Afganistan Collapse

[doublejj]

Anybody that knows politics knows that Bush Jr/Obama/Biden had/have no active leadership role as president. So blaming or crediting any of them for anything is just silly.

So the question is - WHY did Biden's overlords allow Afghanistan to happen? There is no way they are THAT incompetent and stupid, they KNEW what the result would be.

What is the purpose of this intentional fuckup?

Biden didn't fuckup Afghanistan, we should have been out of there 20 years ago. He's finally getting us out.

 

[rabbita78]

Biden didn't fuckup Afghanistan, we should have been out of there 20 years ago. He's finally getting us out.

We should have never been there, I agree we needed to get out, but that was not Biden's call.

The same people that brought America in there are executing this blunderous exit.... and they are doing it deliberately... i can only speculate as to WHY they wanted such a disastrous exit

 

[doublejj]

We should have never been there, I agree we needed to get out, but that was not Biden's call.

The same people that brought America in there are executing this blunderous exit.... and they are doing it deliberately... i can only speculate as to WHY they wanted such a disastrous exit

I don't see this as a disastrous exit....actually going pretty smoothly all things considered. Most people are getting out safely. A lot just waited a little too long, the writing was on the wall for a long time; the US was leaving. Taliban is handling it pretty well if you ask me. It's their country for christ's sake we should get the hell out and be quick about it.

 

[rabbita78]

I don't see this as a disastrous exit....actually going pretty smoothly all things considered. Most people are getting out safely. A lot just waited a little too long, the writing was on the wall for a long time; the US was leaving. Taliban is handling it pretty well if you ask me. It's their country for christ's sake we should get the hell out and be quick about it.

mehhh leaving the Taliban a bunch of apache helicopters tanks humvees and god knows what else IS a disaster.

You are right that the taliban is being reasonable about it - i mean they want America OUT asap - they dont want problems - just want them gone

like for example - if all the people that believe America was stolen from Indians decided to back up their talk, be morally righteous people & LEAVE - i wouldnt wanna cause problems for them - i'd help them pack, take them to the airport, and make sure they catch their flight

 

[doublejj]

mehhh leaving the Taliban a bunch of apache helicopters tanks humvees and god knows what else IS a disaster.

You are right that the taliban is being reasonable about it - i mean they want America OUT asap - they dont want problems - just want them gone

like for example - if all the people that believe America was stolen from Indians decided to BACK UP THEIR TALK and LEAVE - i wouldnt wanna cause problems for them - i'd help them pack, take them to the airport, and make sure they catch their flight

Those guys flying apaches?......come on man, do you think you could jump in one and get it off the ground? And besides we took out all the new shit. what was left behind belonged to the Afghan Army not US.

 

[rabbita78]

Those guys flying apaches?......come on man, do you think you could jump in one and get it off the ground? I'd pay to see you try. And besides we took out all the new shit. what was left behind belonged to the Afghan Army not US.

I'm sure if i did some virtual training yes i could get one off the ground, regardless they could sell/trade it to people who do know how.

So they wouldnt leave behind apaches to people who couldnt fly them right? Seems like the pilots will have a new career with the taliban is my guess

 

[doublejj]

I'm sure if i did some virtual training yes i could get one off the ground, regardless they could sell/trade it to people who do know how.

those things are extremely high maintenance, they won't be flying long...

 

[rabbita78]

those things are extremely high maintenance, they won't be flying long...

well again - u admitted they left it to the afghans right? So the maintenance guys / pilots have a new career with the taliban i guess

but in general the parts to an apache would have to be ordered from the american government - so they probably wouldnt last TOO long

 

[Lucky Luke]

As everyone, even the Taliban thought, nobody though they could just waltz in and take the town. If the Afghan army fought them off there would have been plenty of time.

Why would an army that knows its lost, that hasn't been paid properly in ages fight for? Why would they fight for a puppet gov when the puppeteer is retreating after having 5000 opposition troops released?
Why would they want a civil war?

 

[threepercent]

Those guys flying apaches?......come on man, do you think you could jump in one and get it off the ground? And besides we took out all the new shit. what was left behind belonged to the Afghan Army not US.

what was left included over 600,000 automatic weapons...tens of thousands of 4th generation night vision...hundreds of thousands of sets of body armor...some 75,000 motor vehicles, humvees, MRAPs, with heavy machine guns, light cannons and grenade launchers...

 

[hanimmal]

can you explain how the ONLY president in the last 40 years that never started a war (TRUMP) was going to get lots of soldiers killed?

You mean the ONLY president that allowed a foreign military to continually attack our citizens unchecked and even invited it on national TV?

Why would another country need to start a war with us when Trump was giving them anything they wanted?

 

[threepercent]

You mean the ONLY president that allowed a foreign military to continually attack our citizens unchecked and even invited it on national TV?

Why would another country need to start a war with us when Trump was giving them anything they wanted?

List all the presidents that have NOT sent troops to the middle east. Compare and contrast.

 

[hanimmal]

List all the presidents that have NOT sent troops to the middle east. Compare and contrast.

What does that have to do with Trump allowing a foreign military to attack our citizens unchecked?

Are you ok with the fact that Trump's campaign gave the Russian military the data on all of the citizens he received from the RNC to help him in the 2016 election? That is our friends, families, and fellow citizens that they were attacking, and Trump helped them.

 

[threepercent]

What does that have to do with Trump allowing a foreign military to attack our citizens unchecked?

Are you ok with the fact that Trump's campaign gave the Russian military the data on all of the citizens he received from the RNC to help him in the 2016 election? That is our friends, families, and fellow citizens that they were attacking, and Trump helped them.

Is that what they told you on TV?

 

[hanimmal]

Is that what they told you on TV?

Nope, it was in the Republican led bi-partisan senate report.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-news-trump-campaigns-russia-contacts-grave-threat-senate-says.1028063/post-15768897

So, are you going to just be another sock puppet troll for Dear Leader, or an actual human American (assuming you're American and not just another paid troll) and be real at all?

Are you ok with the fact that the Russian military was given the data on our citizens that Dear Leader got from the RNC to help them attack us more efficiently?

 

[threepercent]

Nope, it was in the Republican led bi-partisan senate report.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/ap-news-trump-campaigns-russia-contacts-grave-threat-senate-says.1028063/post-15768897

So, are you going to just be another sock puppet troll for Dear Leader, or an actual human American (assuming you're American and not just another paid troll) and be real at all?

Are you ok with the fact that the Russian military was given the data on our citizens that Dear Leader got from the RNC to help them attack us more efficiently?

This thread is about afghanistan. Why are you trying to change the subject?
That "document" doesn't support your wild conjecture in any way.
...and slipping in hyperpartisan insults implying that I'm a "sock puppet troll" and a "paid troll" of a political party....comical.

 

[hanimmal]

This thread is about afghanistan. Why are you trying to change the subject?

I am curious why you are now dodging answering.

I mentioned that why would anyone need to start a war when Trump was bending a knee to anything that foreign dictators were willing to buy him off for.

That "document" doesn't support your wild conjecture in any way.

Um, is reading not fundamental with you? What would you call Trump's campaign manager giving the Russian spy the RNC data? A dude that Trump pardoned after 12 American jurors heard him confess a shit load of his crimes and gave him years in prison as a result of his very real crimes?

That "document" doesn't support your wild conjecture in any way.
...and slipping in hyperpartisan insults implying that I'm a "sock puppet troll" and a "paid troll" of a political party....comical.

I don't know you or your 5 posts, so why would I assume you are not another paid troll if you are so sticking to the script that you can't answer a real question that any American should have no problem answering?

 

[Lucky Luke]

Not 100% sure its true but im of the belief that the Afghanistan Gov were not even a part of the last stages of peace talks/ Americas surrender with the Taliban.
Can anyone confirm?

 

[DaFreak]

name one good withdrawal you are personally happy with.

Certainly not your father's

 

[threepercent]

I am curious why you are now dodging answering.

I mentioned that why would anyone need to start a war when Trump was bending a knee to anything that foreign dictators were willing to buy him off for.


Um, is reading not fundamental with you? What would you call Trump's campaign manager giving the Russian spy the RNC data? A dude that Trump pardoned after 12 American jurors heard him confess a shit load of his crimes and gave him years in prison as a result of his very real crimes?

I don't know you or your 5 posts, so why would I assume you are not another paid troll if you are so sticking to the script that you can't answer a real question that any American should have no problem answering?

Your document doesn't support your hyperdramatic and inaccurate allegations. Simple as that. I'm not going to chase you around in circles arguing every rhetorical accent and reference.
...and this thread is about afghanistan. Why are you intent on changing the subject?