FresnoFarmer
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lol so then ALL of these covid deaths don’t mean shit. Or does it only apply to the numbers that you don’t want to believe are real?
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DIY-HP-LED
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Yeah, like we're gonna spend all day trolling through a page of links. You're full of shit and know it.
So what does success look like for you? India?
How would you suggest we deal with this pandemic? Herd immunity?
hanimmal
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You are saying that they did from the virus? How do you know that is how they died?
FresnoFarmer
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how do we know all these “unvaccinated cases” are from the virus? The same way.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Studies have shown that covid death are under reported, especially when healthcare systems ate overwhelmed, India has grossly under counted deaths and in America it is estimated by some that 1 million died from covid.
Here's a for instance.
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India’s Covid-19 Death Toll Is Likely in the Millions, Study Finds - WSJ
India’s Covid-19 Death Toll Is Likely in the Millions, Study Finds
Researchers estimated number of fatalities caused by the disease at about four million, which would be 10 times the official count
NEW DELHI—The true tally of Covid-19 deaths in India following a devastating spring surge is likely close to 10 times higher than the country’s official count, marking the pandemic as one of the worst tragedies to ever hit the South Asian nation, according to a new study.
India has officially recorded more than 414,000 coronavirus deaths, but scientists and researchers have said that number undercounts the real toll. When India’s cases peaked in April and May, hospitals across the country were forced to turn away patients who later died at home, often untested.
The study pegged excess deaths—or the number of people who died beyond what is normally expected—at between 3.4 million and 4.7 million from January 2020 to June 2021, according to the report released Tuesday from Arvind Subramanian, a former chief economic adviser for the Indian government, and researchers at the Center for Global Development and Harvard University.
One estimate in the study pegged Covid-19 deaths at about four million, roughly 10 times the official count. “True deaths are likely to be in the several millions, not hundreds of thousands, making this arguably India’s worst human tragedy since partition and independence,” the report said.
The study was based on three data sources: deaths from several states logged into the country’s civil registration system, blood tests that show antibodies for the virus in India along with fatality rates in other countries, and a nationwide household survey that is conducted three times a year.
hanimmal
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I wouldn't be so sure of that. Because of HEPA laws and cleaning I could see why the data reported for people who passed away having the virus and the reason people died could be very different. Drawing conclusions based on what you want to believe is why cherry picking is so effective man.
I don't know enough to say how those things were collected, but I would think that with the attack on our society by trolls pushing death cult trolls, I would just trust the fact that over 96% of the people who are actual doctors have chosen to be vaccinated is a better reason to get it.
FresnoFarmer
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96%. Are you sure?
June 16, 2021
Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey
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Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID.
This contrasts with the claim by the American Medical Association that 96 percent of practicing physicians are fully vaccinated. This was based on 300 respondents.
Neither survey represents a random sample of all American physicians, but the AAPS survey shows that physician support for the mass injection campaign is far from unanimous.
“It is wrong to call a person who declines a shot an ‘anti-vaxxer,’” states AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D. “Virtually no physicians are ‘anti-antibiotics’ or ‘anti-surgery,’ whereas all are opposed to treatments that they think are unnecessary, more likely to harm than to benefit an individual patient, or inadequately tested.”
The AAPS survey also showed that 54 percent of physician respondents were aware of patients suffering a “significant adverse reaction.” Of the unvaccinated physicians, 80 percent said “I believe risk of shots exceeds risk of disease,” and 30% said “I already had COVID.”
Other reasons for declining the shot included unknown long-term effects, use of aborted fetal tissue, “it’s experimental,” availability of effective early treatment, and reports of deaths and blood clots.
Of 560 practicing physicians, 56 percent said they offered early treatment for COVID.
Nonphysicians were also invited to participate in the survey. Of some 5,300 total participants, 2,548 volunteered comments about associated adverse effects of which they were aware. These included death, amputation, paralysis, stillbirth, menstrual irregularities, blindness, seizures, and heart issues.
“Causality is not proven. However, many of these episodes might have resulted in a huge product liability or malpractice award if they had occurred after a new drug,” stated Dr. Orient. “Purveyors of these COVID products are protected against lawsuits.”
Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID. This contrasts with the claim by […]
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FresnoFarmer
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“This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated..." Well it would appear that way since they only report breakthrough cases of vaccine failure w/ Ct < 28 + hospitalization or death, while "COVID-19" in the unvaccinated still includes cases w/Ct 38/39...
DIY-HP-LED
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A Fourth Wave of COVID-19 Is Brewing in the U.S. | Time
A Fourth Wave of COVID-19 Is Brewing in the U.S. Is There Enough Time to Stop It?
With every passing day, the United States appears more likely to be on the cusp of a dreaded fourth wave of COVID-19 infections, even as the percentage of fully vaccinated Americans inches toward 50%. In the past two weeks, the number of average new daily cases has more than doubled, from 13,200 on July 4 to more than 32,300 on July 18, a surge that harbors grim reminders of the fronts of the second and third waves in the summer and fall of 2020.
But on closer inspection, this surge looks significantly different than those we have seen in the past—and may very well be worse than it looks on the page.
The coronavirus pandemic has never, even in its worst heights last winter, struck the U.S. uniformly. Instead, it has wandered from eruptions in specific urban areas to suburban and rural counties and then back again, like a persistent hurricane. Now, as the gap between states’ completed vaccination rates widens—Alabama has vaccinated just 33.7% of residents, compared to nearly 70% in Vermont—the per capita rate of new cases has clustered in a handful of regions where a majority of adults remain unvaccinated even as reopening continues apace.
Here’s a county-level map of the 14-day growth of cases per 100,000 residents by county:
To draw on my amateur oceanography, the current crest resembles less a wave than a rip tide, with surges of current inundating several hotspots while the remainder of the country remains blissfully unaware (or unwilling to admit) that the pandemic is not remotely over. The upshot is that local data, rather than state- or nationwide-level figures, now paint the most accurate picture of the current state of the outbreak.
“State-wide cases don’t tell the entire story. We need a finer-toothed comb,” says Jennifer Nuzzo, the lead epidemiologist for the Johns Hopkins University Testing Insights Initiative.
As Nuzzo notes, the most recent documented outbreaks are more concentrated in rural areas than those of the worst spikes over the past 16 months (though the virus didn’t spare any corner of the country). What appears to be different now, even within more rural regions, is a blossoming of outbreaks that are at the moment highly clustered, particularly along the border between Arkansas and Missouri as well as northeast Florida and southeast Georgia.
But any such observation comes with the same caveat that we on the Numbers Beat have been striving to communicate since the beginning: The number of cases is contingent on the number of people being tested for the virus, a figure that can only underestimate the true picture, not exaggerate it.
Let’s recall: A year ago, COVID-19 skeptics, including then-Vice President Mike Pence, were attributing a spike in cases at the time to an increase in testing, a claim that was easily debunked. Now we face the opposite question: As the number of weekly tests has plummeted, taking a back seat to vaccination, and with the sense of urgency abating (for now), is the situation in fact worse than it appears?
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A Fourth Wave of COVID-19 Is Brewing in the U.S. Is There Enough Time to Stop It?
With every passing day, the United States appears more likely to be on the cusp of a dreaded fourth wave of COVID-19 infections, even as the percentage of fully vaccinated Americans inches toward 50%. In the past two weeks, the number of average new daily cases has more than doubled, from 13,200 on July 4 to more than 32,300 on July 18, a surge that harbors grim reminders of the fronts of the second and third waves in the summer and fall of 2020.
But on closer inspection, this surge looks significantly different than those we have seen in the past—and may very well be worse than it looks on the page.
The coronavirus pandemic has never, even in its worst heights last winter, struck the U.S. uniformly. Instead, it has wandered from eruptions in specific urban areas to suburban and rural counties and then back again, like a persistent hurricane. Now, as the gap between states’ completed vaccination rates widens—Alabama has vaccinated just 33.7% of residents, compared to nearly 70% in Vermont—the per capita rate of new cases has clustered in a handful of regions where a majority of adults remain unvaccinated even as reopening continues apace.
Here’s a county-level map of the 14-day growth of cases per 100,000 residents by county:
To draw on my amateur oceanography, the current crest resembles less a wave than a rip tide, with surges of current inundating several hotspots while the remainder of the country remains blissfully unaware (or unwilling to admit) that the pandemic is not remotely over. The upshot is that local data, rather than state- or nationwide-level figures, now paint the most accurate picture of the current state of the outbreak.
“State-wide cases don’t tell the entire story. We need a finer-toothed comb,” says Jennifer Nuzzo, the lead epidemiologist for the Johns Hopkins University Testing Insights Initiative.
As Nuzzo notes, the most recent documented outbreaks are more concentrated in rural areas than those of the worst spikes over the past 16 months (though the virus didn’t spare any corner of the country). What appears to be different now, even within more rural regions, is a blossoming of outbreaks that are at the moment highly clustered, particularly along the border between Arkansas and Missouri as well as northeast Florida and southeast Georgia.
But any such observation comes with the same caveat that we on the Numbers Beat have been striving to communicate since the beginning: The number of cases is contingent on the number of people being tested for the virus, a figure that can only underestimate the true picture, not exaggerate it.
Let’s recall: A year ago, COVID-19 skeptics, including then-Vice President Mike Pence, were attributing a spike in cases at the time to an increase in testing, a claim that was easily debunked. Now we face the opposite question: As the number of weekly tests has plummeted, taking a back seat to vaccination, and with the sense of urgency abating (for now), is the situation in fact worse than it appears?
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DIY-HP-LED
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Your posts are a litany of antivaxxer disinformation.
Do you have a point? An objective?
AMA: 96% Of Doctors Are Vaccinated Against Covid-19 (forbes.com)
AMA: 96% Of Doctors Are Vaccinated Against Covid-19
The American Medical Association says 96 percent of “practicing physicians” have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19, the nation’s largest doctor group said Friday.
The AMA said its survey of practicing doctors showed “no significant difference in vaccination rates across regions. “Of the physicians who are not yet vaccinated, an additional 45 percent do plan to get vaccinated,” the AMA said in a statement accompanying its poll results.
The AMA’s policy-making House of Delegates, which meets this weekend, said the survey was conducted last week. The AMA said the vaccination rate its analysis showed was a far greater improvement, or an increase of more than 20% for physicians compared to a May 2021 Medscape poll.
Such a survey of doctors is important in vaccinating the rest of the U.S. because Americans look to physicians as trusted messengers. Often, doctors are used in public service campaigns and in community group meetings to speak to people who might be considered hesitant about getting vaccinated.
“Practicing physicians across the country are leading by example, with an amazing uptake of the COVID-19 vaccines,” AMA President Dr Susan R. Bailey said. “Physicians and clinicians are uniquely positioned to listen to and validate patient concerns, and one of the most powerful anecdotes a physician can offer is that they themselves have been vaccinated.”
The AMA has endorsed the safety and efficacy of vaccines in the U.S made by Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson.
“You can take it from your doctor: the COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective,” Bailey said. “With COVID-19 vaccines readily available and approved for all people 12 years old and up, we urge you to get vaccinated – take the single most important step you can to protect yourself, your family, and end the COVID-19 pandemic.”
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FresnoFarmer
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So the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is spreading disinformation? Lol ok. Their survey was twice as large as AMA’s.
hanimmal
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lol yeah, pretty sure that if you think those 300 'respondents' have better information when you compare it with the largest doctor organization that @DIY-HP-LED posted, Im still putting my money on the over 96% that the majority of the medical world are associated with being a better representation.96%. Are you sure?
June 16, 2021
Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey
Share:
Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID.
This contrasts with the claim by the American Medical Association that 96 percent of practicing physicians are fully vaccinated. This was based on 300 respondents.
Neither survey represents a random sample of all American physicians, but the AAPS survey shows that physician support for the mass injection campaign is far from unanimous.
“It is wrong to call a person who declines a shot an ‘anti-vaxxer,’” states AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D. “Virtually no physicians are ‘anti-antibiotics’ or ‘anti-surgery,’ whereas all are opposed to treatments that they think are unnecessary, more likely to harm than to benefit an individual patient, or inadequately tested.”
The AAPS survey also showed that 54 percent of physician respondents were aware of patients suffering a “significant adverse reaction.” Of the unvaccinated physicians, 80 percent said “I believe risk of shots exceeds risk of disease,” and 30% said “I already had COVID.”
Other reasons for declining the shot included unknown long-term effects, use of aborted fetal tissue, “it’s experimental,” availability of effective early treatment, and reports of deaths and blood clots.
Of 560 practicing physicians, 56 percent said they offered early treatment for COVID.
Nonphysicians were also invited to participate in the survey. Of some 5,300 total participants, 2,548 volunteered comments about associated adverse effects of which they were aware. These included death, amputation, paralysis, stillbirth, menstrual irregularities, blindness, seizures, and heart issues.
“Causality is not proven. However, many of these episodes might have resulted in a huge product liability or malpractice award if they had occurred after a new drug,” stated Dr. Orient. “Purveyors of these COVID products are protected against lawsuits.”
Majority of Physicians Decline COVID Shots, according to Survey - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
Of the 700 physicians responding to an internet survey by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), nearly 60 percent said they were not “fully vaccinated” against COVID. This contrasts with the claim by […]
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19
That sounds like a totally legit name.
rkymtnman
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lmao!!!
The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy
DIY-HP-LED
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I tend to just post the truth as a counter to their bullshit. I mean what does success look like to this clown? Seems to me he's just trying to kill folks with bullshit.
Budzbuddha
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This disinformation campaign of “ natural “ immunity and resistance to vaccine would be funny if it wasn’t so serious. Like saying you are naturally immune to aids. All the complainers have at one time or another have been vaccinated before as a baby or school age child …. Not a big deal then … right ?
TB tests , mumps , rubella , whooping cough , measles, polio etc.
We all been there done that … so why cry now ?
No fucking lizard genome, no alien cum squirts , no nanobots or devil marking , no juice from baby squeezing……
Cancel the olympics - gather up all the non vax knuckleheads and place in a coliseum …
Let nature give out the darwin awards .
TB tests , mumps , rubella , whooping cough , measles, polio etc.
We all been there done that … so why cry now ?
No fucking lizard genome, no alien cum squirts , no nanobots or devil marking , no juice from baby squeezing……
Cancel the olympics - gather up all the non vax knuckleheads and place in a coliseum …
Let nature give out the darwin awards .
rkymtnman
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all 700 doctors the AAPS surveyed were: republcans, anti-vaxxers, trump supporters and climate change deniers
www.theatlantic.com
The Opposite of Socialized Medicine
A small, litigious group has spent decades trying to stop the government from telling doctors what to do. What happens if it succeeds?
FresnoFarmer
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Lol I’ll be fine just like last time lol. Karma might be a bitch. Being scared of a virus with 99.8 survival rate is being a bigger bitch lol.
FresnoFarmer
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Comparing covid-19 to AIDS?!?! Lmao
DIY-HP-LED
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If we didn't cause these assholes some pain, the threads would be full of their bullshit, it would end up like the Parlor and @potroast would go nuts!
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