Poland willing to give Ukraine Mig 29s

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Wait till the are captured and sent to The Hague, it will be much easier just to bury them.
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Nine of Putin's commanders killed in Ukraine

 
Paul Drake

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Friendly_Grower said:
I don't know.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy isn't doing Ukraine any favors as of today by "Banging on Closed Doors."
He is lashing out at the USA for not providing a NFZ which would start WWIII and he is trying to bite the hand that feeds Ukraine by demanding planes.

As it turns out, the USA doesn't have the F16s to replace what Poland would lose at this time so the deal is not good for Poland.
I totally get it. If Poland gives it's planes away that opens their back side for Putin.

So no USA will not ship F16s to Ukraine. For one, Ukraine pilots are not trained to fly F16s and two, that would be the same as if the USA was fighting Russia.

Unfortunately for Volodymyr Zelenskyy he is being a bad sport by barking back at the only people that are helping.

The honest truth is Ukraine can put up a good fight but they are no match for the Russian Army.
USA President Biden today said correctly that Putin can take a city but he cannot hold the country.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy needs to be ready to form a government in exile.
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DUMB ASS
 
Friendly_Grower

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CunningCanuk said:
Bombs are being dropped at will on his people, so I think we can forgive him for being a “bad sport”.
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Yes the distress and urgency is obvious however in diplomatic parlance having a tantrum is not helpful to his cause.
After all, as much as anyone would like to see Ukraine keep it's independence there are limits to what can be done.
Lines that cannot be crossed.
Politically embarrassing allies is not a smart move.
Remember the MIGs are not a done deal and the allies may be posturing to save face at this point and Ukraine is not going to get the MIGs.
Least we forget Volodymyr Zelenskyy was also demanding a No Fly Zone by NATO which would bring us into the war and that isn't going to happen.
That is my point. Something to consider there friend.
 
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Friendly_Grower

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I'm trying to read the latest news on the state of the MIG transfers but it's very confusing.
There are overlapping stories of Ukraine gets the MIGs and stories where Ukraine doesn't get the MIGs. Then there are stories of how they already have more MIGs than pilots.

There is a confusing timeline to it all at the moment.
 
hanimmal

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Friendly_Grower said:
Yes the distress and urgency is obvious however in diplomatic parlance having a tantrum is not helpful to his cause.
After all, as much as anyone would like to see Ukraine keep it's independence there are limits to what can be done.
Lines that cannot be crossed.
Politically embarrassing allies is not a smart move.
Remember the MIGs are not a done deal and the allies may be posturing to save face at this point.

That is my point. Something to consider there friend.
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This is assuming that this is not a premeditated plan between the allies and Zelinskyy (or people leaking this information from inside the allies to blow up the deal in favor of Putin) in the first place though. I don't think that we can make that assumption.
 
BudmanTX

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Friendly_Grower said:
I'm trying to read the latest news on the state of the MIG transfers but it's very confusing.
There are overlapping stories of Ukraine gets the MIGs and stories where Ukraine doesn't get the MIGs. Then there are stories of how they already have more MIGs than pilots.

There is a confusing timeline to it all at the moment.
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there is......and just sometimes you have to read between the line to figure things out.....the deal is done.....now it's up to logistics.....and that's the hush part
 
Friendly_Grower

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hanimmal said:
This is assuming that this is not a premeditated plan between the allies and Zelinskyy (or people leaking this information from inside the allies to blow up the deal in favor of Putin) in the first place though. I don't think that we can make that assumption.
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Well, as I noticed the "news reports" are very confusing on this issue right now. More confusing then I can remember any other story being.
It's safe to say something is "Afoot" what it is ain't exactly clear but there is a man with a gun over there telling us we got to beware.

 
Friendly_Grower

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BudmanTX said:
there is......and just sometimes you have to read between the line to figure things out.....the deal is done.....now it's up to logistics.....and that's the hush part
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That would seem to be the most logical outcome.
The catch is can the USA deliver replacement planes. That I have not read as having happened.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Friendly_Grower said:
Well, as I noticed the "news reports" are very confusing on this issue right now. More confusing then I can remember any other story being.
It's safe to say something is "Afoot" what it is ain't exactly clear but there is a man with a gun over there telling us we got to beware.

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The will she/won't she aspect of getting the jets is what happens when you get TMI reported in real time is my guess.

There is a information/propaganda war going on in real time, so I don't assume we really know what is coming from who, or what is to the advantage of democratic nations or the dictators who are conducting the wars on them.

The thing that is fishy to me is that Poland keeps pushing this story out there, and the deploying the jets from Germany is something that screams leaking it to help Putin cry foul. But who knows, I don't have any special information or anything to go off of.

Friendly_Grower said:
That would seem to be the most logical outcome.
The catch is can the USA deliver replacement planes. That I have not read as having happened.
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I think the catch is how to get them into Ukrainian hands so that they can deploy them without immediately having them blown up by the Russians.
 
CunningCanuk

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Friendly_Grower said:
Yes the distress and urgency is obvious however in diplomatic parlance having a tantrum is not helpful to his cause.
After all, as much as anyone would like to see Ukraine keep it's independence there are limits to what can be done.
Lines that cannot be crossed.
Politically embarrassing allies is not a smart move.
Remember the MIGs are not a done deal and the allies may be posturing to save face at this point and Ukraine is not going to get the MIGs.
Least we forget Volodymyr Zelenskyy was also demanding a No Fly Zone by NATO which would bring us into the war and that isn't going to happen.
That is my point. Something to consider there friend.
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Zelenskyy’s responsibilities begin and end with the people of Ukraine. I understand the dangerous implications of a NFZ but I also understand Zelenskyy’s frustration as he watches war crimes being committed against his people.

His point of view is something you might want to consider before calling him a “poor sport”.
 
Friendly_Grower

Friendly_Grower

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CunningCanuk said:
Zelenskyy’s responsibilities begin and end with the people of Ukraine. I understand the dangerous implications of a NFZ but I also understand Zelenskyy’s frustration as he watches war crimes being committed against his people.

His point of view is something you might want to consider before calling him a “poor sport”.
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