War

[cannabineer]

Just trying to get a laugh out of BudzBuddha, I do humor too, the alcohol and bud should do it alone. However the Ukrainians might not be in a charitable mood with recent atrocities. They sure got hammered in Bucha, the streets are full of blown up Russian vehicles. The executions of civilians did not go over well, could have been the Chechens, they were in the area and many died there.

Their leader is making a point of not answering atrocity with atrocity (if I’m correctly informed) and is playing a longer game.

Clemency to captured Russians is gonna pay massive dividends in terms of national reputation and access to trade. (Bet they buy some F-35s!) You sing anthems to drones; I sing mine to the moral high ground. I think the value of the latter is a war winner, especially once a cease-fire is in place. (The drones are also kicking serious zhopa.)

So I expect the leadership to draw a quite harsh line on atrocities, possibly with a swift and televised execution of the men responsible.

 

[cannabineer]

I think Vlad will use whatever he's got and can get away with. The Russians are depending on the cell network for now, but as they get close to the border of Russia they can use their new comm system that uses 4G cell apparently! If he has EMP weapons he will probably use them, anything to destroy as much Ukrainian infrastructure as he can. Perhaps he knows he won't get any of his money back and wants to get his money's worth.

Frankly, I think he has like six of them.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Do you have any info on available switchblade inventory? That could have an effect.

I read America has thousands, have been making them for years and recently added the tank killer 600 model that uses a Javelin warhead. They are licensed for manufacture in the UK and Turkey, but most likely the older smaller 300 models. They should be quick to manufacture and such things are setup to ramp up fast, putting 3 shifts in factories and sometimes they even have shadow factories, they do for other arms and munitions.

 

[cannabineer]

I read America has thousands, have been making them for years and recently added the tank killer 600 model that uses a Javelin warhead. They are licensed for manufacture in the UK and Turkey, but most likely the older smaller 300 models. They should be quick to manufacture and such things are setup to ramp up fast, putting 3 shifts in factories and sometimes they even have shadow factories, they do for other arms and munitions.

By America, do you mean gov’t? The other masks the trials and delays of dealing with multiple owners.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Their leader is making a point of not answering atrocity with atrocity (if I’m correctly informed) and is playing a longer game.

Clemency to captured Russians is gonna pay massive dividends in terms of national reputation and access to trade. (Bet they buy some F-35s!) You sing anthems to drones; I sing mine to the moral high ground. I think the value of the latter is a war winner, especially once a cease-fire is in place. (The drones are also kicking serious zhopa.)

So I expect the leadership to draw a quite harsh line on atrocities, possibly with a swift and televised execution of the men responsible.

Oh, Ukraine is a liberal democracy and they will do the right thing officially. I was speaking more of decisions made in battle and war and the things that partly motivate them. There are and will be a lot of hard feelings in Ukraine, especially if atrocities are committed. Some of the ideas I discuss concern surrender, psychological warfare and other means of less violent resolution. Assassinating their officers with sniper rifles and drones is another way with an army structured like theirs.

The moral high ground is fine and a wonderful place to be, when you can afford it and your country and life are not on the line. Russia is still very dangerous and this is far from over. Their troops by all accounts were behaving like beasts and being treated like them by their officers. Offers of surrender might not work with some of them, they know what they did and fear the consequences, if caught.

 

[cannabineer]

Oh, Ukraine is a liberal democracy and they will do the right thing officially. I was speaking more of decisions made in battle and war and the things that partly motivate them. There are and will be a lot of hard feelings in Ukraine, especially if atrocities are committed. So of the ideas I discuss concern surrender, psychological warfare and other means of less violent resolution. Assassinating their officers with sniper rifles and drones is another way with an army structured like theirs.

The moral high ground is fine and a wonderful place to be, when you can afford it and your country and life are not on the line. Russia is still very dangerous and this is far from over. There troops by all accounts were behaving like beasts and being treated like them by their officers. Offers of surrender might not work with some of them, they know what they did and fear the consequences, if caught.

The first sentence of paragraph two is plainly contradicted by Ukraine’s behavior, official and apparent.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

By America, do you mean gov’t? The other masks the trials and delays of dealing with multiple owners.

I read a number like 7000 somewhere, probably mostly the 300 model, what allies have or did I have no idea, but if Sammy wanted to pull a fast one... Deception in war is very important, bodyguard of lies as Churchill said.

 

[cannabineer]

I read a number like 7000 somewhere, probably mostly the 300 model, what allies have or did I have no idea, but if Sammy wanted to pull a fast one... Deception in war is very important, bodyguard of lies as Churchill said.

I’m just saying that if they’re not in current possession of the gov’t, it won’t happen in time.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

By America, do you mean gov’t? The other masks the trials and delays of dealing with multiple owners.

They were used on high value targets in Afghanistan by special forces, the 300's and I imagine they are in inventory, the retired generals speak highly of them and call them a game changer. Allies are tight lipped

 

[cannabineer]

They were used on high value targets in Afghanistan by special forces, the 300's and I imagine they are in inventory, the retired generals speak highly of them and call them a game changer. Allies are tight lipped

I was more curious about the supply available tonight, with numbers.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The first sentence of paragraph two is plainly contradicted by Ukraine’s behavior, official and apparent.

I never said they were fighting an immoral war on a governmental or even official military level, however America committed atrocities by individual soldiers and contractors too. War is Hell and a lot of shit happens feeling run high and people are scared, morals go out the window for most. A well discipline force with ethical officers leads to a lot less of it.

 

[cannabineer]

I never said they were fighting an immoral war on a governmental or even official military level, however America committed atrocities by individual soldiers and contractors too. War is Hell and a lot of shit happens feeling run high and people are scared, morals go out the window for most. A well discipline force with ethical officers leads to a lot less of it.

I am no sociologist, but I smell a Ph. D. here in the causes and patterns of microatrocity.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I was more curious about the supply available tonight, with numbers.

Classified, the Russians would like to know too! They will soon be able to use them though, for I feel the south is the next target of counter attack.

BTW I don't take glee from civilians poisoning soldiers and haven't posted on it, however many don't have any ethical issues about it!
What do you think about civilians giving out poisoned treats to Russians? They killed a few outright and sickened many more. poisoning is a cruel way to kill, like chemicals, which it is.

 

[cannabineer]

Classified, the Russians would like to know too! They will soon be able to use them though, for I feel the south is the next target of counter attack.

BTW I don't take glee from civilians poisoning soldiers and haven't posted on it, however many don't have any ethical issues about it!
What do you think about civilians giving out poisoned treats to Russians? They killed a few outright and sickened many more. poisoning is a cruel way to kill, like chemicals, which it is.

I oppose it. It’s hateful.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I am no sociologist, but I smell a Ph. D. here in the causes and patterns of microatrocity.

Well there are sociopaths who often do well in war and near sociopaths. I read somewhere that about 7%? of people usually Engauge in fighting in a serious way. Here is something interesting.

The Secret Of The Soldiers Who Didn’t Shoot

Slam Marshall, who is regarded as one of our great military historians, looked into the heart of combat and discovered a mystery there that raised doubts about the fighting quality of U.S. troops. But one GI thought he was a liar…

www.americanheritage.com

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In the 211 pages of Men Against Fire, Marshall made an astonishing assertion: In any given body of American infantry in combat, no more than one-fifth, and generally as few as 15 percent, had ever fired their weapons at an enemy, indeed ever fired their weapons at all.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I oppose it. It’s hateful.

Humanity covers a spectrum I'm afraid and war is tribalism in an extreme, empathy is often in short supply and some are less empathetic than others. When China invaded Tibet, monks in Robes were carrying guns! The Dali lama said he would shoot another to save someone, they take morals and ethics to a whole new level these folks. Meditation is a wisdom practice, no empathy, no wisdom.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I am no sociologist, but I smell a Ph. D. here in the causes and patterns of microatrocity.

Do most soldiers shoot to miss?


Most soldiers who fired their weapon aimed over the heads of their enemies to purposely miss because they couldn't handle killing another human being. He cited the world wars and the Vietnam war. He gave statistics that only about 15% were actually trying to shoot the enemy.


Percentage of soldier who purposely missed or didn't shoot? - Reddit

 

[Sir Napsalot]

Do most soldiers shoot to miss?


Most soldiers who fired their weapon aimed over the heads of their enemies to purposely miss because they couldn't handle killing another human being. He cited the world wars and the Vietnam war. He gave statistics that only about 15% were actually trying to shoot the enemy.

Percentage of soldier who purposely missed or didn't shoot? - Reddit

If I wanted to miss, I'd use that shitty Russian ammo that the AR15 guys seem to love

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

If I wanted to miss, I'd use that shitty Russian ammo that the AR15 guys seem to love

Apparently it's a hot topic of debate and of some importance to officers! However it might be more of an issue in conscript armies than in professional ones. The guys depend on each other in the infantry and you'd be useless to your teammates and defiantly not sniper material!

In the Navy the crew depends on each other, yer shooting at a machine and might not see your target as more than a blip on a screen in the CC buried in the bowels of the ship. Ya don't shoot over their heads, or someone might shoot you, or want to real bad!

 

[bam0813]

Call me a savage but I don’t understand the treatment of Russian soldiers captured by Ukrainians. Feed comfort even send the back to their lines. After seeing what Russians are doing to civilians, id do things to them that make cartels blush