January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

DIY-HP-LED

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It is a near certainty that Merrick Garland and the top DOJ officials read the above article and are well aware of the building heat and opinions of the DOJ alumni. Soon Garland might have to answer in congress for his inaction, so he'd better have a good story, eventually he will have to answer to history, so will Joe for not lighting a fire under his ass. I still think he wants to wait out NY state more than congress and knows that once they indict Trump there he's gone for good and will be pinned down and easy prey. Waiting to drive this stuff into an election year is the only thing I can figure, not just the DOJ has been slow in investigating the insurrection, the house committee got off to a kinda slow start too. However everything looks due to come to a head in 2022, Trump's trials in NY, the insurrection report and criminal referrals will all happen in an election year. The public quickly forgets stuff and will need some reminders in 2022 and this will throw it into the news cycle continuously. Donald going to prison in NY next summer might have a stunning effect on republican turn out, especially if he turns on them on his way down
 

CatHedral

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It is a near certainty that Merrick Garland and the top DOJ officials read the above article and are well aware of the building heat and opinions of the DOJ alumni. Soon Garland might have to answer in congress for his inaction, so he'd better have a good story, eventually he will have to answer to history, so will Joe for not lighting a fire under his ass. I still think he wants to wait out NY state more than congress and knows that once they indict Trump there he's gone for good and will be pinned down and easy prey. Waiting to drive this stuff into an election year is the only thing I can figure, not just the DOJ has been slow in investigating the insurrection, the house committee got off to a kinda slow start too. However everything looks due to come to a head in 2022, Trump's trials in NY, the insurrection report and criminal referrals will all happen in an election year. The public quickly forgets stuff and will need some reminders in 2022 and this will throw it into the news cycle continuously. Donald going to prison in NY next summer might have a stunning effect on republican turn out, especially if he turns on them on his way down
The delays might be tactically good, but strategically they are not. They communicate impotence.
 

schuylaar

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Will Donald Trump Get Away With Inciting an Insurrection?
By Laurence H. Tribe, Donald Ayer and Dennis Aftergut
Mr. Tribe taught constitutional law at Harvard for 50 years. Merrick Garland was one of his students. Mr. Ayer oversaw criminal prosecutions and investigations as Ronald Reagan’s U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of California. He later served as deputy attorney general. Mr. Aftergut handled a number of complex investigations and prosecutions as a federal prosecutor in San Francisco.


In his nine months in office, Attorney General Merrick Garland has done a great deal to restore integrity and evenhanded enforcement of the law to an agency that was badly misused for political reasons under his predecessor. But his place in history will be assessed against the challenges that confronted him. And the overriding test that he and the rest of the government face is the threat to our democracy from people bent on destroying it.

Mr. Garland’s success depends on ensuring that the rule of law endures. That means dissuading future coup plotters by holding the leaders of the insurrection fully accountable for their attempt to overthrow the government. But he cannot do so without a robust criminal investigation of those at the top, from the people who planned, assisted or funded the attempt to overturn the Electoral College vote to those who organized or encouraged the mob attack on the Capitol. To begin with, he might focus on Mark Meadows, Steve Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, John Eastman and even Donald Trump — all of whom were involved, in one way or another, in the events leading up to the attack.

Almost a year after the insurrection, we have yet to see any clear indicators that such an investigation is underway, raising the alarming possibility that this administration may never bring charges against those ultimately responsible for the attack.

While the Justice Department has filed charges against more than 700 people who participated in the violence, limiting the investigation to these foot soldiers would be a grave mistake: As Joanne Freeman, a Yale historian, wrote this month about the insurrection, “Accountability — the belief that political power holders are responsible for their actions and that blatant violations will be addressed — is the lifeblood of democracy. Without it, there can be no trust in government, and without trust, democratic governments have little power.”

The legal path to investigate the leaders of the coup attempt is clear. The criminal code prohibits inciting an insurrection or “giving aid or comfort” to those who do, as well as conspiracy to forcibly “prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States.” The code also makes it a crime to corruptly impede any official proceeding or deprive citizens of their constitutional right to vote.

Based purely on what we know today from news reports and the steady stream of revelations coming from the House select committee investigating the attack, the attorney general has a powerful justification for a robust and forceful investigation into the former president and his inner circle. As White House chief of staff, Mark Meadows was intimately involved in the effort to overturn the election. He traveled to Georgia last December, where he apparently laid the groundwork for the phone call in which the president pressured Georgia’s secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, to “find 11,780 votes.” Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio reportedly promoted a scheme to pressure Vice President Mike Pence to reject duly certified Joe Biden electors. And from their war room at the Willard Hotel, several members of the president’s inner circle hatched the legal strategy to overturn the results of the election.

The president himself sat back for three hours while his chief of staff was barraged with messages from members of Congress and Fox News hosts pleading with him to have Mr. Trump call off the armed mob whose violent passion he had inflamed. That evidence, on its own, may not be enough to convict the former president, but it is certainly enough to require a criminal investigation.

And yet there are no signs, at least in media reports, that the attorney general is building a case against these individuals — no interviews with top administration officials, no reports of attempts to persuade the foot soldiers to turn on the people who incited them to violence. By this point in the Russia investigation, the special counsel Robert Mueller had indicted Paul Manafort and Rick Gates and secured the cooperation of George Papadopoulos after charging him with lying to the F.B.I. The media was reporting that the special counsel’s team had conducted or scheduled interviews with Mr. Trump’s aides Stephen Miller and Mr. Bannon, as well as Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Of course, there is no way to know for sure whether Mr. Garland’s Department of Justice is investigating the leaders of the attack behind closed doors. Justice Department policy does not permit announcing investigations, absent exceptional circumstances. Mr. Garland, unlike his predecessor, plays by the book, keeping quiet about investigations until charges are filed. But the first of the rioters to plead guilty began cooperating with the Justice Department back in April. If prosecutors have been using their cooperation to investigate the top officials and operatives responsible for the siege of the Capitol and our democracy, there would likely be significant confirmation in the media by now.

It is possible that the department is deferring the decision about starting a full-blown investigative effort pending further work by the House select committee. It is even conceivable that the department is waiting for the committee’s final report so that federal prosecutors can review the documents, interviews and recommendations amassed by House investigators and can consider any potential referrals for criminal prosecution.

But such an approach would come at a very high cost. In the prosecution business, interviews need to happen as soon as possible after the events in question, to prevent both forgetfulness and witness coordination to conceal the truth. A comprehensive Department of Justice probe of the leadership is now more urgently needed than ever.

It is also imperative that Mr. Trump be included on the list of those being investigated. The media has widely reported his role in many of the relevant events, and there is no persuasive reason to exclude him.

First, he has no claim to constitutional immunity from prosecution. The Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel has recognized such immunity only for sitting presidents because a criminal trial would prevent them from discharging the duties of their office. Mr. Trump no longer has those duties to discharge.

Nor is exclusion of the former president remotely justified by the precedent President Gerald Ford set in pardoning Richard Nixon to help the country “heal” from Watergate. Even our proud tradition of not mimicking banana republics by allowing political winners to retaliate against losers must give way in the wake of violence perpetrated to thwart the peaceful transition of power. Refusing to at least investigate those who plot to end democracy — and who would remain engaged in efforts to do so — would be beyond foolhardy.

Furthermore, the pending state and local investigations in New York and Atlanta will never be able to provide the kind of accountability the nation clearly needs. The New York case, which revolves around tax fraud, has nothing to do with the attack on our government. The Atlanta district attorney appears to be probing Mr. Trump’s now infamous call to Mr. Raffensperger. But that is just one chapter of the wrongdoing that led up to the attack on the Capitol.

Significantly, even if the Atlanta district attorney is able to convict Mr. Meadows and Mr. Trump for interfering in Georgia’s election, they could still run for office again. Only convicting them for participating in an insurrection would permanently disqualify them from office under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Some have expressed pessimism that the Department of Justice would be able to convict Mr. Trump. His guilt would ultimately be for a jury to decide, and some jurors might believe he deluded himself into believing his own big lie and thus genuinely thought he was saving, rather than sabotaging, the election. But concerns about a conviction are no reason to refrain from an investigation. If anything, a federal criminal investigation could unearth even more evidence and provide a firmer basis for deciding whether to indict.

To decline from the outset to investigate would be appeasement, pure and simple, and appeasing bullies and wrongdoers only encourages more of the same. Without forceful action to hold the wrongdoers to account, we will likely not resist what some retired generals see as a march to another insurrection in 2024 if Mr. Trump or another demagogue loses.

Throughout his public life, Mr. Garland has been a highly principled public servant focused on doing the right thing. But only by holding the leaders of the Jan. 6 insurrection — all of them — to account can he secure the future and teach the next generation that no one is above the law. If he has not done so already, we implore the attorney general to step up to that task.
why stop at the Presidency? I think all sports franchises should now, when they lose, just say they didn't- they've decided they won.

anything that has contest, when you lose, just say you won.

winner winner chicken dinner.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Even so, Mr. Tribe saw the need to publish that strongly worded letter now. I think that the nation’s morale needs visible forward motion. Why a special prosecutor hasn’t been designated, I don’t know.
Yep, a special prosecutor like Mueller at least and preferably an independent special counsel. Mitch wants to limit damage to the house and his political enemies in the GOP and Liz Cheney is kinda working for him in part. Fortunately their enemies in the GOP also happen to be the enemies of America, Trump sycophants and guilty as sin.
 

schuylaar

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Even so, Mr. Tribe saw the need to publish that strongly worded letter now. I think that the nation’s morale needs visible forward motion. Why a special prosecutor hasn’t been designated, I don’t know.
agreed; no one is more pissed than myself because my SSDI application which was submitted in Florida 4/19 is still not complete as of today12/21; i was termed 9/18 from my job for being a liability by having seizures on the job. i was a top rep earning their highest award in the first six months of employment. many spend their whole career at that job and don't make it. they kicked me to the curb- NC company no package; nothing. ripped my insurance away immediately so i couldn't get diagnosed with Neuro (it takes a long time) and had to move across the country to a blue state for Medicaid.

Trump had his SSA Goon stop processing everything except the current checks going out..they literally didn't start the claim (for real) until 4/21.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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One thing is for sure, the only thing Merrick Garland will be remembered for was his moral failure to bring Trump and insurrectionist to justice, if he doesn't act. It would be almost obstructing justice if the DOJ didn't investigate and indict those involved in the insurrection, even Trump. He will go down in history as a failure in the AG job, yeah justice is impartial, but the AG is the sword and shield of the republic and constitution and he has a duty to pursue all enemies foreign (mostly the CIA and army's job) and domestic, which is almost exclusively his job. There is no impartiality here, he is suppose to be on the side of the constitution and republic, in fact, it's warrior, not coddling traitors, seditionists and insurrectionists that a child could convict with the mountain of evidence unearthed already.

So unless Merrick surprises folks with some brilliant legal moves, history and his profession will not be kind to him, if he let's the ringleaders skip, he will have an awful lot of pissed legal peers who will call him a pussy to his face! He can at least appoint a special prosecutor like Muller and hand it off to them. As I stated, the only reason I can see for delay in the DOJ and congress is to drive the shitstorm of accountability into 2022, an election year. Another reason is to give NY state time to deal with Donald, the feds want clean hands there and must know Donald is done when NY indicts him. There will be plenty of time to deal with Donald federally while he's sitting in a NY state prison.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Another thing, there was a recently released senate report on the pandemic that faults Trump and his minion's response. I'd look for criminal or civil action on that front too in 2022. That too seemed to be timed for action in the new year, along with the 1/6 report and Trump's private legal woes. It will be a busy year in court, Donald is gonna fuck a lot more lawyers before he's done, he's hard on them, they get in shit and don't get paid.

Donald exposed and attracted the political scum of America, from his racist base to corrupt Manchin and Sinema. When Donald goes down and if the DOJ does the right thing, they should be able to nail many of the leading scumbags in the GOP and clean out many assholes like Bannon and Stone. Donald was an asshole magnet, birds of a feather.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How AG Garland’s Handling Of Trump Could ‘Define’ His Legacy

Fmr. federal prosecutor Ankush Khardori joins Lawrence O’Donnell to discuss why he believes Attorney General Merrick Garland has a case for prosecuting Donald Trump for his role in January 6th insurrection.
 

Pmidg

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If people are still talking about this they don't have a clue what going on. Just a youtube setup. 600$ just weeks before, some plants to incite and camera work stupied people, a story is made and the misdirection is played it is easier to fool someone than to convince someone they have been fooled. Its all about scaring people into talking their own freedoms away no one the has plans to take over a country has a return flight. My youtube attitude changed the week before I thought it was pissed at me things started to come up that I was not able to find for months all in an inciteful way.
May sound funny but that the way I feel I've been wrong before.
 

CatHedral

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One thing is for sure, the only thing Merrick Garland will be remembered for was his moral failure to bring Trump and insurrectionist to justice, if he doesn't act. It would be almost obstructing justice if the DOJ didn't investigate and indict those involved in the insurrection, even Trump. He will go down in history as a failure in the AG job, yeah justice is impartial, but the AG is the sword and shield of the republic and constitution and he has a duty to pursue all enemies foreign (mostly the CIA and army's job) and domestic, which is almost exclusively his job. There is no impartiality here, he is suppose to be on the side of the constitution and republic, in fact, it's warrior, not coddling traitors, seditionists and insurrectionists that a child could convict with the mountain of evidence unearthed already.

So unless Merrick surprises folks with some brilliant legal moves, history and his profession will not be kind to him, if he let's the ringleaders skip, he will have an awful lot of pissed legal peers who will call him a pussy to his face! He can at least appoint a special prosecutor like Muller and hand it off to them. As I stated, the only reason I can see for delay in the DOJ and congress is to drive the shitstorm of accountability into 2022, an election year. Another reason is to give NY state time to deal with Donald, the feds want clean hands there and must know Donald is done when NY indicts him. There will be plenty of time to deal with Donald federally while he's sitting in a NY state prison.
Responding only to the first sentence, I’m willing to say it is too soon to say that.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Is this the kind of stuff that you enjoy watching during the holidays??

I hope you have a good Xmas beating off to the thought of trump lol
Happy Holidays asshole! A merry one for Gym Jordan too from the 1/6 panel.
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schuylaar

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Beautbudz

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Happy Holidays asshole! A merry one for Gym Jordan too from the 1/6 panel.
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I see you felt the need to show me how lame you are
 
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