Poland willing to give Ukraine Mig 29s

Friendly_Grower

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Poland will hand over to Ukraine their Mig 29s If USA will back-fill with American aircraft.

That's a good deal. Upgrading Poland's air force while sending planes to Ukraine that Ukrainian pilots know how to fly.

All we have to wait for now is Tucker Carlson to spew. Well that and Pro Russia Republicans to spew as well.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Friendly_Grower said:
Yeah we are going to pay for replacement planes for a NATO member (Poland) who is giving their MIG 29s to Ukraine.
Hand-me-downs?
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The Russians will pay the most in this war, of course NATO wants to use NATO planes, all the spares for Mig 29s are made in Russia, but they are good planes! It's ironic that most of the Russians will be killed by small arms they built and paid for! NATO has millions of small arms from AK47s to the RPGs all left over from former Warsaw pac countries who are now allies. Even the Ukrainians have a lot as they transitioned to new equipment. Soon the Ukrainians can have a million or more men at arms with these old work horses and have the Russian end zone filled with partisans armed to the teeth, they even use captured Russian ammo and will make the Russians logistics Hell. Most men there are familiar with these weapons, especially the older ones and they will be training the young and fit. the Russians have no secure lines and convoys of trucks are bringing them deep into the country near fighting areas with little difficulty and soon there will be Ukrainian C130 transports landing on highways at night deep inside eastern Ukraine and near Kyiv full of supplies and weapons. The Ukrainians will own the air at low level over friendly ground and there is a lot of it so far.
 
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DIY-HP-LED said:
The Russians will pay the most in this war, of course NATO wants to use NATO planes, all the spares for Mig 29s are made in Russia, but they are good planes! It's ironic that most of the Russians will be killed by small arms they built and paid for! NATO has millions of small arms from AK47s to the RPGs all left over from former Warsaw pac countries who are now allies. Even the Ukrainians have a lot as they transitioned to new equipment. Soon the Ukrainians can have a million or more men at arms with these old work horses and have the Russian end zone filled with partisans armed to the teeth, they even use captured Russian ammo and will make the Russians logistics Hell. Most men there are familiar with these weapons, especially the older ones and they will be training the young and fit. the Russians have no secure lines and convoys of trucks are bringing them deep into the country near fighting areas with little difficulty and soon there will be Ukrainian C130 transports landing on highways at night deep inside eastern Ukraine and near Kyiv full of supplies and weapons. The Ukrainians will own the air at low level over friendly ground and there is a lot of it so far.
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I believe Poland can Gift the old MIGS but cannot gift ammunition of any kind with them. Doing so would be "crossing the line into War" For NATO.
 
zeddd

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I think we need to spit in Putin’s face, it’s only time before a nfz is imposed but we seem to need to wait until Russia massacres millions in Kyiv before that happens, so send in the Polish planes fully loaded imo
 
Friendly_Grower

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zeddd said:
I think we need to spit in Putin’s face, it’s only time before a nfz is imposed but we seem to need to wait until Russia massacres millions in Kyiv before that happens, so send in the Polish planes fully loaded imo
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From what I am watching we can't even step one toe over the line there or it becomes War of Russia vs NATO. So a NFZ is out unless we are ready to go full nuclear war with Russia.
Putin is even crying about other things happening such as the Bank lockouts from SWIFT and if more of their economy gets shutdown Putin said that will be war by NATO
 
hanimmal

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Friendly_Grower said:
From what I am watching we can't even step one toe over the line there or it becomes War of Russia vs NATO. So a NFZ is out unless we are ready to go full nuclear war with Russia.
Putin is even crying about other things happening such as the Bank lockouts from SWIFT and if more of their economy gets shutdown Putin said that will be war by NATO
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Everything Putin has been calling an 'act of war' is shit that he has been doing to us for years.

Fuck him.

Biden has been showing that the American intelligence community has a really strong grasp of what Putin has been doing all along and is doing well with making sure all the allies are working together to isolate the Russian military. So if there is a way to get this done (which Blinken said there was yesterday), my guess is that Biden will make sure it is.

Putin lost this already. It is just a matter of how much of a brat he is going to be as he is forced to deal with that fact.
 
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hanimmal said:
Everything Putin has been calling an 'act of war' is shit that he has been doing to us for years.

Fuck him.

Biden has been showing that the American intelligence community has a really strong grasp of what Putin has been doing all along and is doing well with making sure all the allies are working together to isolate the Russian military. So if there is a way to get this done (which Blinken said there was yesterday), my guess is that Biden will make sure it is.

Putin lost this already. It is just a matter of how much of a brat he is going to be as he is forced to deal with that fact.
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Yeah. The Sanctions and seizures are just getting started.
Nothing gets one's attention like taking their money.

So far, as you say, there seems to be a solid plan under Biden. Just think what would be under Trump.
I bet Trump would do basically nothing and blame NATO for the invasion.
 
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hanimmal said:
Everything Putin has been calling an 'act of war' is shit that he has been doing to us for years.

Fuck him.

Biden has been showing that the American intelligence community has a really strong grasp of what Putin has been doing all along and is doing well with making sure all the allies are working together to isolate the Russian military. So if there is a way to get this done (which Blinken said there was yesterday), my guess is that Biden will make sure it is.

Putin lost this already. It is just a matter of how much of a brat he is going to be as he is forced to deal with that fact.
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Did I say sniper?
 
DIY-HP-LED

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hanimmal said:
Everything Putin has been calling an 'act of war' is shit that he has been doing to us for years.

Fuck him.

Biden has been showing that the American intelligence community has a really strong grasp of what Putin has been doing all along and is doing well with making sure all the allies are working together to isolate the Russian military. So if there is a way to get this done (which Blinken said there was yesterday), my guess is that Biden will make sure it is.

Putin lost this already. It is just a matter of how much of a brat he is going to be as he is forced to deal with that fact.
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It's not just the war in Ukraine Putin lost, he lost the spy war and I'll bet his focus will be there. Ukraine provides a launching pad deep into Vlad's empire with lot's of potential human resources for the CIA and they will be going after Belarus and so will the Ukrainians. It also opens up the Black sea and the neighboring former republics are close by and this war puts the CIA right in the middle of the mess being created. Soon Vlad will have many fires to put out and stretch his resources, some of the guns going there will end up in these republics under Putin's thumb. Vlad opened the door for this shit, Ukraine is not a NATO member, it is an independent nation that does not fear Vlad since he's already doing everything he can to harm them.

A note: Vlad would have used tactical nukes already in Ukraine if he did not fear the consequences, he would have done it days ago when he knew he was not only loosing, but was being humiliated. Vlad just acts like a wild and crazy guy when it suits his purposes, he's not unstable, he's pissed and frustrated. He might be delusional, but aren't we all to some degree or another? He ain't nowhere near gone as a typical Trumper, but most dictators end up swallowing their own shit eventually, their own propaganda affects them too after a time.

Vlad's dreams are shattered, he even lost the spy game and Ukraine will bleed his army white and destroy much of his equipment that won't be replaced with a shattered economy in freefall. NATO is looking at this as an investment in the future and by the time Vlad is done his army will be destroyed and the threat removed, much of the perceived threat has been removed already. A little more than a year ago Vlad had the world by the nuts and the POTUS in his pocket, until Biden won the election. It must hurt like Hell to be so humiliated, he will be remembered for his blunders and ruining the country.
 
hanimmal

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DIY-HP-LED said:
It's not just the war in Ukraine Putin lost, he lost the spy war and I'll bet his focus will be there. Ukraine provides a launching pad deep into Vlad's empire with lot's of potential human resources for the CIA and they will be going after Belarus and so will the Ukrainians. It also opens up the Black sea and the neighboring former republics are close by and this war puts the CIA right in the middle of the mess being created. Soon Vlad will have many fires to put out and stretch his resources, some of the guns going there will end up in these republics under Putin's thumb. Vlad opened the door for this shit, Ukraine is not a NATO member, it is an independent nation that does not fear Vlad since he's already doing everything he can to harm them.

A note: Vlad would have used tactical nukes already in Ukraine if he did not fear the consequences, he would have done it days ago when he knew he was not only loosing, but was being humiliated. Vlad just acts like a wild and crazy guy when it suits his purposes, he's not unstable, he's pissed and frustrated. He might be delusional, but aren't we all to some degree or another? He ain't nowhere near gone as a typical Trumper, but most dictators end up swallowing their own shit eventually, their own propaganda affects them too after a time.

Vlad's dreams are shattered, he even lost the spy game and Ukraine will bleed his army white and destroy much of his equipment that won't be replaced with a shattered economy in freefall. NATO is looking at this as an investment in the future and by the time Vlad is done his army will be destroyed and the threat removed, much of the perceived threat has been removed already. A little more than a year ago Vlad had the world by the nuts and the POTUS in his pocket, until Biden won the election. It must hurt like Hell to be so humiliated, he will be remembered for his blunders and ruining the country.
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I think Putin lost, I don't think that means he is going to not be a threat going forward, or still very dangerous now.

I think that he wanted to destabilize NATO, while using this war to take over Ukraine (that he knew we couldn't go into guns blazing to defend them without triggering the Chinese, and giving him his pretext to use truly murderous tactics) in combination with his militarized trolling in our democratic nation's elections (French, American, Canadian (CON)voy's) and to distract from his previous attacks on our systems.

This is why I believe Putin lost. He might still get his two bullshit breakaway regions, and take some more of Ukraine, but it is going to cost him a lot to get it (like his nation's economy), and it is going to be very difficult to keep hold of it, and it is hardening us to his bullshit, and so far is not helping give China any reason to move closer to him.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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hanimmal said:
I think Putin lost, I don't think that means he is going to not be a threat going forward, or still very dangerous now.

I think that he wanted to destabilize NATO, while using this war to take over Ukraine (that he knew we couldn't go into guns blazing to defend them without triggering the Chinese, and giving him his pretext to use truly murderous tactics) in combination with his militarized trolling in our democratic nation's elections (French, American, Canadian (CON)voy's) and to distract from his previous attacks on our systems.

This is why I believe Putin lost. He might still get his two bullshit breakaway regions, and take some more of Ukraine, but it is going to cost him a lot to get it (like his nation's economy), and it is going to be very difficult to keep hold of it, and it is hardening us to his bullshit, and so far is not helping give China any reason to move closer to him.
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He made a lot of enemies and Zelenskiy made new friends, it all pivoted on his courage and that of his people, they were as prepare militarily as a responsible government could make them. Once the military analysts realized the Ukrainians not only had a chance, but could win, they went all in, Vlad's blunders and sadistic cruelty helped a lot with this. Once the CIA saw the attitude of the people, I'll bet their attitude changed too, but I'll bet they were gunning for Vlad for a spell. It's not just the CIA though, Europe has lot's of intelligence agencies there now, the more trouble they cause for Vlad in his own backyard the better. Death by a thousand cuts is another way to die.
 
hanimmal

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DIY-HP-LED said:
He made a lot of enemies and Zelenskiy made new friends, it all pivoted on his courage and that of his people, they were as prepare militarily as a responsible government could make them. Once the military analysts realized the Ukrainians not only had a chance, but could win, they went all in, Vlad's blunders and sadistic cruelty helped a lot with this. Once the CIA saw the attitude of the people, I'll bet their attitude changed too, but I'll bet they were gunning for Vlad for a spell. It's not just the CIA though, Europe has lot's of intelligence agencies there now, the more trouble they cause for Vlad in his own backyard the better. Death by a thousand cuts is another way to die.
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Biden has been pushing to block these attacks from Putin since we got out of Afghanistan, as admirable as the Ukrainian people have been in standing up to the dictator of Russia, this goes deeper than that.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/russians-running-yearslong-trolling-operation-to-project-their-blame-onto-ukraine.1000483/post-16823785



Biden was even willing to look like a fool when he announced Putin's plans for this war (because all Putin had to do was take a step back and he would have lost nothing and Biden would have lost his credibility).

We don't have any idea outside of what we have seen from Putin (his previous attacks on us, hearings, trials, and investigations here in the states and the UK), and what Biden has had strategically released about what is going on under the surface. So any predictions I have seen about how this is going to turn out, I really don't put much stock into.

But I do have faith that Biden is doing everything that he can to keep us out of a nuclear war and has far better information than anyone else on the planet.

 
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