Weed in Canada has ZERO value

[ComfortCreator]

Well welcome!
You see you are in the Canadian forum. Many folks here in Canada thought like you before it was legalized. Not me.
The story is way too long and big to catch you up. all I've said is quite true and FACT.
We have proven that here. How it goes in your country country I will not even attempt to say.
FACTS
Outdoor in Canada is almost no sale.
Greenhouse in Canada has no demand....only useful in stores that don't let you see or smell....bought once.....rarely twice.

Why would anyone here buy outdoor when they can grow 4 outdoor plants legally?

Canada has a terrible climate for outdoor cannabis. It was 7c the other night here.
We are not the southern States or Mexico. Outdoor from those places might be great...but here it's not the best. some can be okay. But it rarely compares to indoor. where the demand is.
You'll see if you ever legalize like we did with personal grow right .
Been there...done and seen that.

Notice your own comment about Canadian outdoor.

Let me pause...I love Canada, Canadians, our bros and sisters and we are all on the same team. We are discussing in your Canadian thread, and mean no disrespect to you personally or your knowledge. We only want to discuss things, not be right or wrong.

Now...that comment about outdoor. That is why you aren't understanding my point.

In the USA, we have so much farmland we pay farmers not to farm it. It is the highest quality in the world. If you havent had the pleasure of visiting California or Hawaii, I highly encourage you to do so. That is the pinnacle of outdoor cannabis growing. The legends of a Humboldt County, Hawaiian mountain grows are real. Generations of families have made huge fortunes mastering outdoor grows. Every pic you saw in High Times came from there back in the day.

The midwest, from Iowa to Minnesota to Wisconsin, through Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee have all produced outdoor buds that are better than any indoor I have ever seen. Why? How? Because for decades growers have honed their skills in the sun and become experts at farming cannabis.

They cannot - yet - grow and sell it between states. They cannot sell it to other countries. Banks and the financial system are very hesitant to play because it is not Federally legal.

Everything you say about Canada is absolutely true, no doubt. We wouldnt know. But understand...again you and I and the rest here are on the same team.

I would buy bud grown in Humboldt County all day, every day, instead of my own, if it were cheap enough and easy to get. They have better growers better weather, they have mountain sides and valleys. That is the "high end" market.

The lazy sheep will gladly buy Marlboro Greens as soon as they are available. Why? Because that's how people operate, many dont think of the best vs just getting high i.e
A pack of $20 cannabis cigs sounds good to many.

For many like some Canadians and Euros that mix cannabis and tobacco...it will be premixed and ready to go in cig form.

I have no doubt our indoor growers are no better or worse than Canada's or any other country. But outdoor we are unbelievable imo.

 

[ComfortCreator]

Was quoted at 100 ca a pound, looked like the columbian from the 90s but would be ok for making concentrates. Anything over 400ca a lb is high priced in Southern Ontario. I know a guy whos liscenced for 400 plants and doesnt even smoke it. Seems like you have to pay to play up here. Seems that quantity rules over quality now. I feel like the little guys growing the dank suffer the most by underpriced crap grown by newbs that have no idea how to properly care for the plants, and have no interest in growing quality herb. But thats a bitch session for some other time. I grow for personal and have no interest in selling anything l grow. Couldnt afford to grow it for price they pay now.

What is said here is why I believe the outdoor USA market will win. It can be produced the cheapest..just like our corn. It grows in exactly the same places as corn and tomatoes.

Quality is not relevant to most people. If the LPs in Canada hoped to sell high priced bud around the world they totally missed the market. And as soon as it it federally legal in the USA, we can easily supply ourselves...thus the massive glut of prospectors in Canada. Not unlike the gold rush.

 

[Playk328]

Outdoor in canada is fine where I am as long as you are not trying to run landrace sativas or something like that.. My harvest window is from late sept to early oct, done in time before bad weather hits in november

 

[Playk328]

I dont try to sell so for me I still think cannabis is over priced, 35 an 1/8th in legal shops here, they are greenhouse grown and they sell out at that price..

 

[OldMedUser]

Maybe he's Ex Gestapo. Now one of Trudys goons saving the children from the dreaded weed.
I wonder if the stores can sneak in outside bud for sale. Who watching these places?
Under counter or backroom bag filling could be very lucrative.

Most of these guys are pretty concerned about keeping their licenses so not likely doing any back-door deals but I don't frequent such establishments so don't what goes on in the back room. I did pop in to buy a little $10 pipe for a friend who has my cool one on loan. Now she can't find it but will eventually. No other place to get a pipe unless I drove an hour up the road.

 

[OldMedUser]

sorry for the É instead of a question mark I think my keyboard is in the french mode as dey say

You have it set for Canadian English so switch it to US English to fix that.

 

[OldMedUser]

Outdoor in canada is fine where I am as long as you are not trying to run landrace sativas or something like that.. My harvest window is from late sept to early oct, done in time before bad weather hits in november

Try living north of 55° where our window is about to close but I chopped my outdoor autos yesterday. Next year going to grow more of these Mazarilla, (GG#4 auto X Mazar auto). Photo plants won't start flowering until mid Aug and we got close to 0C just a week a go.

2 Maz and a CBD girl in the back. Pre-trimmed the day before.

 

[The Hippy]

There is zero need to speculate or theory-craft about a big ag approach to cannabis. It's all right there in black and white for everybody to look at.

You can simply look at all the publicly available quarterly financial reports of these billion dollar companies losing billions of dollars every single year while their shitty mass-produced flower rots away and retailers can't keep the shelves stocked long enough with premium craft offerings at a much higher price point because it sells so fast.

People don't want cheap mass produced flower, period. Whether its greenhouse/outdoor or even indoor in a massive warehouse. Cannabis -does not scale-. It's just too labor intensive to harvest when you have to hand trim each individual bud, etc..

The dude has had it explained to him thru 15 pages as he said. The facts keep bouncing off his rubber forehead. He thinks he knows something yet keeps proving he doesn't. I'm sick of educating him for free.

 

[The Hippy]

How is it any different? Basic needs being the same.. From seed to flower, flower to seed.

Then why do so many people fail then? It's not easy. Show us pics of your buds? Or your gro.
Growing fire bud takes skill. Some folks have that naturally. I've seen that. Others can't worth a shit.

 

[The Hippy]

There is zero need to speculate or theory-craft about a big ag approach to cannabis. It's all right there in black and white for everybody to look at.

You can simply look at all the publicly available quarterly financial reports of these billion dollar companies losing billions of dollars every single year while their shitty mass-produced flower rots away and retailers can't keep the shelves stocked long enough with premium craft offerings at a much higher price point because it sells so fast.

People don't want cheap mass produced flower, period. Whether its greenhouse/outdoor or even indoor in a massive warehouse. Cannabis -does not scale-. It's just too labor intensive to harvest when you have to hand trim each individual bud, etc..

EXACTLY....BRAVO
I agree 100%
You and I get it.

 

[The Hippy]

Notice your own comment about Canadian outdoor.

Let me pause...I love Canada, Canadians, our bros and sisters and we are all on the same team. We are discussing in your Canadian thread, and mean no disrespect to you personally or your knowledge. We only want to discuss things, not be right or wrong.

Now...that comment about outdoor. That is why you aren't understanding my point.

In the USA, we have so much farmland we pay farmers not to farm it. It is the highest quality in the world. If you havent had the pleasure of visiting California or Hawaii, I highly encourage you to do so. That is the pinnacle of outdoor cannabis growing. The legends of a Humboldt County, Hawaiian mountain grows are real. Generations of families have made huge fortunes mastering outdoor grows. Every pic you saw in High Times came from there back in the day.

The midwest, from Iowa to Minnesota to Wisconsin, through Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee have all produced outdoor buds that are better than any indoor I have ever seen. Why? How? Because for decades growers have honed their skills in the sun and become experts at farming cannabis.

They cannot - yet - grow and sell it between states. They cannot sell it to other countries. Banks and the financial system are very hesitant to play because it is not Federally legal.

Everything you say about Canada is absolutely true, no doubt. We wouldnt know. But understand...again you and I and the rest here are on the same team.

I would buy bud grown in Humboldt County all day, every day, instead of my own, if it were cheap enough and easy to get. They have better growers better weather, they have mountain sides and valleys. That is the "high end" market.

The lazy sheep will gladly buy Marlboro Greens as soon as they are available. Why? Because that's how people operate, many dont think of the best vs just getting high i.e
A pack of $20 cannabis cigs sounds good to many.

For many like some Canadians and Euros that mix cannabis and tobacco...it will be premixed and ready to go in cig form.

I have no doubt our indoor growers are no better or worse than Canada's or any other country. But outdoor we are unbelievable imo.

I've agreed with your point that it might be possible elsewhere. Such as in California and or other southern states. But here in Canada outdoor is crap and does not sell. Period.
We don't have the climate unless it's auto flowers.
FACT !

 

[The Hippy]

Most of these guys are pretty concerned about keeping their licenses so not likely doing any back-door deals but I don't frequent such establishments so don't what goes on in the back room. I did pop in to buy a little $10 pipe for a friend who has my cool one on loan. Now she can't find it but will eventually. No other place to get a pipe unless I drove an hour up the road.

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I agree. But if your going under who knows what they might try. I would....lol

 

[The Hippy]

Try living north of 55° where our window is about to close but I chopped my outdoor autos yesterday. Next year going to grow more of these Mazarilla, (GG#4 auto X Mazar auto). Photo plants won't start flowering until mid Aug and we got close to 0C just a week a go.

2 Maz and a CBD girl in the back. Pre-trimmed the day before.

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Even in southern Ontario we get quite cold night in September. It's started already. Gonna be 9c here tonight....6 to 7 in low lying areas.
Better the rest of the week though. So a reprieve for a week.

 

[OldMedUser]

Even in southern Ontario we get quite cold night in September. It's started already. Gonna be 9c here tonight....6 to 7 in low lying areas.
Better the rest of the week though. So a reprieve for a week.

You got any outdoor plants going? I wish I'd started with these autos years ago. Making medicine for friends a lot these days so handy to bulk up on pot to make oil with and not pay thru the teeth for power to do it indoors. I may even get my wife to use her 6g/day med to apply for outdoor growing if we can find a doc to renew next June. The doc who has been signing for us f'ed off to BC like lots are because our asshole premier is at war with the medical system in the middle of a pandemic. Worse than last Jan now here in Alberta. ICUs full of antivaxxing Covidiots with urgent surgeries being cancelled left, right and centre. Back of the line assholes!

 

[The Hippy]

No I'm not, but my kid is. I supplied him with some I thought might he have a chance at finishing correctly.
He grew some last year too. Imo it sucked. When you have top shelf at hand low end outdoor has no appeal. He gave me some but I gave it away.
I never really looked into an auto for myself as I can't move outdoor no matter what. Zero interest. Folks figure if your going to spend money on weed it better be good. Around here anyway.
In my experience they always ask and want the better weed.

 

[ComputerSaysNo]

The dude has had it explained to him thru 15 pages as he said. The facts keep bouncing off his rubber forehead. He thinks he knows something yet keeps proving he doesn't. I'm sick of educating him for free.

I care a lot less about your free education or your ad hominem attacks that you might think.

Canada is producing way more low-quality need than the domestic market wants. So there is no money to be made there. Not exactly mind boggling.

Anyways, I do not understand why we are even fighting, in any case I found this discussion very interesting, and it will be interesting to see how things develop.

 

[flawlesscrew]

Come and smoke some Canadian outdoor. Or some really nice indoor hand grown fire. If you can't see the difference you must be using on your wrong parts.

Well I must say my light dep stuff never gets the reviews you give. But I don’t think your reviews are wrong. Simply because when I show someone new they say wow that’s grown outdoors. The key is to finished by sept 1. Where I live there is no difference in temps from June til sept from indoor. Other then it’s too hot but that’s easy to bypass. Lots of water! But having said that all the outdoor growers I know can’t move anything at all.

 

[flawlesscrew]

Well I must say my light dep stuff never gets the reviews you give. But I don’t think your reviews are wrong. Simply because when I show someone new they say wow that’s grown outdoors. The key is to finished by sept 1. Where I live there is no difference in temps from June til sept from indoor. Other then it’s too hot but that’s easy to bypass. Lots of water! But having said that all the outdoor growers I know can’t move anything at all.

 

[Buddernugs]

I’m in ny 100-125 a zip year atm some guys are moving dabs for 10$ a gram as well……….gettin rough hear

 

[The Hippy]

I’m in ny 100-125 a zip year atm some guys are moving dabs for 10$ a gram as well……….gettin rough hear

Zips in my town in southern Ontario go from $55ish and up from there. Decent good bud by the ounce is generally about $120 CAD