Thanks bud, I appreciate it. Hey, I get both sides of this debate. I am in Canada and have a 4 plant limit. So for my 4x4 tent I went with an HLG 600 Rspec and UV bar light attachment. To me this was very over priced but I spent more because I wanted top quality gear. I could have DIY`d the lights for 1/3 the price and saved a bunch but did not want to waste any time messing around. I am lucky to be in a position to due this but many are not. I think the key is for both sides to acknowledge the positives and negatives. Will AN get you there, absolutely. Are there cheaper alternatives that will also get you there, absolutely. Are many of the products out there more marketing fluff and could be done without, hell yes. I think that blindly bashing stuff is a disservice to new growers looking for info but the flip side to that is there is so much money wasted by new growers on crap they don't need because of fancy bottles and marketing hype. Many of these companies seem to be able to convince newbies that there is some magic elixir that will create great plants when in fact there is no genie in the bottle. It's just plant food. Just look at lights as a great example. The world is very full of shitty blurple lights sold using false claims and bullshit marketing. New growers are constantly wasting their money on garbage lights due to lies by these companies like their 100 watt crap lights replace 1000w MH/HPS lights. I think the biggest thing is do your research before you buy anything and try to source your info from real growers, not light or nute companies that have a vested interest in selling you their products. Ok, that was long winded, sorry. Happy growing bud.