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DIY-HP-LED

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I don't need your pep talks, I know the Ukrainians are fierce fighters and will not give up but that doesn't change the fact that without outside direct intervention the cities will be destroyed and it will turn into a guerilla war with countless dead. Russia will have a hard time occupying the country after they destroy it but without direct intervention they will destroy it.
I agree with some of what you are saying, but they will not take the western part of the Ukraine, if they don't do it soon. I believe based on expert opinion and news reports that Russia will loose this war and as long as the Ukrainians hold territory it won't be over, though the partisan fight will not be over behind their lines until the Russians are gone. It will spread to Belarus and other former republics too, they've seen Russian weakness and courage is contagious. Besides the CIA will be causing trouble now that they have a ticket in.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Opinion based on current events, I sometimes try to humanize things and insert some humor. Much of the current military assessment is based on recent news reports and expert opinion, bearing in mind the retired generals are on the team too. A look at the map after 10 days of war reveals a lot about the present situation and the out look for the future. What do you disagree with?
This is a classic proxy war?
That western Poland and other bordering nations will become a vast camp supporting Ukrainian military operations?
Air Ukraine will be flying supplies and arms in at a rapidly increasing rate?
The effect of stingers and modern anti tank weapons in stopping the Russian attacks?
The many Military Blunders the Russians are making?
The fact that Belarus has been propped up by Russian troops for months and is ripe for revolution?
The CIA won't be going nuts over this golden opportunity?
The assessment that the Ukrainians are sacrificing their cities for a greater purpose? (they have little choice).
That Vlad should not have cut off the borders with the west first and focused on that?
russia attacked Ukraine...in a proxy war, one country instigates a fight, and then sits back and doesn't get involved. We didn't instigate anything, perhaps china or some other country did, behind the scenes, but i don't think anyone in the US or the EU did.
western Poland could be used for a staging ground, if they agree to it. They seem to be ok with it for now, but how long will they remain agreeable to it? thats a lot of farm land that's going to become quite valuable as food supplies dwindle
russia has 5 times as many active military, and ten times the number of attack aircraft and helicopters...the fact the Ukrainians aren't all dead now is only due to putin's completely inexplicable behavior. he could have prepared so much better, limited the internet access of active service people, bombarded them with propaganda, got them ramped up to attack...given them clear orders, clear targets, and immediately set up secure supply lines...the Ukraines would have been screwed, brave and determined as they are.
he made EVERY mistake he could have made, and that makes me very suspicious...i do not believe he is that stupid, or that insane. i just hope he is
 

printer

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Ukraine Puts Off Evacuation of Key Port Besieged by Russian Forces

 
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DIY-HP-LED

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russia attacked Ukraine...in a proxy war, one country instigates a fight, and then sits back and doesn't get involved. We didn't instigate anything, perhaps china or some other country did, behind the scenes, but i don't think anyone in the US or the EU did.
western Poland could be used for a staging ground, if they agree to it. They seem to be ok with it for now, but how long will they remain agreeable to it? thats a lot of farm land that's going to become quite valuable as food supplies dwindle
russia has 5 times as many active military, and ten times the number of attack aircraft and helicopters...the fact the Ukrainians aren't all dead now is only due to putin's completely inexplicable behavior. he could have prepared so much better, limited the internet access of active service people, bombarded them with propaganda, got them ramped up to attack...given them clear orders, clear targets, and immediately set up secure supply lines...the Ukraines would have been screwed, brave and determined as they are.
he made EVERY mistake he could have made, and that makes me very suspicious...i do not believe he is that stupid, or that insane. i just hope he is
It ain't all gonna go according to plan, this is war and plans go to shit pretty quick when the shit flies. The Russians have mighty forces, at least on paper, but there is an old tradition in Russia called the Puskin Potemkin village and I suspect Vlad's military is mostly that, a Pushkin Potemkin Village with elite units.

It is best we stay out of this the Russians could suddenly find a spine, better they are beaten by their little Slavic brothers supported by us. Summer is coming and along with that will come heavily armed partisans roaming freely among Russian supplies and logistical support. Only about a third of the troops will be combat troops and they will be at the tip of the advance, blunted by blown bridges and an increasing rain of Javelins and NLAWs stopping armor, while stinger keep tactical air support at bay. All their logistical shit stops and backs up, strung out on the roads in partisan areas.

I'm no military expert, but I do have an interest in tactics, strategy, history, military technology and affairs. I read and hear what the experts say. I also have seen plenty of proxy wars and know the military power NATO can provide to the Ukrainians. This is also leading to a reassessment in NATO, they know they can easily defeat the Russian army in a conventional war now.
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It ain't all gonna go according to plan, this is war and plans go to shit pretty quick when the shit flies. The Russians have mighty forces, at least on paper, but there is an old tradition in Russia called the Puskin village and I suspect Vlad's military is mostly that, a Pushkin Village with elite units.

It is best we stay out of this the Russians could suddenly find a spine, better they are beaten by their little Slavic brothers supported by us. Summer is coming and along with that will come heavily armed partisans roaming freely among Russian supplies and logistical support. Only about a third of the troops will be combat troops and they will be at the tip of the advance, blunted by blown bridges and an increasing rain of Javelins and NLAWs stopping armor, while stinger keep tactical air support at bay. All their logistical shit stops and backs up, strung out on the roads in partisan areas.

I'm no military expert, but I do have an interest in tactics, strategy, history, military technology and affairs. I read and hear what the experts say. I also have seen plenty of proxy wars and know the military power NATO can provide to the Ukrainians. This is also leading to a reassessment in NATO, they know they can easily defeat the Russian army in a conventional war now.
Potemkin villages
 

printer

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Germany Advances Natural Gas Plans to Cut Russian Exposure

 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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Moscow Seeks US Guarantees Before Backing Iran Nuclear Deal
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Saturday that Moscow is demanding guarantees from the U.S. before backing the Iran nuclear deal, citing the current wave of Western sanctions against Russia.

Lavrov said that the nuclear talks have covered most issues and "from our point of view, if Iran agrees, this document can already be launched into the acceptance process."

But he added that there are "problems that have appeared recently from the point of view of Russia's interests", due to concerns over the terms of the deal concerning Moscow's involvement in the civilian nuclear sector in Iran and arms sales to Tehran.
Lavrov cited the "avalanche of aggressive sanctions that the West has started spewing out, which hasn't ended as far as I understand," over the Ukraine conflict.

He said this meant Moscow had to ask the US for guarantees first, requiring a "clear answer" that the new sanctions will not affect its rights under the nuclear deal.

"We requested that our US colleagues ... give us written guarantees at the minimum level of Secretary of State that the current (sanctions) process launched by the U.S. will not in any way harm our right to free, fully-fledged trade and economic and investment cooperation and military-technical cooperation with Iran," Lavrov said at a news conference.
free, fully-fledged trade and economic and investment cooperation and military-technical cooperation with Iran...
sure, as soon as sanctions against you are dropped...until then...no, no trade, no investments, no cooperation...and if Iran doesn't like it, they can have some sanctions too...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Potemkin villages
I should amend the above, not just NATO knows it can defeat the Russians in a conventional land war, Germany does now too. Hence their rearmament, nobody needs to go nuclear to stop the Russians, the Germans will be able to do it alone soon. They might also want to rethink the value of citizen defense, just in case.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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free, fully-fledged trade and economic and investment cooperation and military-technical cooperation with Iran...
sure, as soon as sanctions against you are dropped...until then...no, no trade, no investments, no cooperation...and if Iran doesn't like it, they can have some sanctions too...
Part of the Iran deal is to fuck Russia and open the flood gates of oil to China, of course they won't like it, too bad, they don't have much of a say any more.
 

Kerowacked

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If putin had only said he wanted to prevent leftover ukrainian nukes from falling into islamic radical hands, nato would have held the door open for his army.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If martial law doesn't indicate weakness, nothing does, it's only been ten days of war so far and old men are being recalled to military service from the far east. The economy is in free fall, government salaries, pensions and private wages are becoming worthless, the country groans under the strain.
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The Russians leaving their country for Finland - BBC News

Some Russian people are anxious to get out of the country because there has been a persistent rumour that President Vladimir Putin's government might soon introduce martial law to deal with demonstrations against the invasion of Ukraine.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Win in the Ukraine, then Belarus and eventually get responsible government in Russia and then liberal democracy and we can save a lot of money on defense. We can also concentrate against Chinese expansion, but the lesson learned here about global sanctions won't be forgotten in China. They won't risk going after Taiwan for awhile now!
 

printer

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If putin had only said he wanted to prevent leftover ukrainian nukes from falling into islamic radical hands, nato would have held the door open for his army.
There are no left over nukes, Ukraine would have pulled them out as a deterrent. Get a life.
 
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