Another gun thread

[hanimmal]

Why do people carry?

A wise man once said, ”there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin.”

I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world
.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police protection is an oxymoron.
Free citizens must protect themselves.

Im sure this asshole would have thought that made a lot of sense at one time.


Well at least until he got 20 years for murdering a man who saw this radicalized idiot yelling at his family and pushed him down.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

here's something to think about when talking about "civil war"...a lot of gun statistics are from polls, and they don't do a lot of those polls in the inner city. the statistics say about 25% of blacks and latinos own guns, but i'm betting that number is significantly higher, as most of them haven't been polled, and if they were they had very little reason to be honest, and plenty of reasons to lie.
most gun owners are white men who live in rural settings...if and when they "rise up" and come to the city, they're going to be in for a big surprise...they're going to be facing armed minorities that know if these people win, they're going to suffer for it. armed minorities who grew up in the areas they will be fighting in, many of whom are in their own "armed militias"...called gangs...
while i don't consider myself either a democrat or a republikan, i tend to lean towards the more liberal philosophy...and i'm armed. most of the democrats i know are armed. gun ownership may be more prevalent among republikans, but they do not own all the guns, by a long shot.
if they try an armed take over, i see about a week of very bloody fighting, and then the few of them that survive will creep back to their shacks in the woods, and try to act like they didn't participate.....

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/diversity-inclusion/546454-gun-ownership-among-black-americans-is-soaring

 

[CatHedral]

Wine snobs rarely complain that the pouring and drinking of merlot is somehow immoral or indicates a character flaw.

"Yeah, I smoke two grams of shatter a day but YOUR smoking that vial of crack means you steal from your grandma and can't possibly contain a single coherent thought in you addled brain pan."

I see. I didn’t think of your original formulation as being about morality.

That said, have you ever hung with serious wine snobs? I have, during a brief affluent period during which I chased some viticultural unicorns, and I remember two who displayed a positively moral horror. There is something of the permanently disapproving church spinster about some of them.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I see. I didn’t think of your original formulation as being about morality.

That said, have you ever hung with serious wine snobs? I have, during a brief affluent period during which I chased some viticultural unicorns, and I remember two who displayed a positively moral horror. There is something of the permanently disapproving church spinster about some of them.

those people exist, and they aren't confined to wine snobbery...go to a car show and start making inaccurate statements about a well known vehicle, you'll see the same look of horror and then get the same stern lecture about the facts as you would from wine snobs, or model railway snobs, or bottle cap collectors....

 

[HGCC]

because culture is what they're afraid of...the color of who they hate isn't irrelevant, but what they really hate is that those people are different, and they're afraid the new people will bring their new way of thinking and doing things and the new people might be better at something than they are, and then their whole platform built on the supremacy of white people falls the fuck apart...

Makes me sad as I love other cultures. It's cool and makes life worth living. Go meet people different than you are and see how they do stuff and how they approach life. Maybe they do something you like and you can borrow from, maybe not. It isnt right/wrong or anything being better, it's about choice and variety.

These assholes want me to buy tacos and pizza at McDonald's. Fuck off with that, I want the good shit.

 

[injinji]

Yup I do find that the majority of the time most animals are way more afraid of you then you them. But yes there are exceptions. Black bears with Cubs can be a very precarious situation here so we always make lots of noise so we don’t surprise them. There is a sow and 2 cubs that hang out here in the spring and summer but you don’t see them much. Lots of coyotes but if they see you their gone at lightning speed lol. Pretty much leave all the animals alone, did a lot of killing as a kid .

I have a funny story about a black bear with a cub. This was years ago when I grew on some timber land near a friend's house. I had a patch with 13 holes that I called New England. In those days I always carried my rifle when checking on my plants. New England was about a mile from my friend's house and I had to cross a couple three branches (small creeks) to get there. The trail was real close to private property so I was being very quiet coming in. I got to the patch, propped my rifle against a tree, got down on one knee and started adding ferts to the plants. The patch was in palmettos, and suddenly it sounded like a dozen men were charging through the palmettos. I took off running, leaving my rifle behind. But I only got about 10 yards before I pulled a hamstring and had to stop. Then the sound repeated, but this time I got a whiff of bear. She bluff charged one more time and I saw her and the cub. I was never so happy to see a bear in my life. I did tend the 13 holes in New England, but I didn't check any of the other patches. I had to wade the branches going back, since I couldn't jump over them.

I walk at night and it's not uncommon to get real close to the coyotes. But you never see them in the day light.

As far as what scares me when walking, it is dogs.

 

[injinji]

this is a different time, a different society, than when the constitution was written. they had no idea what this country would evolve into. weapons were single shot, someone well practiced might be able to get off a round every 45 seconds or so. there was no chance of a mass shooting, unless you were shooting catatonic paraplegics...
i have no idea what they would have said differently if they had known what was coming, but i'm sure they would have said something different than what they did.
the constitution calls for a well regulated militia, because at that time, there was no easy, fast way for armies to travel, and outlying towns and villages had to be able to protect themselves until help could arrive, if it was coming at all. it's too bad they were so vague with the terminology...a " well regulated militia" to some means a body akin to the national guard, to be called out in emergency, and commanded by "officers" they all knew and respected. to others, it can mean a bunch of fat old assholes who may or may not have had military training 20+ years ago, and who get together once a month to shoot each other with paint balls and then talk about what they'll do to the jews, blacks, hispanics, and gays once they're finally in charge.
i tend to lean towards the "national guard" scenario...

The SCOTUS says the National Guard is the only "militia" with powers to do what militias do. And until 2008 they said that the right to bear arms wasn't an individual right. Keep in mind that arms means nuclear powered aircraft carriers among many other things.

 

[HGCC]

Coyotes are kinda bold here and i see them walking around during the summer, just give them a wide berth. I always debate throwing a rock or something to scare them off, they snatch pets from yards, but eh, they were here first and don't generally bother people. It is bad they aren't afraid of people. We have interesting wildlife vs people encounters for being a hardcore suburban environment. Bears, mountain lions, bobcats, and Coyotes are kind of common and get in yards. I get giddy like a kid when bears show up at Costco.

 

[injinji]

"If abused to the point of addiction" apply that to any drug. And it does apply to pot as well.

I've seen that countless times as well.

My point applies to those who are willing to twist up four of five in a day casting aspersions on the dude putting a quarter a gram of meth in his face in in the same period.

" your drug is evil, mine is ok, that makes you a moral cripple and me ever so superior"

I do smoke too much weed. I'm 60 years old, and have been smoking since I was 13, so I can feel it high up in my back when my lungs are having a bad day. But ten years from now I will most likely still be smoking too much weed. But someone doing meth for 40 years is a rarity. If they are still alive, their face tells the story of their addiction.

 

[hanimmal]

We have a pack of coyotes around my place that are pretty bold. I love though when a siren goes off and they get howling, and my pack of dogs lose their shit and run to the back of our property and howl right back at them.

As for the drugs, it sucks but really seems like everything has consequences. The worst addiction of all (try to stop and see what your body does) is eating, there is no escape.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Why do people carry?

A wise man once said, ”there comes a time in every man's life when he stops bustin' knuckles and starts bustin' caps and usually it's when he becomes too old to take an ass whoopin.”

I don't carry a gun to kill people.
I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people.
I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I'm paranoid.
I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world
.
I don't carry a gun because I'm evil.
I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world.

I don't carry a gun because I hate the government.
I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don't carry a gun because I'm angry.
I carry a gun so that I don't have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don't carry a gun because I want to shoot someone.
I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't carry a gun to make me feel like a man.
I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don't carry a gun because I feel inadequate.
I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don't carry a gun because I love it.
I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

Police protection is an oxymoron.
Free citizens must protect themselves.

 

[CatHedral]

I dunno,

Maybe we could make this less complicated by invoking the "well regulated" part of 2A. It got us through more than 200 years. Only the last decade or so did our conservative court forget to read that first bit.

In the language of the framers, well-regulated meant nothing about regulations in the modern sense of legal restrictions. It was a practical thing. A well-regulated militia is composed of men who have trained with and maintained their arms, and have learned fire and volley discipline.

This does not mean I oppose any gun restrictions. Our society is not comparable to where we were in the mid-18th. We need to elaborate modern reasons for gun laws. But we cannot legitimately use our anachronistic reading of that phrase as having legal power.

 

[hanimmal]

In the spirit of the bear convo.

 

[CatHedral]

We have a pack of coyotes around my place that are pretty bold. I love though when a siren goes off and they get howling, and my pack of dogs lose their shit and run to the back of our property and howl right back at them.

As for the drugs, it sucks but really seems like everything has consequences. The worst addiction of all (try to stop and see what your body does) is eating, there is no escape.

The haha is not for the second paragraph. You can quit cigs or booze, but you cannot quit food. That is indeed a long-term battle, while simple drug cessation is a matter of days or weeks. I’m grateful that I didn’t go down that rabbit hole. I know people who did, and only sustained iron discipline does the job.

 

[hanimmal]

The haha is not for the second paragraph. You can quit cigs or booze, but you cannot quit food. That is indeed a long-term battle, while simple drug cessation is a matter of days or weeks. I’m grateful that I didn’t go down that rabbit hole. I know people who did, and only sustained iron discipline does the job.

I lol at it all the time too. They really fucking hate them. I would feel pretty bad if one was stupid enough to jump in my back yard.

 

[Budley Doright]

"If abused to the point of addiction" apply that to any drug. And it does apply to pot as well.

I've seen that countless times as well.

My point applies to those who are willing to twist up four of five in a day casting aspersions on the dude putting a quarter a gram of meth in his face in in the same period.

" your drug is evil, mine is ok, that makes you a moral cripple and me ever so superior"

Well I used to twist up 4 or 5 a day and trust me that was a way better lifestyle that 5-6 rocks an hour . Didnt take me long (thank-god) to figure out the rocks were a nightmare waiting to happen. So yes I do think some drugs are evil, for lack of a better term, but to clarify, it’s the drugs, not the people.

 

[CatHedral]

I lol at it all the time too. They really fucking hate them. I would feel pretty bad if one was stupid enough to jump in my back yard.

There’s a pair of yodeldogs working the undeveloped back 40. I keep a sharp eye out for them when I’m walking my terrier. This morning they both paralleled us for a bit, and I scooped pup up into my arms for the last coupla hundred yards.

 

[injinji]

We have a pack of coyotes around my place that are pretty bold. I love though when a siren goes off and they get howling, and my pack of dogs lose their shit and run to the back of our property and howl right back at them. . . . . . . . .

Here on the sandhill the rabbits and coyotes have an oscillating relationship when it comes to population. When the rabbit numbers go up, the coyote numbers go up. As they kill off more rabbits the coyotes have less offspring. Right now we have a lot of both.

The farm between the sandhill house and the riverhouse keeps hounds. Every night when it's feeding time they sound off. I do like to listen to the back and forth between the hounds and the coyotes.

 

[HGCC]

For a long time, and philosophically I am still there, I thought we should legalize all drugs. Personal responsibility and all that. Terrible idea in practice, just massively bad. There was sort of an effort towards legalizing everything, or rather they just quit enforcing rules like "don't shoot heroin on the sidewalk" or whatever and it's just turned into a gross nightmare.

 

[injinji]

For a long time, and philosophically I am still there, I thought we should legalize all drugs. Personal responsibility and all that. Terrible idea in practice, just massively bad. There was sort of an effort towards legalizing everything, or rather they just quit enforcing rules like "don't shoot heroin on the sidewalk" or whatever and it's just turned into a gross nightmare.

Yep. 100K opioid deaths in a year. If not for covid it would lead the news most nights.