I need help, I'm debating if I wanna quit growing, I keep getting hermi issues

[xtsho]

thats why i try to stick to US based breeders. In house is prolly my best bet from now on or places like green house. I have some chemical bride veggin right now but im scared the same thing is gonna happen again as it did with the lemon og. god damn weed companies giving me trust issues lol

What are you feeding?


I've bought and grown seeds from European outfits for years and have never had anything hermie that wasn't a true landrace. I've grown all kinds of freebies from Seedman and Sensible seeds. Not a single hermie.

All these hermie issues people are having is more than likely caused by something the grower is doing. But everyone is quick to blame the seeds. It's an easy scapegoat.

I am of the opinion that much of it is caused by what people are feeding their plants. Many of the ingredients and additives used that are cannabis specific contain naturally occurring PGR's. Kelp for example has naturally occurring PGR's such as gibberellins, cytonkins, auxins. Add those with whatever unlisted ingredients are in some of these cannabis snake oil products, amino acids, and other stuff and who the hell knows what the fuck is going on and how the combinations are affecting the plant.

There has been very little scientific studies on the use of these and their effect on cannabis. It's been more like "Let's put it in". Then some cannabis grower buys in to all the marketing bullshit and has to have whatever flavor of the day product it is because they heard through the broscience grapevine they need it for their plants to get the biggest buds possible. In chemistry you know not to mix this with that because you'll get reaction X. With cannabis specific nutrients it's become mixes of this and that without any studies to determine how the ingredients react.

I'm not buying all these bad seeds causing all the hermies that have been popping up recently. All I have is a theory I can't prove but something's going on and I don't think it's the seeds because grower A's plants hermie yet growers B,C,D,E,F, etc... grow the same seeds without any issues. I know many will say "What the hell is this guy talking about?" and that's fine. But I'm not just going to blame seeds as an easy scapegoat. Something else is going on.

The hormonal control of sex differentiation in dioecious plants of hemp (Cannabis sativd). The influence of plant growth regulators on sex expression in male and female plants | Galoch | Acta Societatis Botanicorum Poloniae

 

[canna_420]

Is that the little tote that’s got a little fish pump in it and 6 holes and the baskets. I did that man it leaked all over my legal paper so I scrapped it

Ye but make your own with a floating platform and a good strong bucket.

Something like a fake polystyrene cake and the same size bucket so will always be wet but not need over filling.

 

[Rebel71]

PM me dude. i gotta go to work but lets work somethin out later i really wanna test this clone to strain theory on my settup as to why its hermin some and some aint

Can’t seem to pm you due to your profile settings go ahead and send me a pm

 

[Mariosehr]

How many grows does your light have under its belt? Okay so we know genetics, where it comes from. Stress also is know to be cause, excessive trim, water, light Change etc. No contact with male plant, or bring outside? Man hang in there. Don’t give up. Retrace and try again and again.

 

[T-ronik]

Grow autos brother

 

[xtsho]

Grow autos brother

Why should they grow auto's?

 

[T-ronik]

Why should they grow auto's?

not as easily bothered by environmental stressors

 

[Mariosehr]

I hear y’all on possibilities of light related problem maybe causing and stressing and resulting hermies . Wouldn’t light stress first cause fox tail? Or co exist

 

[Callz]

What are you feeding?


I've bought and grown seeds from European outfits for years and have never had anything hermie that wasn't a true landrace. I've grown all kinds of freebies from Seedman and Sensible seeds. Not a single hermie.

All these hermie issues people are having is more than likely caused by something the grower is doing. But everyone is quick to blame the seeds. It's an easy scapegoat.

I am of the opinion that much of it is caused by what people are feeding their plants. Many of the ingredients and additives used that are cannabis specific contain naturally occurring PGR's. Kelp for example has naturally occurring PGR's such as gibberellins, cytonkins, auxins. Add those with whatever unlisted ingredients are in some of these cannabis snake oil products, amino acids, and other stuff and who the hell knows what the fuck is going on and how the combinations are affecting the plant.

There has been very little scientific studies on the use of these and their effect on cannabis. It's been more like "Let's put it in". Then some cannabis grower buys in to all the marketing bullshit and has to have whatever flavor of the day product it is because they heard through the broscience grapevine they need it for their plants to get the biggest buds possible. In chemistry you know not to mix this with that because you'll get reaction X. With cannabis specific nutrients it's become mixes of this and that without any studies to determine how the ingredients react.

I'm not buying all these bad seeds causing all the hermies that have been popping up recently. All I have is a theory I can't prove but something's going on and I don't think it's the seeds because grower A's plants hermie yet growers B,C,D,E,F, etc... grow the same seeds without any issues. I know many will say "What the hell is this guy talking about?" and that's fine. But I'm not just going to blame seeds as an easy scapegoat. Something else is going on.

The hormonal control of sex differentiation in dioecious plants of hemp (Cannabis sativd). The influence of plant growth regulators on sex expression in male and female plants | Galoch | Acta Societatis Botanicorum Poloniae

Im using fox farms ocean forest soil, 6.5 ph, minimal nutrients (never above 500ppm-600), with mars hydro lights. the temps never go above 80, i got a par meter and the lights arent above 800 uolm and there is no light leaks.

 

[mudballs]

@bk78

Correct if you look through old posts on MNS Neville states he used ethylene to reverse males to female.

you know bk78...i just feel pity for you at this point....you're just so ignorant it's laughable...to think you are a valuable addition to this world and to be so wrong so often? let me guess, you thought what shoes you were wearing in school was more important than what the teachers were talking about didn't you? you cared more about what others thought of you, than actually advancing yourself beyond "let's play call of duty". I just absolutely love when you fall flat on your face, you're like a chew toy for me and others.

 

[T-ronik]

@bk78
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you know bk78...i just feel pity for you at this point....you're just so ignorant it's laughable...to think you are a valuable addition to this world and to be so wrong so often? let me guess, you thought what shoes you were wearing in school was more important than what the teachers were talking about didn't you? you cared more about what others thought of you, than actually advancing yourself beyond "let's play call of duty". I just absolutely love when you fall flat on your face, you're like a chew toy for me and others.

I haven't been around here long but it's pretty dam obvious that this BK kid has some issues going on.

 

[Rebel71]

Im using fox farms ocean forest soil, 6.5 ph, minimal nutrients (never above 500ppm-600), with mars hydro lights. the temps never go above 80, i got a par meter and the lights arent above 800 uolm and there is no light leaks.

Callz man! You’re doing everything right it sounds like. my guess it’s going to be The vapors from the fruit or to me it sounds like seeds.

 

[mudballs]

What are you feeding?


I've bought and grown seeds from European outfits for years and have never had anything hermie that wasn't a true landrace. I've grown all kinds of freebies from Seedman and Sensible seeds. Not a single hermie.

All these hermie issues people are having is more than likely caused by something the grower is doing. But everyone is quick to blame the seeds. It's an easy scapegoat.

I am of the opinion that much of it is caused by what people are feeding their plants. Many of the ingredients and additives used that are cannabis specific contain naturally occurring PGR's. Kelp for example has naturally occurring PGR's such as gibberellins, cytonkins, auxins. Add those with whatever unlisted ingredients are in some of these cannabis snake oil products, amino acids, and other stuff and who the hell knows what the fuck is going on and how the combinations are affecting the plant.

There has been very little scientific studies on the use of these and their effect on cannabis. It's been more like "Let's put it in". Then some cannabis grower buys in to all the marketing bullshit and has to have whatever flavor of the day product it is because they heard through the broscience grapevine they need it for their plants to get the biggest buds possible. In chemistry you know not to mix this with that because you'll get reaction X. With cannabis specific nutrients it's become mixes of this and that without any studies to determine how the ingredients react.

I'm not buying all these bad seeds causing all the hermies that have been popping up recently. All I have is a theory I can't prove but something's going on and I don't think it's the seeds because grower A's plants hermie yet growers B,C,D,E,F, etc... grow the same seeds without any issues. I know many will say "What the hell is this guy talking about?" and that's fine. But I'm not just going to blame seeds as an easy scapegoat. Something else is going on.

The hormonal control of sex differentiation in dioecious plants of hemp (Cannabis sativd). The influence of plant growth regulators on sex expression in male and female plants | Galoch | Acta Societatis Botanicorum Poloniae

i dont want to fight, just add to discussion...it's possible that a breeder did something that left in the hermie trait. then what happens is we have 100 plants the breeder made for seeds, those seeds go out and we have 5000 seeds distributed with a dominant hermie trait in them. It's a self sustaining population now....some don't show because they aren't stressed enough, others do. botanical manipulation isn't cut n dry as much as we would like to think. PGR's could do it, but think of this, the PGR's could also exacerbate the latent hermie trait. so you're correct in that part.
https://www.santyerbasi.com/en/blog/hermaphroditic-strains/
this could be the start of something similar to HLV

took them a very long time to diagnose then begin to eradicate it. same deal, first we'd have to diagnose that the hermie trait has become dominant, trace the origins back to the breeder, then destroy all progeny of that strain from that breeder.....shit could get bad, you think autoflowers are dangerous to photoperiods? wait till the hermie trait gets a foothold.

 

[U79]

my lemon og has nanners over alot of buds

Look at this thread

Help DNA Lemon OG Hermies

i orderd 12 seeds from BC Buddepot in july, they sent me 15 seeds all germed all just past first week of flower, and i just cut off 5-10 balls off all of them and only one of them has a few hairs on it... ive grown out 40 different strains from seed and im always up in the tents with a blade...

www.rollitup.org

Now get rid of it and get yourself some new seeds! Do a proper selection with stress testing. It would be a little work but well worth it in the end. If you want something similar to the Lemon OG then Las Vegas Triangle Kush from Cannaventure could be an option. Look into the thread here on RIU. I have no experience with it myself but hear good things.

 

[bk78]

I haven't been around here long but it's pretty dam obvious that this BK kid has some issues going on.

Calm down Autofire

@bk78
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you know bk78...i just feel pity for you at this point....you're just so ignorant it's laughable...to think you are a valuable addition to this world and to be so wrong so often? let me guess, you thought what shoes you were wearing in school was more important than what the teachers were talking about didn't you? you cared more about what others thought of you, than actually advancing yourself beyond "let's play call of duty". I just absolutely love when you fall flat on your face, you're like a chew toy for me and others.

Hey @muddbutt, why does a little face on the internet make you this way? I thought you had me on ignore?

 

[Rebel71]

Help DNA Lemon OG Hermies

i orderd 12 seeds from BC Buddepot in july, they sent me 15 seeds all germed all just past first week of flower, and i just cut off 5-10 balls off all of them and only one of them has a few hairs on it... ive grown out 40 different strains from seed and im always up in the tents with a blade...

www.rollitup.org

Get rid of it and get yourself some new seeds! Do a proper selection with stress testing. It would be a little work but well worth it in the end. If you want something similar to the Lemon OG then Las Vegas Triangle Kush from Cannaventure could be an option. Look into the thread here on RIU. I have no experience with it myself but hear good things.

Super lemon Mac Wedding cake GG4 Blackjack try these, those strains are sic as fk! Blackjack I’m Flowering now so I’ll know about the citrus smell because she smells really good

 

[NayHay]

Light leaks can be tricky, timers get whacky, LED lights get bleed-over voltage from improperly grounded timers (poor manufacturing). And why is venting always shining inside and not flat black? Always have to mask over the venting, that shiny interior brings lights from 12 feet away.

But I bet it is genetics. I have run a fucked-up garden without herms many times. I get hermie Ethos strains almost 50% of the time, but not one yet from Irie Genetics. If hermies are the demon you need to conquer, I'd go with a breeder who makes culling herms job #1. And even then I'd look at the heritage and shy away from known herms (I know, that's most of them). Good luck and consider more hashmaking from seedy bud.

 

[Bukvičák]

so could this be a PH imbalance? as i said earlier fox farms ocean forest soil is filled with nutes and is super acidic. could it be the ph just being to low for some plants but not for others?

No

 

[canna_420]

Super lemon Mac Wedding cake GG4 Blackjack try these, those strains are sic as fk! Blackjack I’m Flowering now so I’ll know about the citrus smell because she smells really good

The GG4 is very herm prone.

The problem with most American clone only are from herm accidents. Feminising herm plants only encourages them.

 

[Tikbalang]

My opinion bears no weight here, and by no measure am I an expert yet I’ll throw my 2 cents in nonetheless as I faced similar experiences in the past. Successive runs with select hermies. I swore everything was dialed in and blamed the genetics ( which could have played a factor in the sense that some cultivars/strains may be more predisposed or sensitive?) and aborted 2 or 3 runs. I had made brief checks for light leaks, never finding any and most other parameters were WNL. Not until I spent an extended period of time did I discover an intermittent source of light pollution. Once corrected, I have had hermies free runs. I noted you have spent time monitoring dark period for leaks, maybe go longer? Anyway, good luck and don’t give up, sometimes a short break helps though.