suffer root rot to some extent in my experience. I'll help if I can. Just ask. Backyard hillbilly gardener. But been doing it my whole life. `4 gallon pot. Neglected for entire winter. View attachment 4665361
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And wow. Guess your winters are not like ours ?
 
MICHI-CAN

MICHI-CAN

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Anendola2001 said:
Thanks again. Yes I went organic for those reasons and more. It’s healthy all around. Thank you for clarifying. It’s actually overcast today and a little chilly I wonder if I could get away with it today before sun gets out but probably best to wait till tomorrow morning. I will try that mix for a spray thrusday Friday and rinse it Saturday. Curious if it is burn, and I’m spraying more nutes, that won’t hurt them ? Or is it such a light dose it just gives them something to feed while the roots are having some glitches ?
I had hoped my roots were big enough but I think with the late start and such maybe they aren’t quite as big as I thought. I had 3 males from seed I grew and had to kill and there roots were huge for their age so figure my girls must be ... who knows. But that could be a part of problem not getting as much dry time as they needed before. Thank you.
my main concern is that they produce high quality and as much as I can do I have enough medicine for the year. At least until my I get my license sorted for a few more lol
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Fish doesn't burn when even close to recommended doses. If your overcast for a few more hours., get on it. Perfect time. Take a look at page 11 of my journal. It's my soil mix. I believe yours is too dense and over amended. My opinion. But there is a better cheaper blend out there. Took 3 years to get this consistent and reliable. Never use FFOF or ProMix again. But your density is slowing growth and retaining too much water. Just another thing to consider. Works for me. Might not for you.
 
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MICHI-CAN said:
November to April and around 0 F December to March. That's a 40W 3700K ceiling panel light that fueled that in front of a west facing window. View attachment 4665374View attachment 4665375
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Oh nice inside. I haven’t even got started with inside yet. That’s a whole different ballgame. I know what I want to do but will wait till after Xmas just to be ready for outdoor for starters and go from there. Thanks again for the tips I really appreciate it. They were so good and getting better and mind you still growing but just don’t look as green and healthy amongst the burn as they were
 
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Anendola2001

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MICHI-CAN said:
Fish doesn't burn when even close to recommended doses. If your overcast for a few more hours., get on it. Perfect time. Take a look at page 11 of my journal. It's my soil mix. I believe yours is too dense and over amended. My opinion. But there is a better cheaper blend out there. Took 3 years to get this consistent and reliable. Never use FFOF or ProMix again. But your density is slowing growth and retaining too much water. Just another thing to consider. Works for me. Might not for you.
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How would one go about finding your journal el ? Lol
 
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