PGR Weed

CannaOnerStar

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I heard there was chemical that made frogs gay, I thought might of been it :lol: :lol: :lol:

Never heard of Brix,is it still being peddled?
Some microplastics can work similar way to estrogens inside a body or cause body to make more estrogen or something. But there are also many drugs that have the same effects. Birth control pills also turn frogs and fishes into hermies.

Dunno if its still being used much, but it seems that the shop that sells PGR also sells this crap. I think it was like 10 years ago or bit more when it started to be a thing and i remember it was worse in australia then than elsewhere, but you could find it in eu also and i wouldnt wonder if it was still being used by some, some smuggled weed does look like they are sprayed with something. But could be some other chemicals for example to fight rot or what ever just adding weight. You never know what some organised crime group comes up for little extra profits, they dont care if the end user dies if the profits dont go down..
 

Flowki

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Just some related context I guess.

Hemp/cana and various other plants are used in radio active areas. A bit like mushrooms, they can act like toxic waste recyclers. That's all well and good, but would you smoke or eat plants grown in Chernobyl?. I personally wouldn't, even if they said it was safe.

After Nagasaki and Hiroshima many people died to radiation poisoning and on a generational basis, children had birth defects also. There's an island that the American government dropped bombs near to test the results of radiation on the tribe there (Hitler is seriously over rated as humanity's go to definition of evil) while leading them to believe they were perfectly safe. A large portion of those people got the same forms of cancer and children where being born with mutations, some extremely horrifying (don't look it up, just trust me). This was all due to the heavy radioactive metals leaching into the life cycle via water, plants, etc.

The American government alone tested around 1200 nuclear bombs, that we know of. Many under water, many in the upper atmosphere. The Russians are said to have tested around half that but again, it's a huge and secretive country.. so only as far as we know. None the less I feel safe to say a minimum of 3000 nuclear bombs from various nations have been exploded on or above our planet, and not a very long time ago either.

Our planet is mostly a closed loop when it comes to things within the atmosphere, large volcanic eruptions send ash clouds thousands of miles down wind to other countries, rather than into space.

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The above pic is our planet in a nut shell. The 3000+ nuclear bombs worth of radiation and heavy metals didn't just disappear, nor did the radiation from various reactor meltdowns, all of it was dissipated all over the planet via the upper atmosphere/jet stream. Add this to the toxicity of plastics, pollution and other man made materials leaching into the water/soil system and I don't think we truly are aware that at some point we are all very likely to get the news ''you have cancer''. It's rally no joke, those nukes set off in the atmosphere continue to fuck the entire eco system, yet it is highly dismissed since the American government (the worlds leading power) are mostly to blame for it.

I guess the point I am trying to make is cana appears to be able to uptake a lot of toxic stuff. I would not want to feed it anything that has links to cancer. However, organic soils and supplements are FAR from automatically safe. It's not like such products shipped from all over the world/oceans come with ''radiation'' or ''heavy metal'' warning levels, who would buy. They are barely even testing that kind of thing for the most part, at least in my limited research of it. So, for context, if you want to remove PGR intake, and you should, go for it. Just be aware that switching to organics isn't guaranteed to be safe either, research the sources of your organics and find ways to test for the heavy metals. If you can't do that then stick with basic raw elemental based dry salt feeds. A lot of the unknowns are removed that way.

It's a horribly sad situation were hydroponic based raw elemental feeds are one of the few ways we can grow clean MJ and even food produce.
 

xtsho

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That crap is banned and tested for here in Oregon and can't be sold legally through dispensaries.

Some of the slimy cannabis specific nutrient companies use deceptive marketing and don't disclose that they use synthetic PGR's in their products. Another reason I'll never buy any cannabis specific nutrient brand. People are dumping crap on their plants without any idea of what's actually in it. Anyone that thinks the cannabis specific nutrient industry is about anything more than ripping people off they need to think again. Most do not list everything in their products and there are only a few states that do any actual testing and issue stop sale orders and ban the sale of those products. Oregon is one of them.





 

Tangerine_

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Some PGRs are completely natural and shouldnt be confused with synthetic PGRs like paclobutrazol

Really hate to see threads like this devolve into pissing matches...especially with a topic that needs to be at forefront with more awareness and education.

"Synthetic plant hormones and synthetic PGRs aim to either mimic hormones or interfere with pathways involved in the synthesis or breakdown of hormones in the plant. It's the PGRs that interfere with hormonal pathways that are most notorious. Big names include : Paclobutrazol, Chlormequat chloride, Daminozide, Uniconazole etc"
 

DarkWeb

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Some PGRs are completely natural and shouldnt be confused with synthetic PGRs like paclobutrazol

Really hate to see threads like this devolve into pissing matches...especially with a topic that needs to be at forefront with more awareness and education.

"Synthetic plant hormones and synthetic PGRs aim to either mimic hormones or interfere with pathways involved in the synthesis or breakdown of hormones in the plant. It's the PGRs that interfere with hormonal pathways that are most notorious. Big names include : Paclobutrazol, Chlormequat chloride, Daminozide, Uniconazole etc"
Thank you.
 

CannaOnerStar

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Some PGRs are completely natural and shouldnt be confused with synthetic PGRs like paclobutrazol

Really hate to see threads like this devolve into pissing matches...especially with a topic that needs to be at forefront with more awareness and education.

"Synthetic plant hormones and synthetic PGRs aim to either mimic hormones or interfere with pathways involved in the synthesis or breakdown of hormones in the plant. It's the PGRs that interfere with hormonal pathways that are most notorious. Big names include : Paclobutrazol, Chlormequat chloride, Daminozide, Uniconazole etc"
This!

For example some of the good stuff in kelp are these natural PGRs. hey are all over and completely fine, its the synthetic stuff is dangerous. Like usually is the case..
 

xtsho

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I've had some crazy results using PGR's in the past while experimenting. I don't use them now and never will again with cannabis. Naturally occurring PGR's in kelp and other natural substances are another thing and I do use kelp. But bottled products are nothing I will ever use on any cannabis I grow to smoke. And that Cyco garbage along with all that nasty gravity and bush crap is banned in Oregon except for ornamental plant use. It's a good thing they test for that crap with weed being sold at dispensaries. It has no place being used on consumer cannabis.

The only reason I haven't tossed this in the trash is because it can be helpful in the germination of old seeds. I'll never spray it on a cannabis plant again.

 

ilovereggae

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Some PGRs are completely natural and shouldnt be confused with synthetic PGRs like paclobutrazol

Really hate to see threads like this devolve into pissing matches...especially with a topic that needs to be at forefront with more awareness and education.

"Synthetic plant hormones and synthetic PGRs aim to either mimic hormones or interfere with pathways involved in the synthesis or breakdown of hormones in the plant. It's the PGRs that interfere with hormonal pathways that are most notorious. Big names include : Paclobutrazol, Chlormequat chloride, Daminozide, Uniconazole etc"
That is a fair statement. Isn't colloidal silver considered a PGR? I kind of remember seeing something pop up about it technically being banned for use in cannabis not sure if in CA or some other state. I guess even topping is "regulating plant growth", since the whole point is to redirect hormones to a different part of the plant. I think there is lots of things we do that are not technically natural like artificial light cycles and perfect environments 24/7.

All that aside I think we all agree the bad stuff is the synthetics that have no history of long term use in cannabis horticulture and we have no idea of their long term effects to our health and environment.
 

DarkWeb

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I've had some crazy results using PGR's in the past while experimenting. I don't use them now and never will again with cannabis. Naturally occurring PGR's in kelp and other natural substances are another thing and I do use kelp. But bottled products are nothing I will ever use on any cannabis I grow to smoke. And that Cyco garbage along with all that nasty gravity and bush crap is banned in Oregon except for ornamental plant use. It's a good thing they test for that crap with weed being sold at dispensaries. It has no place being used on consumer cannabis.

The only reason I haven't tossed this in the trash is because it can be helpful in the germination of old seeds. I'll never spray it on a cannabis plant again.

I hear that works......I have some old ones I want to pop that I have tried everything else on.
 

xtsho

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That is a fair statement. Isn't colloidal silver considered a PGR? I kind of remember seeing something pop up about it technically being banned for use in cannabis not sure if in CA or some other state. I guess even topping is "regulating plant growth", since the whole point is to redirect hormones to a different part of the plant. I think there is lots of things we do that are not technically natural like artificial light cycles and perfect environments 24/7.

All that aside I think we all agree the bad stuff is the synthetics that have no history of long term use in cannabis horticulture and we have no idea of their long term effects to our health and environment.
The thing with CS is that it's not used for promoting or inhibiting growth. It's used for making feminized seed and it's not used on smokeable cannabis. At least as far as I know.


I hear that works......I have some old ones I want to pop that I have tried everything else on.
I've used it with mixed success. I used it to germinate some really old heirloom seeds from Ft Vancouver. They were not cannabis but still old seeds. I ended up with some that sprouted and I'm still growing plants from seeds I collected from the ones that germinated. I've used it on old cannabis seeds and had minimal success but these were old dried up seeds that had been in an attic for years. I never did a side by side with and without GA3.
 

Tangerine_

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The thing with CS is that it's not used for promoting or inhibiting growth. It's used for making feminized seed and it's not used on smokeable cannabis. At least as far as I know.
I've never used CS, but from my understanding, after the seeds have been shucked, the remaining material isnt meant for consumption. I'm sure there lots of unethical growers who'd gladly process it for concentrates tho :spew:
 

DarkWeb

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The thing with CS is that it's not used for promoting or inhibiting growth. It's used for making feminized seed and it's not used on smokeable cannabis. At least as far as I know.




I've used it with mixed success. I used it to germinate some really old heirloom seeds from Ft Vancouver. They were not cannabis but still old seeds. I ended up with some that sprouted and I'm still growing plants from seeds I collected from the ones that germinated. I've used it on old cannabis seeds and had minimal success but these were old dried up seeds that had been in an attic for years. I never did a side by side with and without GA3.
I have some about 20 something year old seeds that I used to grow.....,.I would love to have some grow out so I can make more seeds. I still have a bunch but nothing gets me more than a Taproot that splits the shell. I've even given some to a friend and that's all he can get out of them also.
 

xtsho

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I've never used CS, but from my understanding, after the seeds have been shucked, the remaining material isnt meant for consumption. I'm sure there lots of unethical growers who'd gladly process it for concentrates tho :spew:
I've used it to reverse females for feminized pollen but have always tossed the plant in the trash after harvesting the pollen. I use STS for that process now and those plants get tossed as well. The plants pollinated to make seeds are perfectly fine to smoke as they were never actually sprayed just pollinated for seeds. After harvesting the seeds what's left usually goes in the dry ice hash bin.

I have some about 20 something year old seeds that I used to grow.....,.I would love to have some grow out so I can make more seeds. I still have a bunch but nothing gets me more than a Taproot that splits the shell. I've even given some to a friend and that's all he can get out of them also.
If you're getting a small tap root then maybe GA3 could help get them across the finish line. It's worth a try. You can get GA3 on amazon for $20 for 15 grams. Not much to pay if you really want to grow out some old genetics.
 

DarkWeb

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I've used it to reverse females for feminized pollen but have always tossed the plant in the trash after harvesting the pollen. I use STS for that process now and those plants get tossed as well. The plants pollinated to make seeds are perfectly fine to smoke as they were never actually sprayed just pollinated for seeds. After harvesting the seeds what's left usually goes in the dry ice hash bin.



If you're getting a small tap root then maybe GA3 could help get them across the finish line. It's worth a try. You can get GA3 on amazon for $20 for 15 grams. Not much to pay if you really want to grow out some old genetics.
Yeah it was great to see it split....but then it just never grew. I'll look into it again....it would be great if I can get it to work. It was a real good hashy strain.
 
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