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Roger A. Shrubber

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I know you’re not suggesting ending livestock, I am. I could get used to GMO burgers if it helped reduce infectious diseases and the environment, couldn’t you?

There are unsanitary conditions in Canada and the US too.
yes, i could, wouldn't be a hardship for me.
there are unsanitary conditions all over the world, and they all need to be addressed. this is the 21st century, there are no excuses for conditions like that to exist, especially not in developed, industrialized countries.
 

printer

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Study suggests omicron symptoms more mild due to less lung damage
A consortium of researchers from America and Japan released a study last month revealing omicron causes less damaging effects on the lungs, nose and throat. The study was conducted on mice and hamsters and is under review for publication in a Nature Portfolio journal.

In the study, researchers said omicron results in a "lower viral burden" in animals' upper respiratory systems, making its viral load and replication in those tracts milder and thus less damaging.

The study demonstrates "attenuated lung disease in rodents, which parallels preliminary human clinical data," researchers concluded.

The news follows data from South Africa, where omicron first emerged, showing the country had fewer hospitalizations and fewer deaths after a surge in confirmed coronavirus cases.

It also comes after a study last month published by the University of Hong Kong, which found omicron infects and multiplies 70 times faster than other variants but causes significantly less infection in the lungs.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Yes, people not able to buy their usual steaks or pork products will not jump on the tuna bandwagon. They would rather eat soy. How could I possibly miss that? After all, the tuna stocks only just recovered to the point of sustainability.
good point . If tuna has made a comeback we should bring it to the dinner table and support the tuna catchers. Same with gators and pythons. Make some hunting jobs for new cuisine. Gator , tuna and python burgers should replace the cow the chicken and pig for a while.
 

printer

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Republicans bashing AOC boyfriends feet

good point . If tuna has made a comeback we should bring it to the dinner table and support the tuna catchers. Same with gators and pythons. Make some hunting jobs for new cuisine. Gator , tuna and python burgers should replace the cow the chicken and pig for a while.
Lot of Florida jobs right there. DeSantis would be all over it.
 

Fogdog

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Sushi is my favourite. Fresh tuna is all I need, no livestock required.
I love me some sushi too. The Monterey Bay Aquarium has a good listing, showing which fisheries engage in sustainable eco friendly practices and which do not.


Tuna is problematic, depends on how its caught and species. I don't eat tuna in sushi restaurants because it's too hard to tell. Bluefin tuna are being overfished, regardless of method. Yellowfin tuna from domestic line fishing boats, on the other hand. mmm good. West coast US Albacore is delish.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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I love me some sushi too. The Monterey Bay Aquarium has a good listing, showing which fisheries engage in sustainable eco friendly practices and which do not.


Tuna is problematic, depends on how its caught and species. I don't eat tuna in sushi restaurants because it's too hard to tell. Bluefin tuna are being overfished, regardless of method. Yellowfin tuna from domestic line fishing boats, on the other hand. mmm good. West coast US Albacore is delish.
I eat Atlantic Salmon right now and had a super delish piece yesterday . Baked with salt and lemon .98145037-64DF-4FED-ADC9-CC4F62664CF5.jpeg
Every other morning lox for breakfast as well. I could live eating salmon everyday with no complaints .
duck trap is my favorite
 

CunningCanuk

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I love me some sushi too. The Monterey Bay Aquarium has a good listing, showing which fisheries engage in sustainable eco friendly practices and which do not.


Tuna is problematic, depends on how its caught and species. I don't eat tuna in sushi restaurants because it's too hard to tell. Bluefin tuna are being overfished, regardless of method. Yellowfin tuna from domestic line fishing boats, on the other hand. mmm good. West coast US Albacore is delish.
Good link. Thanks.

I love just about anything from the ocean but my favourite sushi restaurant’s spicy tuna maki rolls melt in your mouth.
 

injinji

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so there are no poetic souls in the west, and nothing but poetic souls in the east? that seems to presuppose a lot, from several different angles
Don't blame me, I'm just reporting the news. Grace Slick and those guys stuck that ear worm in me years ago. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw your post.
 

injinji

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good point . If tuna has made a comeback we should bring it to the dinner table and support the tuna catchers. Same with gators and pythons. Make some hunting jobs for new cuisine. Gator , tuna and python burgers should replace the cow the chicken and pig for a while.
Our old neighbors from when we lived in town moved to Homestead for his National Guard posting. They have got really involved in the python catching in the glades. He just retired from the Guard and they bought a cabin in the mountains of NC. But they are going back south twice a year to stay involved in the python program. You have to put in so many days in each quarter, so they go down for the end of one quarter and hunt snakes a couple three days, then hunt again in the first days of the next quarter. That way they only have to make two trips a year.

Pigs have their own set of problems, but let's remember that cows and sheep are the big greenhouse gas emitters. And for anyone wanting to eat less meat for moral reasons, chickens are raised in the worse living conditions, and are not killed in a humane way.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It looks like this might burn through by spring, but it could take longer in NS because of public health measures. We will see how bad it is, but if omicron is mild, the idea might catch on to expose oneself after getting boosted. You are gonna get it anyway, so it might as well be at a time of your choosing, while still protected from the worst. Being boosted and omicroned might be the most effective protection from delta!

It's contagiousness that wins Darwin's viral race, not virulence and this is how pandemics sometimes fade away, like magic, as Trump used to say...
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Reaching The Endgame Of The Covid Pandemic

Experts studying omicron say the majority of Americans, vaccinated or not, will come into contact with it over the next few months. It appears less severe and is likely pushing us closer to herd immunity, providing hope for a turning point in the pandemic.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Yep, if omicron is mild and protects from delta, you just know the wingnuts are gonna say the guberment created it to vaccinate them against their will! The reality might be they will have gotten off the hook cheap!
 

captainmorgan

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Omicron does far less damage to the lungs and that may be the main reason keeping hospitalizations lower than delta. As far as it being mild, I think that's bullshit. I've done a lot of reading on the damage covid does to the body, even with a asymptomatic infection. This virus literaly attacks everything including the brain and does permanent damage and is leaving byproducts behind that will cause future damage, mild covid is a oxymoron, this shit will shorten your life and take some points off your IQ.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Omicron does far less damage to the lungs and that may be the main reason keeping hospitalizations lower than delta. As far as it being mild, I think that's bullshit. I've done a lot of reading on the damage covid does to the body, even with a asymptomatic infection. This virus literaly attacks everything including the brain and does permanent damage and is leaving byproducts behind that will cause future damage, mild covid is a oxymoron, this shit will shorten your life and take some points off your IQ.
I tend to agree, but it looks like we are gonna get it, whether we want it or not. We will have to see how bad omicron is I guess, it's too early to tell at this point IMHO, but the professionals are optimistic. At some point we will have to go back to normal, whatever that will be, I figure masks will be with us for awhile though.

It might be good from a political point of view if this thing burns out by spring, one problem solved. Covid is gonna be a seasonal disease like the flu and like the flu we might need a shot in the fall to prime us for the holidays and winter.
 

captainmorgan

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This won't end as long is there is a large number of unvaccinated, spring is a pipe dream. As long as the virus has large number of people to infect it will be one variant after another. Even if you have a universal corona virus vaccine if a large number refuse it your just as screwed.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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One important -- and dangerous -- way the Omicron surge is different than previous surges in the US

(CNN)The US kicked off 2022 amid a massive Covid-19 case spike -- driven by the highly contagious Omicron variant -- that some experts warn will be different than any other time in the pandemic.

"What we have to understand is that our health system is at a very different place than we were in previous surges," professor of emergency medicine Dr. Esther Choo told CNN on Saturday. "We have extremely high numbers of just lost healthcare workers, we've lost at least 20% of our healthcare workforce, probably more."

"This strain is so infectious," Choo added, "that I think all of us know many, many colleagues who are currently infected or have symptoms and are under quarantine."

The high number of healthcare staff out with the virus will also have an impact on Americans' doctors appointments and could make for dangerous circumstances when people are hospitalized with Covid-19, Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of Baylor University's National School of Tropical Medicine, said Friday.

"That's a different type of one-two punch: people going into the hospitals ... and all of the healthcare workers are out of the workforce," he told CNN.

But the latest variant isn't just shrinking healthcare staff numbers. As the virus spreads like wildfire across American communities, staffing problems are already altering parts of daily life.

Plagued with staffing issues, New York City's Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) announced last week several subway lines were suspended.

In Ohio, the mayor of Cincinnati declared a state of emergency due to staffing shortages in the city's fire department following a rise in Covid-19 infections, saying in the declaration that if the problem goes unaddressed, it would "substantially undermine" first responders' readiness levels.
And in the middle of a busy holiday season, thousands of flights have been canceled or delayed as staff and crew call out sick.
"We're seeing a surge in patients again, unprecedented in this pandemic," Dr. James Phillips, chief of disaster medicine at George Washington University Hospital, warned on Saturday. "What's coming for the rest of the country could be very serious and they need to be prepared."
Vast majority of patients still the unvaccinated, expert says
Healthcare workers on the front lines of the pandemic say that unvaccinated Americans continue to drive Covid-19 hospitalizations in the latest surge, much like the summer surge, when the Delta variant was ravaging parts of the country.

Despite a year of calls from public health experts to get vaccinated -- and now boosted -- only about 62% of the US population is fully vaccinated, according to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

And about 33.4% of those who are fully vaccinated have received their booster doses, the data shows.
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"If you're unvaccinated, that's the group still at highest risk," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN Saturday. "The adults that are being admitted to my institution, the vast majority continue to be unvaccinated."

Dr. Catherine O'Neal, the chief medical officer at Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, said their facility has seen hospital admissions and emergency department visits triple in the past week.

"What we're seeing is that... our vaccinated patients aren't getting sick and our frail, multiple co-morbidities vaccinated patients do need admission, but their admissions are shorter and they're able to leave the hospital after several days," O'Neal said. "Our unvaccinated patients are the sickest patients, they're the patients most likely to be on the ventilator."

The hospital is stretched so thin by the surging numbers, they're concerned they may not be able to "take care of patients the way we want to take care of them by tomorrow," O'Neal added.

"We're running out of tests, we're running out of room, we're inundated in the ER," she added.
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