Public servants complicit in Capitol riots
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potroastV2
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I saw this this morning.
Retired firefighter charged with throwing fire extinguisher at officers during Capitol riots
55-year-old Robert Sanford is charged with assaulting officers in the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S. Capitol.www.cbsnews.com
There is some deep irony in that.
dandyrandy
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Franklin Graham Compares 10 Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump to Betrayal of Christ
"Shame, shame on the ten Republicans who joined with @SpeakerPelosi & the House Democrats in impeaching President Trump yesterday," evangelist Franklin Graham tweeted on Thursday.
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dandyrandy
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dandyrandy
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Exclusive: Large bitcoin payments to right-wing activists a month before Capitol riot linked to foreign account
U.S. law enforcement is investigating whether a bitcoin transfer to right-wing organizations and personalities was linked to the Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol.
xtsho
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franklin graham is a fraud. If there is a hell he'll be spending eternity there.Franklin Graham Compares 10 Republicans Who Voted to Impeach Trump to Betrayal of Christ
"Shame, shame on the ten Republicans who joined with @SpeakerPelosi & the House Democrats in impeaching President Trump yesterday," evangelist Franklin Graham tweeted on Thursday.
Fogdog
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I think the psychological term for what he's doing is called "doubling down"
Graham: "After all that he has done for our country, you would turn your back & betray him so quickly? What was done yesterday only further divides our nation."
Completely and unabashedly ignoring the facts of a disastrous four years for this country, Graham made an emotional appeal as if those ten had betrayed their father, as in: "after all he has done for you". Then from his self constructed soapbox of morality, he cast the blame for further harm on the people who are earnestly trying to hold Trump accountable for his blatant acts of sedition, attempted murder and breaking the oath that he took when he was sworn in.
NO. Trump's propagandists will NOT turn this into something that Democrats and the few Republicans who face facts, caused or manufactured. We saw it. We saw Trump manufacture a crisis, use it to gather a mob and direct it at the Capitol Building with the intent to murder his enemies and overturn an election. To top it off, the story as it unfolds from investigations and testimony from our own elected representatives is much worse than what we saw.
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Fogdog
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About doubling down, The term comes up because we are going to see a lot of that going forward:
melmagazine.com
On some level, it’s a chicken-and-egg problem. Often our worldview comes first, and the facts to support it later, if at all. If that worldview is an emotional one (and when isn’t it?), a deeply entrenched way of seeing things based on any number of factors — gender, race, socioeconomics, sexual orientation, regionalism, religion — then we’ll be hard-pressed to give it up no matter what the evidence says. And that evidence can be cherry-picked from anywhere if we find ourselves in need of a few “facts” to back it up.
“Creationists, for example, dispute the evidence for evolution in fossils and DNA because they are concerned about secular forces encroaching on religious faith,” Michael Shermer wrote at Scientific American in a piece on how to convince someone they’re wrong when facts fail. “Anti-vaxxers distrust big pharma and think that money corrupts medicine, which leads them to believe that vaccines cause autism despite the inconvenient truth that the one and only study claiming such a link was retracted and its lead author accused of fraud.”
In such instances — and Shermer cites more, like 9/11 truthers and climate change deniers — people presented with evidence that they are in fact wrong will instead focus on the doubt-introducing minutiae to keep their position afloat. Even when that “evidence” is debunked, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Shermer says this is about two psychological concepts at work: cognitive dissonance and the backfire effect. The former involves the difficulty in reconciling two opposing ideas.
The backfire effect, Shermer explains, is the weird notion where being corrected actually makes some people feel more correct in the original faulty belief. Many people, for instance, continued to believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even after the Bush Administration — which started the rumor — admitted it did not.
In this case, Trump's authoritarian followers are confronted with an undisputable fact. That a mob was assembled, agitated and directed by Trump to attack Congress on the day they were to seal the election for Biden. So, we see plenty of doubling down now. Some of their tactics are classic:
— people presented with evidence that they are in fact wrong will instead focus on the doubt-introducing minutiae to keep their position afloat. Even when that “evidence” is debunked, it makes no difference whatsoever.
The Psychology of Doubling Down
You’ve seen it before: A friend, acquaintance, coworker or random high school friend posts on social media about chemtrails or dubious science on global warming...
melmagazine.com
On some level, it’s a chicken-and-egg problem. Often our worldview comes first, and the facts to support it later, if at all. If that worldview is an emotional one (and when isn’t it?), a deeply entrenched way of seeing things based on any number of factors — gender, race, socioeconomics, sexual orientation, regionalism, religion — then we’ll be hard-pressed to give it up no matter what the evidence says. And that evidence can be cherry-picked from anywhere if we find ourselves in need of a few “facts” to back it up.
“Creationists, for example, dispute the evidence for evolution in fossils and DNA because they are concerned about secular forces encroaching on religious faith,” Michael Shermer wrote at Scientific American in a piece on how to convince someone they’re wrong when facts fail. “Anti-vaxxers distrust big pharma and think that money corrupts medicine, which leads them to believe that vaccines cause autism despite the inconvenient truth that the one and only study claiming such a link was retracted and its lead author accused of fraud.”
In such instances — and Shermer cites more, like 9/11 truthers and climate change deniers — people presented with evidence that they are in fact wrong will instead focus on the doubt-introducing minutiae to keep their position afloat. Even when that “evidence” is debunked, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Shermer says this is about two psychological concepts at work: cognitive dissonance and the backfire effect. The former involves the difficulty in reconciling two opposing ideas.
The backfire effect, Shermer explains, is the weird notion where being corrected actually makes some people feel more correct in the original faulty belief. Many people, for instance, continued to believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even after the Bush Administration — which started the rumor — admitted it did not.
In this case, Trump's authoritarian followers are confronted with an undisputable fact. That a mob was assembled, agitated and directed by Trump to attack Congress on the day they were to seal the election for Biden. So, we see plenty of doubling down now. Some of their tactics are classic:
— people presented with evidence that they are in fact wrong will instead focus on the doubt-introducing minutiae to keep their position afloat. Even when that “evidence” is debunked, it makes no difference whatsoever.
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dandyrandy
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It has to fit our picture of the world in the mind.
www.the-sun.com
Wife of Capitol siege Proud Boy wants DIVORCE and brands him a ‘radical idiot’
THE wife of a so-called ‘Proud Boy’ arrested over the Capitol riots wants to divorce him, insisting he’s a “radical idiot”. Eduard Florea, 40, from Queens, New York, who allegedly…
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hanimmal
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lmao I love this kind of stuff. It is so crazy to think about how pre-programmed responses are and how people form into nice predictable groups and that through using online tools they can be subtly sorted/nudged into one that suits their particular patterns that are easily estimable.About doubling down, The term comes up because we are going to see a lot of that going forward:
The Psychology of Doubling Down
You’ve seen it before: A friend, acquaintance, coworker or random high school friend posts on social media about chemtrails or dubious science on global warming...
On some level, it’s a chicken-and-egg problem. Often our worldview comes first, and the facts to support it later, if at all. If that worldview is an emotional one (and when isn’t it?), a deeply entrenched way of seeing things based on any number of factors — gender, race, socioeconomics, sexual orientation, regionalism, religion — then we’ll be hard-pressed to give it up no matter what the evidence says. And that evidence can be cherry-picked from anywhere if we find ourselves in need of a few “facts” to back it up.
“Creationists, for example, dispute the evidence for evolution in fossils and DNA because they are concerned about secular forces encroaching on religious faith,” Michael Shermer wrote at Scientific American in a piece on how to convince someone they’re wrong when facts fail. “Anti-vaxxers distrust big pharma and think that money corrupts medicine, which leads them to believe that vaccines cause autism despite the inconvenient truth that the one and only study claiming such a link was retracted and its lead author accused of fraud.”
In such instances — and Shermer cites more, like 9/11 truthers and climate change deniers — people presented with evidence that they are in fact wrong will instead focus on the doubt-introducing minutiae to keep their position afloat. Even when that “evidence” is debunked, it makes no difference whatsoever.
Shermer says this is about two psychological concepts at work: cognitive dissonance and the backfire effect. The former involves the difficulty in reconciling two opposing ideas.
The backfire effect, Shermer explains, is the weird notion where being corrected actually makes some people feel more correct in the original faulty belief. Many people, for instance, continued to believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction even after the Bush Administration — which started the rumor — admitted it did not.
In this case, confronted with what one cannot dispute. That a mob was assembled, agitated and directed by Trump to attack Congress on the day they were to seal the election for Biden. So, we see plenty of doubling down now. Some of their tactics are classic:
— people presented with evidence that they are in fact wrong will instead focus on the doubt-introducing minutiae to keep their position afloat. Even when that “evidence” is debunked, it makes no difference whatsoever.
It has to fit our picture of the world in the mind.
Wife of Capitol siege Proud Boy wants DIVORCE and brands him a ‘radical idiot’
THE wife of a so-called ‘Proud Boy’ arrested over the Capitol riots wants to divorce him, insisting he’s a “radical idiot”. Eduard Florea, 40, from Queens, New York, who allegedly…
xtsho
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lmao I love this kind of stuff. It is so crazy to think about how pre-programmed responses are and how people form into nice predictable groups and that through using online tools they can be subtly sorted/nudged into one that suits their particular patterns that are easily estimable.
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He needs to be put in a cell with this guy.
injinji
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There was a good segment on NPR (or maybe PBS) last night about this. What they said was if the person was a good friend or family member, just continue to tell them you love them. Don't try to talk to them about the shit they believe. And don't try to place blame on them. It just drives them further away.
She also said if they were experts, leaders or talking heads with big platforms, etc, etc, they needed to be blamed, shamed and drummed out of the public square.
As a country we need people to make reality based decisions, so in the long run it's better just to let them come back slowly. I ran off a good carpenter by trying to talk to him about his belief in this shit.
Fogdog
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There it is, isn't it? That carpenter doubled down after you talked to him. Turned down work in order to avoid contradiction. That right there is privilege. He didn't need your money, there are plenty of other jobs where he could rant with them about Democrats and communism.
Speaking of economic statuts and privilege.
This home and neighborhood in New York isn't exactly strapped for cash:
That man doesn't look as if he has missed a meal in a long time.
Speaking of which, most of the people arrested seem to be fairly well off. Many are retired, many have plenty of time on their hands, others were arrested at their homes, which seemed pretty nice, not a basement. It would appear that economic hardship or anxiety can be ruled out as the cause of this insurrection.
V256.420
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Seems like nothing has changed the last 30 years I'm gone.
That's my old neighborhood. Juniper park is still beautiful. Very middle class. Irish, German and Italian immigrants. Very racist.
Seems like nothing has changed the last 30 years I'm gone.
injinji
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During the chaos at the Capitol, overwhelmed police officers confronted and combated a frenzied sea of rioters who transformed the seat of democracy into a battlefield. Now police chiefs across the country are confronting the uncomfortable reality that members of their own ranks were among the mob that faced off against other law enforcement officers.
At least 13 off-duty law enforcement officials are suspected of taking part in the riot, a tally that could grow as investigators continue to pore over footage and records to identify participants. Police leaders are turning in their own to the FBI and taking the striking step of reminding officers in their departments that criminal misconduct could push them off the force and behind bars.
At least 13 off-duty law enforcement officials are suspected of taking part in the riot, a tally that could grow as investigators continue to pore over footage and records to identify participants. Police leaders are turning in their own to the FBI and taking the striking step of reminding officers in their departments that criminal misconduct could push them off the force and behind bars.
dandyrandy
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A bit late for a retraction american stinker...
www.americanthinker.com
Retraction
We received a lengthy letter from Dominion's defamation lawyers explaining why they believe that their client has been the victim of defamatory statements. Having considered the full import of the letter, we have agreed to their reques...
dandyrandy
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And they stuck it in a blog section while loving on drumpf on the other pages.
hanimmal
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What a crock of shit. I hope they are sued into the dust.
dandyrandy
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