Chauvin Trial

[CCGNZ]

Shades of green...different views on limiting N during flower. You know, to keep it weed oriented yuk yuk yuk.

GOTCHA man, some times I also ask myself IS THIS A WEED FORUM I'M ON? LOLccguns

 

[schuylaar]

Yeah a little empathy goes a long way. It's not like the police have high rates of suicide and alcoholism and domestic abuse from all those wonderful days on the job. And it's no excuse, so we still hang all the Chauvin's out there just the same, because it's too late at that point. Being a cop is not so different from being in the military where you know that immersing people in hardcore negativity is going to yield some negative side effects. To deny it is to bury our heads in the sand, but of course we naturally want to do that because it's easier than empathizing with someone we despise.

And that leads us to the really *really* effing hard part, because these people who commit these atrocities, these people that are literally murderers, are to some degree victims as well. I know, that shit hurts to say, especially when you think about Floyd's murder, but it's true. And maybe if we put half the effort into helping the police maintain their mental health, as we do into demonizing them, maybe we'd have a lot fewer Floyd's out there with a fucked up cop committing murder in plain sight thinking it's all good.

they go home to a family; wife and little kids get to deal with.

Chauvins wife immediately filed for divorce when this happened..have you wondered why she didn't stand by her man?

 

[schuylaar]

Shades of green...different views on limiting N during flower. You know, to keep it weed oriented yuk yuk yuk.

i happen to like them very green in veg but flower? meh. that's just schwag at that point.

 

[mooray]

they go home to a family; wife and little kids get to deal with.

Chauvins wife immediately filed for divorce when this happened..have you wondered why she didn't stand by her man?

It's because he's turned into a piece of shit. Wanting to help prevent the police from turning into pieces of shit has nothing to do with acknowledging the reality of when they do become pieces of shit. No matter how binary we want to be and simply take sides, reality is almost always far more complex than that. This thing we do where we ignore the path to becoming a piece of shit, whether it's a white supremacist or a gnarly teardrop gangsta, because it's easier to demonize and dismiss them as defective and never put in the work to prevent it beforehand, will literally never help anything. Are you hip to the soft white underbelly channel on youtube?

 

[CCGNZ]

There have been so many police stops turn fatal that there should be a workshop giving advice on what to do, I can't believe how basic common sense has been lost by so many americans. Like buckling up simply take your licence and your registration and wedge them into your speedometer/guage display right in front of steering wheel. When police approach put both hands on the steering wheel.they ask for paperwork its right near your hands on wheel no reaching for glove box or pockets for wallet or searching through purse required.they see your hands at all times plus you did'nt stress them out. They go back to cruiser check status of paperwork,run a warrant check, then come back hand you your shit and your off.WHAT'S THE BIG DEAL ccguns

 

[mooray]

It's two-fold though. Yes, many people don't do themselves any favors, but doing something weird like going to grab your phone at a bad time shouldn't get you killed. There needs to be more room for people to error(i.e. be people), without such a high price to pay for it.

 

[CCGNZ]

It's two-fold though. Yes, many people don't do themselves any favors, but doing something weird like going to grab your phone at a bad time shouldn't get you killed. There needs to be more room for people to error(i.e. be people), without such a high price to pay for it.

Hear that, but why leave it to chance,guarantee your safety,don't even plant a seed that might have a stressed out individual w/ a gun draw down on you, your right but it's the same as crossing street w/a stop sign. Do I just cross w/blinders on cause there is a stop sign NO, I look even though I have right of way. I get run over it's the motorists fault but it's me in the hospital. It's kind of the same in a traff. stop They shoot you reaching for your phone, yeah it's their fault but who eats the bullet. So why even entertain the chance.ccguns

 

[Star Dog]

Someone reaching for something unexpectedly and a wet behind the ears cop shoots them can be forgiven, it's human to error and a case could be made.

But in this particular instance it shows a callous/sadistic side to that cop, he wasn't doing that for anything other than his big ego.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

A persuasive jury foreman can well be the deciding factor

 

[CCGNZ]

Someone reaching for something unexpectedly and a wet behind the ears cop shoots them can be forgiven, it's human to error and a case could be made.

But in this particular instance it shows a callous/sadistic side to that cop, he wasn't doing that for anything other than his big ego.

Absolutely Chauvin is a sick puppy, and I sure hope the jury nails him w/charges, at this point seeing more rioting,burning businesses in Minneapolis is the last thing this country needs at this point.Any acquital of Chauvin will cause a eruption of violence that just might be unprecedented.ccguns

 

[mooray]

Absolutely Chauvin is a sick puppy, and I sure hope the jury nails him w/charges, at this point seeing more rioting,burning businesses in Minneapolis is the last thing this country needs at this point.Any acquital of Chauvin will cause a eruption of violence that just might be unprecedented.ccguns

He's unquestionably guilty of something, that 2nd degree manslaughter charge at the minimum. Unfortunately, people with ulterior motive is going to be a growing problem as we continue to polarize.

 

[CCGNZ]

He's unquestionably guilty of something, that 2nd degree manslaughter charge at the minimum. Unfortunately, people with ulterior motive is going to be a growing problem as we continue to polarize.

I've taken a peak at the makeup of the jury and I think justice will be served,sure could be wrong though,no crystal ball here, just hoping the right thing happens cause we all no the consequences involved w/this.ccguns

 

[mooray]

He restrained a man using legal and state approved techniques (judged as safe by the government), who then overdosed as confirmed by two separate autopsies. What did he do wrong again?

Just following up here to see if you want to concede your statement, or double down and claim that you're more familiar with their techniques and policies than a Minneapolis police lieutenant that's been working the job for decades?

Lt. Richard Zimmerman, the Minneapolis Police Department's most senior officer in terms of years served, testified Friday about the training officers receive.
Zimmerman said he was never trained to kneel on the neck of a suspect who is prone, meaning lying flat.
"That would be the top level of force," he said.

Zimmerman said he has been trained in the prone position since 1985.
"Once a person is in handcuffed, you need to get them out of the prone position as soon as possible because it restricts their breathing," said Zimmerman. "If you're laying on your chest, that's constricting them (breathing muscles) even more."
He noted that Minneapolis police officers are trained to abide by the use of force continuum, which involves evaluating and changing the level of force used on a person depending on the threat they face. When a person is in handcuffs, "the threat level goes down all the way," Zimmerman said.

 

[Fogdog]

It's absolutely insane that people in that position w/power to make life/death or life altering decisions are not drug tested but it's a fact, and police unions are some of the strongest unions in the US ,and are take a 100% stance against drug testing.ccguns

Heres the deal on good cop/ bad cop. When your out there trying to make a diff. and keep your nose clean and go home safe to your loved ones you will inevitably see things other cops do that doesn't sit right with your standards or morals. To openly confront is a monumentous decision that will certainly throw your life into disarray on top of the fact that if you go to superiors it is in no way guaranteed to go your way. Even just the mere decision to turn your back and not go along saying I don't want any part of or disagree with or whatever will have you ostrasized. Imagine being known as a totally clean straight shooter in the midst of a few guys who don't exactly fly straight you get a scary situation where you need backup pronto,how fast are those guys going to get there,your life is on the line and there not exactly breaking records to assist you,and they even will say that to someone on an island. THINK SERPICO, maybe not as pronounced but you get the idea. This is how it works behind closed doors.ccguns

completely with you on this. It's basically gang mentality. There is a code of silence and breaking that code is considered by some worse than murdering civilians. Chauvin's supervisor "retired" somewhat hastily didn't he? I don't think he'd be safe going back after the testimony he gave this week.

We have a problem with fascist cops in police forces and they make life hell for more than just civilians. In some ways, the best thing we can do for the good cops on the force is to reduce their workload by shifting it to others and reducing the number of armed officers who will still be needed to handle situations where their skills are needed. The union would fight that tooth and nail.

It's not as if I'm just making it up or that it's even a new idea. This from 2016:

Dallas Police Chief ‘We’re Asking Cops To Do Too Much In This Country’
“We’re asking cops to do too much in this country” said Brown.

“Every societal failure, we put it off on the cops to solve” said Brown. He listed mental health, drug addiction, loose dogs, failing schools as problems the public expects ‘cops to solve.’

“Seventy percent of the African American community is being raised by single women, let’s give it to the cops to solve that as well” said Brown. “Policing was never meant to solve all those problems.”

“I just ask for other parts of our democracy along with the free press to help us,” Brown continued. “To help us and not put that burden all on law enforcement.”

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[rkymtnman]

It's not very complicated at all

not at all.
Serpico was based on reality. many Cops are dirty and protect their own. true story. part of the "brotherhood"

 

[Moabfighter]

Been watching the trial. Chauvin is guilty. His supervisor said he held it too long. After dude was in cuffs, he was supposed to be turned to his side, then sat up. That never happened while waiting on EMS. Floyd wasn’t kicking nor presenting active threat after being cuffed on his chest. Plain as day murder IMO.

 

[rkymtnman]

anybody see this video? this infuriates me. just resigns: no punishment.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article250336896.html

 

[hanimmal]

I like the idea of taking police away from having to deal with non-violent situations.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandler/2020/07/14/berkeley-may-become-1st-us-city-to-remove-police-from-traffic-stops/?sh=1f04994e70fa

KEY FACTS

The proposal directs the city to create a Department of Transportation to oversee traffic enforcement and transportation planning for the next fiscal year, and will launch a community outreach project gathering data and expert opinion on how to enact the idea.

Routine traffic stops would be carried out by unarmed civil servants within the new department instead of an armed police officer, but the details of how enforcement would work still need to be determined.

Supporters argue that nonviolent minor traffic violations don’t warrant an armed response and can escalate into violent encounters that disproportionately affect Black motorists, who are more likely than white drivers to be pulled over in the first place, according to the Stanford Open Policing Project.

Councilman Rigel Robinson, who introduced the proposal, points out that the deaths of Philando Castile, Maurice Gordon and Sandra Bland all started with a routine traffic stop.

According to FBI data, the majority of routine traffic stops aren’t dangerous for police officers: in 2019, six officers were killed in the line of duty conducting traffic stops, while two officers were assaulted during traffic stops in 2018. (The FBI has not released assault data for 2019 yet).

Funding for the new department has not yet been ironed out, including whether money could be reallocated from the police budget for it, but the proposal notes the new department will have “significant upfront costs” but could save money in the long term.

Darrell Owens, the co-executive of housing and transit non-profit East Bay for Everyone, first pitched the idea to the Berkeley City Council along with volunteer group Walk Bike Berkeley, and told Forbes he and other advocates hope the initiative will also propel other structural changes addressing the root causes of traffic violations and fatalities, such as making it easier for people ditch cars in the first place by supporting public transit, bike lanes and pedestrian ability.

The proposal was adopted as part of an omnibus bill with other measures surrounding policing, including a proposal to audit police calls and the creation of a Specialized Care Unit that would send crisis care workers to deal with non-criminal calls about homelessness and mental health.

CRUCIAL QUOTE

“This isn’t about letting people off the hook and speed. It’s not about letting violent criminals and drunk drivers who drive around get away with it,” Owens said. “It’s about reserving the police department for instances of violent crime, which is what they’re trained to do. As opposed to what they currently do, which is every type of enforcement there is.”

BIG NUMBER

6.5, that’s how many times Black drivers are more likely than white drivers to get pulled over in Berkeley, according to a 2018 report from the Center For Policing Equity.

CHIEF CRITICS

The Berkeley Police Department declined to comment for this story, but Sgt. Ray Kelly, a spokesman for the Alameda County Sheriff’s Office, told the San Francisco Chronicle the idea may be too costly for a smaller city like Berkeley.

“From a management perspective and budget perspective, it doesn’t make sense unless you’re a major metropolitan city,” he said. “Why create more bureaucracy when traffic can be done very professionally, with a slight learning curve, with city police departments?”

The police unions for the Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Jose departments said in a joint statement that “nothing good” would come of the proposal.

“We do not believe that the public wants lax enforcement of those incidents by non-sworn individuals. Traffic stops are some of the most dangerous actions police officers take. What happens when the felon with an illegal gun gets pulled over by the parking police?” the statement said. “Nothing good, we’re sure of that.”

SURPRISING FACT

Though Berkeley would be the first U.S. city to adopt such a proposal, criminologists have been debating the idea for years, and the majority of police officers in the U.K, Iceland and Norway already conduct most police duties unarmed.

KEY BACKGROUND

Activists in the wake of nationwide protests against police brutality have called for “defunding the police,” an idea aiming to limit the number of interactions between officers and civilians by cutting police budgets and stripping departments of responsibilities better served, supporters say, by unarmed personnel. Major cities, including Minneapolis where Floyd was killed, have already talked about implementing some form of the idea. Berkeley approved a measure last week cutting $9.2 million for the police department, which amounts to about 12% of the department’s budget—though activists had been pushing for a 50% reduction this year.

 

[RioBlazeLotaMota]

Fuck the cops, defund them

Well said also!!!

 

[RioBlazeLotaMota]

It's absolutely insane that people in that position w/power to make life/death or life altering decisions are not drug tested but it's a fact, and police unions are some of the strongest unions in the US ,and are take a 100% stance against drug testing.ccguns

Any human entrusted with a weapon that can seriously injure or destroy said human or others should be first in line holding piss bottles and being CAREFULLY watched while filling bottle.