First Grow - Healthy - No Nutes-Pics Included

[MartianMan999]

Hey fellow stoners, as my first grow I haven’t put any nutrients in as I can’t pick a simple, inexpensive set. Any advice helps - this was in a post before but if I could get some more advice I’m for it as they are growing fast.

One I started in April, the other was started June 1st (germination).
I just transplanted so I’m worried about topping - how long should I wait?

They were in a nutrient rich soil my mom had and just transplanted both into Happy Frog hoping the nutrients can help carry them.

my one plant has 9 fingers (younger) and 7 on the older, when they sprout 2 new fingers should you wait or just top them?

when do you guys start your topping and how many times?

I’m growing outdoors - 70-90 degrees 50+% humidity in the Midwest.

I guess my most important question would be about a nutrient soup or maybe one nutrient for the start one for the back?

I know OFHF says it can carry till week 2 of flowering with starting with it but I want to maximize growth.

thanks again ! Here’s a shot from today.

 

[NotTheRobot]

Hey fellow stoners, as my first grow I haven’t put any nutrients in as I can’t pick a simple, inexpensive set. Any advice helps - this was in a post before but if I could get some more advice I’m for it as they are growing fast.

One I started in April, the other was started June 1st (germination).
I just transplanted so I’m worried about topping - how long should I wait?

They were in a nutrient rich soil my mom had and just transplanted both into Happy Frog hoping the nutrients can help carry them.

my one plant has 9 fingers (younger) and 7 on the older, when they sprout 2 new fingers should you wait or just top them?

when do you guys start your topping and how many times?

I’m growing outdoors - 70-90 degrees 50+% humidity in the Midwest.

I guess my most important question would be about a nutrient soup or maybe one nutrient for the start one for the back?

I use Megacrop nutes which are one of the best bang for the buck and add Floranova Bloom during the bloom stage. There are a lot of different options for nutes and the most common mistake people make is using more than the plant can handle.

From your pics the plants look healthy but small.

You didn't mention what strain or type of seeds you are growing which makes a difference what topping gets done. Typically people won't top an auto but will feminized or regular seed. If the one you started in April was an auto it would be blooming already.

Best wishes for your grow.

 

[MartianMan999]

I use Megacrop nutes which are one of the best bang for the buck and add Floranova Bloom during the bloom stage. There are a lot of different options for nutes and the most common mistake people make is using more than the plant can handle.

From your pics the plants look healthy but small.

You didn't mention what strain or type of seeds you are growing which makes a difference what topping gets done. Typically people won't top an auto but will feminized or regular seed. If the one you started in April was an auto it would be blooming already.

Best wishes for your grow.

Any megacrop Nutes specifically? Appreciate you brotha. Yeah, I know they are moving slow but they are picking up. Is it the lack of a boost? They are random seeds I got from grabbing heavy weight and my buddy gave me 200 for free. I know it makes it harder :/. I’m going to order some 4Kings if I find em or something easier to grow and femmed. Yah, I won’t go auto until my like 10th grow. I debated on using the liquid OF Nutes cause I’m using OFHF but I’ve heard mega crop a lot from other growers - just curious what’s the most efficient.
Thanks again dude

 

[RIS]

From my recent purchase, I can say, Do not get caught up in what brand or name. The first thing you should do is research and understand what nutrients are required and at what concentration; at the end of the day, it's still all just NPK. Forget about the brand, claims, names, and pictures, just make sure you get the right elements without breaking the bank. The rest is all gimmicky BS targeting the new grower that knows just enough but doesn't have the real reasoning behind it all.

I am no expert and provide nothing but words to do with what you choose. GL happy growing!

 

[DrDukePHD]

From my recent purchase, I can say, Do not get caught up in what brand or name. The first thing you should do is research and understand what nutrients are required and at what concentration; at the end of the day, it's still all just NPK. Forget about the brand, claims, names, and pictures, just make sure you get the right elements without breaking the bank. The rest is all gimmicky BS targeting the new grower that knows just enough but doesn't have the real reasoning behind it all.

I am no expert and provide nothing but words to do with what you choose. GL happy growing!

Based on posts like this/research & what others i trust told me... I just bought like 36lbs of Dr Earth Organic (4-6-3). Thirty Six Pounds of it was $75. Apparently you can just run that from start to finish... dry ammended to organic soil. Save some $!

 

[Boatguy]

Filling that pot all the way with more ffhf would be a good place to start.
When they do start looking hungry, i have top dressed with dry ferts like dte, or moved to liquid organic nutes like neptunes harvest rose and flower feed. Both with good results.
That dr earth stuff has had good reviews here, but i have no experience with it.

 

[NotTheRobot]

Any megacrop Nutes specifically? Appreciate you brotha. Yeah, I know they are moving slow but they are picking up. Is it the lack of a boost? They are random seeds I got from grabbing heavy weight and my buddy gave me 200 for free. I know it makes it harder :/. I’m going to order some 4Kings if I find em or something easier to grow and femmed. Yah, I won’t go auto until my like 10th grow. I debated on using the liquid OF Nutes cause I’m using OFHF but I’ve heard mega crop a lot from other growers - just curious what’s the most efficient.
Thanks again dude

With nutes I find it's about not over using them as much as it's about a single brand being good. Expensive doesn't mean more efficient. Although your plants aren't big they are alive.

After growing different types of seed I found regular seed is where I like to go, not auto.

From the look of your plants and what you've posted you have photoperiod (needs 12/12 light to flower). The leaves are not indica (really wide) or sativa (really narrow) which means a hybrid which is normal. The small plant tends towards sativa which take longer to grow. If you pot your plants instead of putting them directly in the ground you can move them inside if you need to.

 

[Rurumo]

If you go with something like an organic dry 4-4-4, just remember, when you topdress it, it isn't going to be available to the plants right away. You need to topdress before the plants show signs of deficiency-this can be tough for new growers. Someone mentioned Megacrop, I'm guessing they meant the 1 part complete formula-this would be a good option too although I prefer Maxibloom for a 1 part mineral salt formula. If you went that route, you would feed it to plenty of runoff every second watering or so. The last potted plant I grew outdoors I used something like FFOF as a media, and then when the nutes ran out, I fed Maxibloom to 20%+ runoff every time it needed to be "watered", just like you would treat coco-with the only difference being I didn't feed multiple times per day-I gave it a proper wet/dry cycle and only fed when the pot got light....and it turned out awesome. So you just need to pick whether you want to topdress with an organic fertilizer or go with mineral salts and feed through a nutrient solution. Just to be clear, when you water a plant that is being topdressed with an organic fertilizer, you don't need to water to 20% runoff-just make sure the media is fully saturated. You only need to feed to plenty of runoff if you use a mineral salt nutrient solution.

 

[MartianMan999]

With nutes I find it's about not over using them as much as it's about a single brand being good. Expensive doesn't mean more efficient. Although your plants aren't big they are alive.

After growing different types of seed I found regular seed is where I like to go, not auto.

From the look of your plants and what you've posted you have photoperiod (needs 12/12 light to flower). The leaves are not indica (really wide) or sativa (really narrow) which means a hybrid which is normal. The small plant tends towards sativa which take longer to grow. If you pot your plants instead of putting them directly in the ground you can move them inside if you need to.
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Dude that’s fucking gorgeous. I’m in the Midwest so I had to bring them in a lot at first - I just transplanted into a 5 gallon and a 3 gallon. Is it true you can water until it’s draining? I’ve been using McDonald’s cups and it dries out so fast in heat (97 degrees out here!! Plants love it). Sunrise to sunset gives me roughly 15.5 hours. Thanks for your help btw I’ll reply some pics. Here’s the progress and I believe they aren’t growing cause of underwatering perhaps my buddy said water until there’s runoff. True?
Sorry last thing promise - the last pictures you will see pistils and I want to know if bringing it in almost flowered her now I don’t bring em in haven’t seen any other but they r healthy. Thanks again!!!!!

 

[DrDukePHD]

MartianMan999,
You need to repost that, it didn't show up right buddy!

 

[MartianMan999]

Filling that pot all the way with more ffhf would be a good place to start.
When they do start looking hungry, i have top dressed with dry ferts like dte, or moved to liquid organic nutes like neptunes harvest rose and flower feed. Both with good results.
That dr earth stuff has had good reviews here, but i have no experience with it.

Do you feed in Veg? With HR/Poseidon I recently transplanted both plants into OFHF with a good amount perilite bottom, under where we planted, on top. Veg. Not sure what soil it was but it seems to work nicely. Hoping HF can give her food for awhile (I’m growing outdoors).

 

[MartianMan999]

MartianMan999,
You need to repost that, it didn't show up right buddy!

Thankkkk you I’ll do a re do

 

[MartianMan999]

If you go with something like an organic dry 4-4-4, just remember, when you topdress it, it isn't going to be available to the plants right away. You need to topdress before the plants show signs of deficiency-this can be tough for new growers. Someone mentioned Megacrop, I'm guessing they meant the 1 part complete formula-this would be a good option too although I prefer Maxibloom for a 1 part mineral salt formula. If you went that route, you would feed it to plenty of runoff every second watering or so. The last potted plant I grew outdoors I used something like FFOF as a media, and then when the nutes ran out, I fed Maxibloom to 20%+ runoff every time it needed to be "watered", just like you would treat coco-with the only difference being I didn't feed multiple times per day-I gave it a proper wet/dry cycle and only fed when the pot got light....and it turned out awesome. So you just need to pick whether you want to topdress with an organic fertilizer or go with mineral salts and feed through a nutrient solution. Just to be clear, when you water a plant that is being topdressed with an organic fertilizer, you don't need to water to 20% runoff-just make sure the media is fully saturated. You only need to feed to plenty of runoff if you use a mineral salt nutrient solution.

Can run the the salts through the grow? No other Nutes unless something happens?

 

[MartianMan999]

’m in the Midwest so I had to bring them in a lot at first - I just transplanted into a 5 gallon and a 3 gallon. Is it true you can water until it’s draining? I’ve been using McDonald’s cups and it dries out so fast in heat (97 degrees out here!! Plants love it). Sunrise to sunset gives me roughly 15.5 hours. Thanks for your help btw I’ll reply some pics. Here’s the progress and I believe they aren’t growing cause of underwatering perhaps my buddy said water until there’s runoff. True?
Sorry last thing promise - the last pictures you will see pistils and I want to know if bringing it in almost flowered her now I don’t bring em in haven’t seen any other but they r healthy.
Second picture has pistils but those are the only ones besides the other side there is a calyx with an amber pist so I was a little confused. Maybe pre flower flipped to veg cause of a rough light start.

 

[MartianMan999]

MartianMan999,
You need to repost that, it didn't show up right buddy!

Thank you dude - seriously - I just got pistils on my 5 gallon girl

 

[MartianMan999]

Can run the the salts through the grow? No other Nutes unless something happens?

And another sorry your info is very detailed and it’s what I n

 

[NotTheRobot]

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When they are seedlings they don't use a lot of water. You are past that now by a long time though.

I'm attaching a shot of what roots look like on a weed plant. If you only water 1/20th of the pot how do the rest of the roots get water? You need to water all the plant which means all the growing medium should get wet.

 

[MartianMan999]

If you go with something like an organic dry 4-4-4, just remember, when you topdress it, it isn't going to be available to the plants right away. You need to topdress before the plants show signs of deficiency-this can be tough for new growers. Someone mentioned Megacrop, I'm guessing they meant the 1 part complete formula-this would be a good option too although I prefer Maxibloom for a 1 part mineral salt formula. If you went that route, you would feed it to plenty of runoff every second watering or so. The last potted plant I grew outdoors I used something like FFOF as a media, and then when the nutes ran out, I fed Maxibloom to 20%+ runoff every time it needed to be "watered", just like you would treat coco-with the only difference being I didn't feed multiple times per day-I gave it a proper wet/dry cycle and only fed when the pot got light....and it turned out awesome. So you just need to pick whether you want to topdress with an organic fertilizer or go with mineral salts and feed through a nutrient solution. Just to be clear, when you water a plant that is being topdressed with an organic fertilizer, you don't need to water to 20% runoff-just make sure the media is fully saturated. You only need to feed to plenty of runoff if you use a mineral salt nutrient solution.

Dang you answered A LOT of my question - much love.
If I could - do you fertilize 4-4-4 then? The numbers are annoying and one of the most difficult part for me (something about Nutes I worry too much and don’t wanna destroy my girls). I have nutrients and I will drop pictures. With no feeding other than Earthworm Castings and Bat dookey and my girls are in preflower I want them to build sites big n fast.
Do you know where to find a list of said nutrients and a schedule when to feed? I’m using FFHF (started in diff soil, transplanted to HF at 3 gallon transplant) hoping that’ll help.

Can I use top dressing like guano castings and ?? To keep her sexy?Sorry it’s a lot - I like perfecting.

 

[MartianMan999]

When they are seedlings they don't use a lot of water. You are past that now by a long time though.

I'm attaching a shot of what roots look like on a weed plant. If you only water 1/20th of the pot how do the rest of the roots get water? You need to water all the plant which means all the growing medium should get wet.

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Thank you bro - for real - I worry when I under feed to the roots I’ll drown the plant - it’s pretty solid though we just went through 3 storms (yessssss!!) love lightening blooms. So wet it but don’t drown.

 

[MartianMan999]

Based on posts like this/research & what others i trust told me... I just bought like 36lbs of Dr Earth Organic (4-6-3). Thirty Six Pounds of it was $75. Apparently you can just run that from start to finish... dry ammended to organic soil. Save some $!

Wait for real? Has anyone tried this yet? I’d run that soil for sure. I forget the name of another start to finish brand.