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VincenzioVonHook

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Is there a reason everyone starts their seeds in next to no dirt? Pretty much every seedling I see here is reaching for the skies, skinny and horrid...and the one thing in common every time is a pathetic amount of soil. Like, my plants have taproots three times as deep as the pots you provide within two weeks....I'm not joking. How do you expect a plant to grow with no space for roots?

Is it just a coincidence that all my seedlings are onto the third set of leaves and only an inch tall after 6 days from popping their head out, every time when planted in a respectable amount of medium?

This is what I'm used to seeing every time, no fail...no stretch, no twist nothing...just plant straight into a 3 or 4 gallon pot and let it grow. I think the results speak for themselves. Under an 85w light, 18" height. $4 potting mix, no nutes, only watered once in six days. No work whatsoever.
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I seriously think I'm onto something...I've never transplanted a plant...and always had nice plants. I think you guys need to put your plants in an actually sustainable amount of medium instead of these pathetic amounts of you guys start in, and then wonder why your plants look like death reincarnate.

It shouldn't be this hard to grow a plant lol. Anyone that gets upset about this, be real...there's not even two or three inches of dirt in lost of those pics. May as well throw a seed on the floor and expect it to grow.
 

green_machine_two9er

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Is there a reason everyone starts their seeds in next to no dirt? Pretty much every seedling I see here is reaching for the skies, skinny and horrid...and the one thing in common every time is a pathetic amount of soil. Like, my plants have taproots three times as deep as the pots you provide within two weeks....I'm not joking. How do you expect a plant to grow with no space for roots?

Is it just a coincidence that all my seedlings are onto the third set of leaves and only an inch tall after 6 days from popping their head out, every time when planted in a respectable amount of medium?

This is what I'm used to seeing every time, no fail...no stretch, no twist nothing...just plant straight into a 3 or 4 gallon pot and let it grow. I think the results speak for themselves. Under an 85w light, 18" height. $4 potting mix, no nutes, only watered once in six days. No work whatsoever.
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I seriously think I'm onto something...I've never transplanted a plant...and always had nice plants. I think you guys need to put your plants in an actually sustainable amount of medium instead of these pathetic amounts of you guys start in, and then wonder why your plants look like death reincarnate.

It shouldn't be this hard to grow a plant lol.
Seed stretch is due to lack of light. Not lack of soil. Uppotting helps thing move along faster. Roots will spread out Snd find their “edge” before the plant starts growing. I’ve done side by sides and up potting a few times befor final home does grow bigger plants quicker.
 

smokemachine27

New Member
Is there a reason everyone starts their seeds in next to no dirt? Pretty much every seedling I see here is reaching for the skies, skinny and horrid...and the one thing in common every time is a pathetic amount of soil. Like, my plants have taproots three times as deep as the pots you provide within two weeks....I'm not joking. How do you expect a plant to grow with no space for roots?

Is it just a coincidence that all my seedlings are onto the third set of leaves and only an inch tall after 6 days from popping their head out, every time when planted in a respectable amount of medium?

This is what I'm used to seeing every time, no fail...no stretch, no twist nothing...just plant straight into a 3 or 4 gallon pot and let it grow. I think the results speak for themselves. Under an 85w light, 18" height. $4 potting mix, no nutes, only watered once in six days. No work whatsoever.
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I seriously think I'm onto something...I've never transplanted a plant...and always had nice plants. I think you guys need to put your plants in an actually sustainable amount of medium instead of these pathetic amounts of you guys start in, and then wonder why your plants look like death reincarnate.

It shouldn't be this hard to grow a plant lol. Anyone that gets upset about this, be real...there's not even two or three inches of dirt in lost of those pics. May as well throw a seed on the floor and expect it to grow.
That's sounds really interesting bro. So you say put your seed straight into the only pot your plant will live .... I gotta try that on one seed for sure thank you a lot for you share
 

VincenzioVonHook

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That's sounds really interesting bro. So you say put your seed straight into the only pot your plant will live .... I gotta try that on one seed for sure thank you a lot for you share
A good way to put it, is even with 20l pots (300mm deep, I normally have roots coming out the bottom within 15 days. Most seedlings I see here at 15 days are in a few inches of soil, and their growth represents the lack of medium.

For smaller autos I throw them straight into 2-3 gallon pots (300x270), and for photos i usually start in 250x200 (8L) and move to a 20l pot at 4 weeks.
 

VincenzioVonHook

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Seed stretch is due to lack of light. Not lack of soil. Uppotting helps thing move along faster. Roots will spread out Snd find their “edge” before the plant starts growing. I’ve done side by sides and up potting a few times befor final home does grow bigger plants quicker.
There's no denying that light or lack of Is the biggest causes of stretch.


I've found the opposite in most of my grows when it comes to repotting, but I have never used proper medium and amended soils, and consider myself an amateur. Over the last season outdoors, all the plants that were started in seeding cubes (4 in total), transplanted into 8l pots, and then 20l pots ended up with yields around 150g. The three that went straight into 14" square planters ended up pulling over 250g, but this was probably due to terrible repotting on my behalf.

It's probably due to my bad management, but I always seem to over or under water plants in smaller pots, and always end up with far better results growing in a large pot. I've always been taught that the most critical part of a plants rooting is the digging of the taproot. The deeper and less hindered the initial two to three weeks of growth the better, but I could be wrong.

I had a plant dig a tap out the bottom of a 400mm pot in 20 days, and that signifies something to my feeble mind. If it takes medium and uses it, I figured it's worth it.
 

volcanoOFhistory

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So i have a fan now, i put on some NPK nutrients and this is my homemade setup so far.
i got some new seed starting too
the older plant as almost 10 weeks old and still no signs of flowering
i know everything is a bit insufficient in my setup still what u think of my plants?
are they gonna flower ?View attachment 4868065View attachment 4868067
Are you planning on putting those outside? If you're planning on trying to flower them indoors under that little l
 

smokemachine27

New Member
Are you planning on putting those outside? If you're planning on trying to flower them indoors under that little l
I have a space outside I'm still considering how many I'm gonna move outside and when, but I will have 3/4 plants tops indoor and the rest outside cuz I have a nice space with some good sunlight. Here are some pictures of my outdoors
 

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curious2garden

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So i put my plants outdoor... this is how they are now....do u think i will get something from this in a few months??
Did you change from that soil you were using? They still look a little hungry but not terribly so. Your initial soil only had 35mS/M EC and our EC meters in microSiemens/CM here I copied this in from the web.

"Electrical conductivity or "EC" is a measure of the “total salts” concentration in the nutrient solution (drip, slab or drain). It is expressed in milliSiemens per linear centimeter (mS/cm) or microSiemens per linear centimeter (mS/cm) where 1 mS = 1,000 mS. "

You don't want me doing math at the butt crack of dawn so let's use a handy internet calculator here:

Voila depending on your meters units of conversion (500 or 700) you have: 175 to 245 PPM which is a good seedling mix.

So be ready with some liquid nutrients for them and possibly a little extra Ca and Mg for flower since that's going to need some supplementation. If you're in something different post it. Anyway good job on that, keep it up. I'd like to see how they finish and welcome to RIU
 
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