Aerocloners unite!!!

[Return of the Spork]

So you just sterilize it with the light every so often or the light stays in there?

 

[grandpabear3]

wow ya the 190 is a Heap of nothing really.. haha it just spudders out the bottom and its actually only a 160. i bought 3 kinds of misters.. blue 360 red 360 and the some yellow onse with black heads.. i tried them all out the blue and red onse seems to be about the same the yellow onse just shoot straight up and mist i only got 4 misters and its in a 40 litre tub. not too big.. mist is more like shooting water dropplets kinda.
i hope it works out.. seems to be enough water flowing..

my question is what kind of timer do i put it on.. i got 1 digital timer that can do 24 timers on and off for 1 day.. and i got a cheapo one where you insert those little nobs so like 4 times a day..

what should i have the cycle on ill probably use the digital one.. 10 mins each hour or what???

oh and now my tub leaks all over heh so you need to tape it closed too or what??

any timer.....the cheap mechanical ones are great. 15 on 30 off is what works for me but like i said i wanna change stuff a lil. as for the leaking .....build it out of a rubbermaid ruffneck and it will never leak. or reinvent the wheel and teach us all something.

Bugs,

I have been following your thread (apparently you are the Baron).

all of that is in good fun buddy but thank you very much

I have been hoping to learn something since the only way I get the clones I need is to take a lot of them so I can absorb big losses.

well your asking me at the right time buddy i can tell ya that. but i will say that i take 30 at a time and dont select over 30 more that go to waste. and when mine root i get 13 -20 out of 30 but that number is on the rise.

Does it not seem that some people like yourself do everything right and get less than perfect results while others seem to do almost nothing and get roots fast every time?

you just became my new favorite person. and yes. you have no idea (well maybe you do) how maddening it is for me.

I am thinking that the lousy results are often from some sort of pathogen that slows rooting or kills clones.

well in my case ive never had a pathogen problem in the cloner....at least i dont remember haveing one. but heck ya that could kill em quick

Could it be that some peoples homes have spores that hurt clones while others do not?

well it is possible but with environmental controls you would eliminate most if not all of those issues. small ozone generators are nice.

Just like bread will mold faster in some places than others even if they both seem equally clean.

i hear ya

One time I helped a friend take a bunch of clones.

well that was very nice of you. i cant even pay my wife to help me.

It was just a tub of water with an air stone and a light. He got like 80% while I was getting less than 30% with the same set up at my place.

ok now this one is easy........ready?..........he sold his soul to satan and will burn in eternal hellfire but in the meantime he'll get roots. it's a catch 22

Yesterday I got one of those Sunleaves UV Water Sterilizer in the mail.

those are nice....i was considering one for my main res's lemme know how that works for you.

I dropped it in my bubble cloner after changing the water and rinsing off the white goo from the stems of my clones.

i tell ya on that goo, heat in your res is most likely the culprit but not always...ask sparkafire and watch out for the answers...he's still tender. but h2o2 at 35% strength added at 1.7 ml/l of water every 2 days. will keep it perfect almost despite you.....almost. but if your water fizzes when you put it in, you need more. the pathogens are getting eaten by the h2o2 and thereby useing it up. downside is you cant run organic with h2o2, but i never get the goo or anything else and i use it in ecactly this fashion. hope this all helps bud

What do you think of my idea of why we fail?

i think that when people like you and i get things right ....in any thing in life.....we have it on lock and will be invaluable members of the growing community.

What do you think of the UV Sterilizer?
I will post here in a few days to let you know how my experiment is going.

i love the uv sterilizer keep us posted.

 

[grandpabear3]

So you just sterilize it with the light every so often or the light stays in there?

see, if i were you or sparky i would exploit this opportunity to pick on you. but i'm awesome



tehehehehe........

 

[Return of the Spork]

Just not familiar with uv water sterilizers, didn't know if they were a tool to sterilize an area, or if they were a permanent/waterproof fixture. If they work well I am sticking one in each of my Reservoirs lol.

 

[grandpabear3]

hell, me too

 

[marchold]

So you just sterilize it with the light every so often or the light stays in there?

No it it a submersible device. It is basically a hard plastic outer case. Inside the case is a UV bulb that is inside a quartz glass tube. The one by Sunleaves uses an air pump to create a slow flow of water inside it. So the water is consistently passing through the chamber and being sterilized.

The sunleaves one which I purchased here: Sunleaves Cleanwater UV Sterilizer - Worm's Way
This unit is much bigger than I thought. Searching the web I found this one JBJ 5W Submariner UV Sterilizer/Clarifier
which might be a better fit for a cloner.

I took a small batch of clones 6 days ago. 2 days back I had a small amount of white stuff, yesterday my clones were covered with the white stuff. When I rinsed the stuff off, replaced the water, and put the sterilized in my bubble cloner. So far I have no roots. This experiment will if nothing else determine if the white stuff can be controlled this way. Maybe I will get 100% this time and declare some sort of victory.

 

[grandpabear3]

we are all rooting for you......lol, i kill me

 

[marchold]

ok now this one is easy........ready?..........he sold his soul to satan and will burn in eternal hellfire but in the meantime he'll get roots. it's a catch 22

Well maybe, but the rest of his story is not so lucky. It did start off good. He got some Haze+NL5 clones and the smoke was STRONG. So strong that he got super lazy. He got so lazy that he quit going to the store to buy toilet paper. He started using news paper to wipe his ass. This damaged the pluming which got the attention of the landlord. When the landlord came to check it out he herd some water running, it was the hydro system! The landlord called the cops. It was a real bummer.

 

[grandpabear3]

well i hate to say it but you never know when its time for the devil to collect. he got a shitty deal. hope tyrones treating him good. i love you but stupid people belong in jail.

 

[Styl!st07]

Well maybe, but the rest of his story is not so lucky. It did start off good. He got some Haze+NL5 clones and the smoke was STRONG. So strong that he got super lazy. He got so lazy that he quit going to the store to buy toilet paper. He started using news paper to wipe his ass. This damaged the pluming which got the attention of the landlord. When the landlord came to check it out he herd some water running, it was the hydro system! The landlord called the cops. It was a real bummer.

WOW what a . LMAO

This guy belong in jail, not wipping his ass while in jail might just work in his favor to keep Bubba off of his ass while taking a shower.

Dont drop the soap buddy, kiss-ass

Sorry i had to say sum thing, i know im not perfect, im lazy a hell, but that was retarded for him to get busted that way,

Who flushes NEW PAPER down the toliet?????????

- Styl!st

 

[marchold]

well he did not go to Jail. He had 1 year probation and a $50k bill from the attorney.

Back to the clone topic, It seems the UV light is keeping th white stuff from growing, unfortunately we wont know much until my next batch of clones because my air stone broke. I will keep updating as I have more experiments with the UV sterilizer & clones.

 

[grandpabear3]

how much was your uv doohickey?

 

[Return of the Spork]

Hey Styl!st07, any word on roots for you? I ended up pulling mine and redoing another batch with diff misters and pump, on day 3 right now. Had a puck get misted right out of the top and sprayed all over shit for a while, must not have happened too long ago need to make sure they are all secured down better I guess. Thankfully the spray was outward and not inward so the rest didn't get covered with water.

I was just wondering because it should be near 2 weeks now.

 

[directional]

how much was your uv doohickey?

They are about $50-150 as far as I know.. They are used for fish tanks to control bacteria. You can get one at almost any local aquarium store.

Here is a link to Dr Fosters.. I hope this helps!

Aquarium UV Sterilizers: Control Algae, Parasites, & Bacterial Diseases​

 

[marchold]

how much was your uv doohickey?

$75 is what I spent on the sunleaves one, but I think it is too big for an cloner unless it was huge. I have another one coming in the mail which is much smaller, it cost me $60. They sell one that is plumed externally that sells for $120, that one would sit outside the cloner on the side. That one would not get in the way.

I need to get a camera so I can take photos.

1 Question for you Bugs, I wanted to build a copy of what you have. Where did you get your pump and spray nozzles. Is there some how-to web page describing how to build the cloner you have? I am not sure how much $ I will need. It seems the pumps are expencive like $100 so maybe it is not that much of a money savings over byuing a pre made clone machine? I dont know. Do you have a pointer for me?

 

[grandpabear3]

They are about $50-150 as far as I know.. They are used for fish tanks to control bacteria. You can get one at almost any local aquarium store.​

Here is a link to Dr Fosters.. I hope this helps!​

Aquarium UV Sterilizers: Control Algae, Parasites, & Bacterial Diseases​

thanks for the link and plus rep to you for the info

$75 is what I spent on the sunleaves one, but I think it is too big for an cloner unless it was huge. I have another one coming in the mail which is much smaller, it cost me $60. They sell one that is plumed externally that sells for $120, that one would sit outside the cloner on the side. That one would not get in the way.

cool and right on.

I need to get a camera so I can take photos.

ummmmmmm uhhhhh yaaaaaaaa

1 Question for you Bugs,

i got answers...lets hope they match

I wanted to build a copy of what you have.

copy cat....

Where did you get your pump and spray nozzles.

my pump is an aco 396gpg for 25 bucks all day any hydro shop or online. and the nozzles can be rainbird 360's from home depot or red heads from the eazycloner from hydro shop or online. and ten were 3 bucks at hd and 6 or 7 at hydro shop.

Is there some how-to web page describing how to build the cloner you have?

yep there sure is and its on this site i just gotta find it first....hehehehe....but i can tell you how. let me put it together then i'll post it on here.

I am not sure how much $ I will need.

about 60 bucks total

It seems the pumps are expencive like $100 so maybe it is not that much of a money savings over byuing a pre made clone machine? I dont know. Do you have a pointer for me?

no pumps you need are 100 so dont worry. always diy if you can. always cheaper

 

[Styl!st07]

Hey Styl!st07, any word on roots for you?

No roots Spork,

U going to say waht a dumb ass, but i pulled them and recut them and put them in RW and had no luck the shervied up and died. Oh well, im going to pull sum more here really soon and they are going to be BIG. They a bout 5mm thick stems and going to use the RW mehtod and the aero cloner method to see howw roots faster.

When i cut my last clones i did not flush my plant and had just feed them and i think thats way i had no roots , bumps, or any kind of signs of get roots. I have flushed my plant for the last week know and going to start over with the clone.

I ended up pulling mine and redoing another batch with diff misters and pump, on day 3 right now. Had a puck get misted right out of the top and sprayed all over shit for a while, must not have happened too long ago need to make sure they are all secured down better I guess. Thankfully the spray was outward and not inward so the rest didn't get covered with water.

That sucks bro, but im sure u will get it. I red a few more threads, includeing Stinkbuds, and he is useing a cycle timer set to 1min ON and 5min OFF and he has 100% sucess rate while giveing the time to dry out. I dont have a $100 buck right now to spend on a timer for my cloner at this time. Thats way im have to try the RW method and maybe i will have sum luck.

When i use my cloner i run it 24/7 and had no luck, but i so had no patiences either, they look great in the cloner but had nothing going on under it. Mybe this time will just cut and leave them be for 2 hole weeks and not to fuck wit it.................

Well i hope u have better luck ehit ur babies ,as im not, and get roots here soon. Let me know what are ur tricks and what in ur rez water and how u are running ur pump.

What does the water temp need to be at?

I here allot of ppl saying differant things, sum say warm up to 80deg, and sum say cool 68deg, what r u useing warm or cool?

-Styl!st

 

[Return of the Spork]

My air seems to stay around 77F, and my water seems to go from 75f to 80f. If I could keep it at 75F I would be better off I think. Supposedly roots will come faster to warmer temps, however the warmer it is the more pathogens grow, so 75 seems to be the best bang for the buck if you can manage it. My temps are all I can manage atm. So hope the h2o2 dosing takes care of most of it.

If this doesn't work I am going to try the rapid rooters.Good news is that the one I put into flower is doing very nicely so I have that still to look forward to lol.

 

[Styl!st07]

If this doesn't work I am going to try the rapid rooters.

hered allot of good things about the RR, i plan on getting me sum for myself

Good news is that the one I put into flower is doing very nicely so I have that still to look forward to lol.[/quote]

Good luck bro, ill will be around checking in and out

- Styl!st

 

[marchold]

hered allot of good things about the RR, i plan on getting me sum for myself

I have been experimenting the rapid rooter plugs myself. Success is on the better end with those. This weekend I tried cutting a hole in my bubble cloner and stuffing a RR plug in it. So far so good.

I was thinking about why aerocloners work better than other methods? One thing I have been trying to understand is why clones in aerocloners do not need a humidity tent. If I put some clones in coco or RR plugs I need a humidity tent but in the same grow box I can but some clones in a bubbler and they do not need anything to keep them from wilting. So I have a few ideas and was curious what you guys thought:
1) There is a small amount of humidity that escapes an aerocloner that mists the cuttings.
2) The stems in an areocloner are able to absorb enough water to support the plant.
3) Something about it makes the plant transpire less.
opinions? 1,2 or 3? Some other reason?

Also an update on the UV Sterilizer. I lost 3 out of 7 clones, (week 2) but I think I damaged those putting the UV thing in the coner. The white stuff is still there but seems to decreasing. Since the white stuff was expanding rapidly before putting the UV dohicky in I would have to guess it is working to control it.

I also was considering putting a carbon filter in the cloner. It seem like they sell litttle ones for fish tanks that are powered by a air pump. I guess carbon filters pull organic stuff out.

When I clean out my bubble cloner and start over next time I think I will use the UV sterilizer, Carbon filter, and a water heater, Maybe by purifying the watter I will be able to run the thing hotter and get roots quicker?