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DIY-HP-LED

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Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?
Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously


Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination.

More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.


Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated.



With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID.

By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave.


According to a report by Channel 13, the disparity has confounded – and divided – Health Ministry experts, with some saying the data proves the higher level of immunity provided by natural infection versus vaccination, while others remained unconvinced.

Source: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762
How many were hospitalized and how many of the vaccinated died?
How many of the unvaccinated were hospitalized and died?
.05778% of vaccinated people were getting infected FFS!

Is the article suggesting people wait for some kind of superior immunity through playing the covid lottery? Vaccination immunity appears to be doing the trick and if you want the delta variant, it's best to get a mild or asymptomatic case after vaccination
 

FresnoFarmer

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How many were hospitalized and how many of the vaccinated died?
How many of the unvaccinated were hospitalized and died?
.05778% of vaccinated people were getting infected FFS!

Is the article suggesting people wait for some kind of superior immunity through playing the covid lottery? Vaccination immunity appears to be doing the trick and if you want the delta variant, it's best to get a mild or asymptomatic case after vaccination
3 of the most vaccinated countries are having issues battling covid-19. Sure.....doing the trick.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Delta variant now accounts for 83% of all sequenced Covid cases in the U.S., CDC Director Walensky says (cnbc.com)

Delta variant now accounts for 83% of all sequenced Covid cases in the U.S., CDC Director Walensky says

  • The delta variant first identified in India is now estimated to make up 83% of all sequenced Covid-19 cases in the U.S., the director of the CDC said Tuesday.
  • “This is a dramatic increase from up from 50%, the week of July 3,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said during a Senate hearing.
  • Covid fatalities have risen by nearly 48% over the past week to an average of 239 per day, she said.
The delta variant first identified in India is now estimated to make up 83% of all sequenced Covid-19 cases in the U.S., a dramatic rise from 50% the week of July 3, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Tuesday.
CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, testifying at a Senate hearing, said nearly two-thirds of the counties in the U.S. have vaccinated less than 40% of their residents, “allowing for the emergence and rapid spread of the highly transmissible delta variant.”

The surge in delta cases is leading to a rise in deaths. Covid fatalities have risen by nearly 48% over the past week to an average of 239 per day, she said. More than 34.1 million people in the U.S. have contracted the virus so far, killing more than 609,000, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
“Each death is tragic and even more heartbreaking when we know that the majority of these deaths could be prevented with a simple, safe, available vaccine,” she said.

The variant is even more contagious than the alpha variant, which was first identified in the U.K. and was estimated by public health officials there to be between 43% and 90% more transmissible than the original Covid-19 strain. Discovered in October, delta has since spread to more than 100 countries, according to World Health Organization data.
“The reason it’s so formidable is the fact that it has the capability of transmitting efficiently from human to human in an extraordinary manner, well beyond any of the other variants that we’ve experienced, up to now,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the White House’s chief medical advisor, said during the hearing.
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hanimmal

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3 of the most vaccinated countries are having issues battling covid-19. Sure.....doing the trick.
Are you talking just sheer numbers wise? I could see how a huge city would still have a lot of people vulnerable while a nice suburb with lower percentage would have less people sick in total, but that doesn't mean that the vaccine is not working.

And not a very good reason to not get it.
 

FresnoFarmer

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Only among the unvaccinated fools, the vaccinated are doing fine, perhaps a case of the "Wu Flu", the unvaccinated are roadkill and a threat to the vulnerable.
More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine.
 

FresnoFarmer

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Are you talking just sheer numbers wise? I could see how a huge city would still have a lot of people vulnerable while a nice suburb with lower percentage would have less people sick in total, but that doesn't mean that the vaccine is not working.

And not a very good reason to not get it.
Statistics are statistics.


Already having natural immunity is a good reason not to get it.
 

hanimmal

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Statistics are statistics.
Yeah, and cherry picking the ones that you think will sell a narrative is bullshit.

Already having natural immunity is a good reason not to get it.
I would ask a real doctor or someone working at a local doctors office/hospital/etc and ask them if that is a good reason or not. Because I call bullshit, and bet outside of the random nuts selling you snake oil spam, it will just be more propaganda.

And that is not a good reason to not get the vaccine.
 

FresnoFarmer

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Yeah, and cherry picking the ones that you think will sell a narrative is bullshit.


I would ask a real doctor or someone working at a local doctors office/hospital/etc and ask them if that is a good reason or not. Because I call bullshit, and bet outside of the random nuts selling you snake oil spam, it will just be more propaganda.

And that is not a good reason to not get the vaccine.
Literally the data I just posted shows that natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine. Data from the same experts you’re telling me to ask. Lol
 

hanimmal

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More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine.
Is dying within a period of time after testing for the virus proof that they died 'of' covid?

This is that statistical bullshit trolling that cracks me up.

Literally the data I just posted shows that natural immunity is more effective than the vaccine. Data from the same experts you’re telling me to ask. Lol
Based on the bullshit statistic you posted above?

 

DIY-HP-LED

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More vaccinated people are dying of COVID than unvaccinated people, according to a recent report from Public Health England (PHE). The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine.
The information you cite is not on the link you provided, cite the source, those who died were not fully vaccinated, the data set starts in February, just as vaccines (AZ in the UK) were being rolled out. We have much better data now that conclusively demonstrates the MRNA vaccines reduce hospitalizations and deaths from covid by over 95%. Why are the hospitals full of younger unvaccinated people now? Over 3/4s of the people over 65 have had the shot?

This is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated, good luck with your natural immunity though, I hope it lasts, but it's not recommended for others.
 

FresnoFarmer

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Is dying within a period of time after testing for the virus proof that they died 'of' covid?

This is that statistical bullshit trolling that cracks me up.



Based on the bullshit statistic you posted above?

You do realize that is how they are getting all of these numbers right? Lol. Be mad at the real world data if you want.
 

hanimmal

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The information you cite is not on the link you provided, cite the source, those who died were not fully vaccinated, the data set starts in February, just as vaccines (AZ in the UK) were being rolled out. We have much better data now that conclusively demonstrates the MRNA vaccines reduce hospitalizations and deaths from covid by over 95%. Why are the hospitals full of younger unvaccinated people now? Over 3/4s of the people over 65 have had the shot?

This is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated, good luck with your natural immunity though, I hope it lasts, but it's not recommended for others.
I was just looking at what they posted with. Dying of the virus is not the same as dying with the virus in your system, which is the troll that Trump was pulling over last year with his testing bullshit. All it is is people looking for bullshit ways to find some statistic that 'feels' like it makes sense for some bullshit argument that they troll as a 'look there's a magical way that what we are trolling on about makes sense'.

You do realize that is how they are getting all of these numbers right? Lol. Be mad at the real world data if you want.
Nice one.

The problem is that you are posting them and pretending like they mean what you are saying they do, and they don't.
 

FresnoFarmer

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The information you cite is not on the link you provided, cite the source, those who died were not fully vaccinated, the data set starts in February, just as vaccines (AZ in the UK) were being rolled out. We have much better data now that conclusively demonstrates the MRNA vaccines reduce hospitalizations and deaths from covid by over 95%. Why are the hospitals full of younger unvaccinated people now? Over 3/4s of the people over 65 have had the shot?

This is now a pandemic of the unvaccinated, good luck with your natural immunity though, I hope it lasts, but it's not recommended for others.
Lol it most definitely is on the link that I provided. But ok.

 
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