Open Outdoor Auto Thread, 2022

[bc_southbuds]

Looking lovely man!

I just spotted a couple of yellow aphids in the first pic bottom left leaf. Get on them quick!

Good eye! I took a closer look and upon further inspection I did not find any signs of aphids. I think it might have been a couple small holes from grasshopper playing with the sunlight. It may have also been what you see in the photos below did find my very first leaf discolour! These are all from the first node or lower in the plant, so the optimist in me wants to think it is just normal yellowing and shedding. I also want go think the blotches are from water droplets getting onto the plants during the blazing sun and burning the plant? The realist in me thinks it’s nutrient burn. I did find some very very minute tip burn which is a classic sign of nutrient burn, so I just flushed them all with Ph’d water.

Any thoughts?

Some minor brown spots


Some bigger spots. The white is from a pesticide application weeks ago.


Think it’s just normal shedding near the bottom? Then again, the spots!


Here’s a choker, very early tip burn! Flushed these girls out right away. Needed a drink anyway.

 

[bc_southbuds]

Looking good! Nice selection, they look really healthy. Hopefully the weather will continue to cooperate. Starting Monday we have a 5 day stretch of temps breaking 100º. I guess that's the new normal. Not as bad as last year's "heat bubble", but still more heat than I prefer.

Thanks! Yours look amazing too. That’s the beauty of the bags, can move them to the shade . I’ve also seen people build shade tents, but that’s for climates that are constantly over 35c all summer (Death Valley).

 

[Humanrob]

First one came down today, only 74 days but I was seeing some amber all the way down the colas and the person I grow for does not like couch-lock highs, so this one is hanging. It's the RocBud Pineapple Sunrise, and I suppose it's everything one would expect from both Roc and a fast finishing plant. That is to say, she's pretty, frosty, and smells great (thanks Roc), and she's heavy ruderalis leaning as a fast finisher would be, so the leaf stems are thick, the buds are not dense, and overall it's a small plant (ruderalis traits, as I have read). I imagine dry she'll produce less than 2oz.


Next pic is the combination of fading leaves and signs of nute burn on the Green Crack.


Last... is an "oh well" picture. Found one single boy part on one of my Meph freebies (HBH x Livers). It had already opened, so I just plucked it off, inspected the plant thoroughly, and went back to business as usual. Poop happens.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Good eye! I took a closer look and upon further inspection I did not find any signs of aphids. I think it might have been a couple small holes from grasshopper playing with the sunlight. It may have also been what you see in the photos below did find my very first leaf discolour! These are all from the first node or lower in the plant, so the optimist in me wants to think it is just normal yellowing and shedding. I also want go think the blotches are from water droplets getting onto the plants during the blazing sun and burning the plant? The realist in me thinks it’s nutrient burn. I did find some very very minute tip burn which is a classic sign of nutrient burn, so I just flushed them all with Ph’d water.

Any thoughts?

Some minor brown spots
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Some bigger spots. The white is from a pesticide application weeks ago.
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Think it’s just normal shedding near the bottom? Then again, the spots!
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Here’s a choker, very early tip burn! Flushed these girls out right away. Needed a drink anyway.
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Possibly leafhoppers imho

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Next auto up is my Grape Stomper x 3 Bears. She's due soon. For some reason, the many, many red hairs do not show up in my pics. Tried Pro mode, everything, won't even show in a filter. Anyhoo...

 

[Nutty sKunK]

First one came down today, only 74 days but I was seeing some amber all the way down the colas and the person I grow for does not like couch-lock highs, so this one is hanging. It's the RocBud Pineapple Sunrise, and I suppose it's everything one would expect from both Roc and a fast finishing plant. That is to say, she's pretty, frosty, and smells great (thanks Roc), and she's heavy ruderalis leaning as a fast finisher would be, so the leaf stems are thick, the buds are not dense, and overall it's a small plant (ruderalis traits, as I have read). I imagine dry she'll produce less than 2oz.
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Next pic is the combination of fading leaves and signs of nute burn on the Green Crack.
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Last... is an "oh well" picture. Found one single boy part on one of my Meph freebies (HBH x Livers). It had already opened, so I just plucked it off, inspected the plant thoroughly, and went back to business as usual. Poop happens.
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Buds look great! How’s the smell?

I know what you mean about the ruderalis traits. Quick to flower so stay short. Seems to be a bit of a pot luck tho when growing from seed ime.

Purple punch showed sex on the second node lol Pics were taken at 77 days. Others barely have any orange hairs. Pretty chuffed cause we had a lot of nights in the 40’s early June. Probs only gonna yield half an Oz tops but I don’t mind. Just fanning about. But for lack of yield she makes up in smell. Absolutely fantastic. Super sticky resin as well.

I’ve had a thought. You know how terpenes become volatile at a certain temp? Believe it’s around 70f. That means indoor conditions the trichomes keep getting pounded by UV and heat leading to faster degradation. Most plants I’ve grown I’ve noticed a fade in smell towards end of flower. So I believe for now that lowering the temp and dimming the light towards the end of flower will keep the terpenes in higher concentrations.

Also outdoor plants get a lot smellier once chopped as well!

here’s a pic. Still a while to go but could be harvested if it gets really wet. Don’t want to risk mold again

 

[bc_southbuds]

Spaced my plants out. Nice family shot! With the cold weather stunting growth at the start I can’t decide how far these are in…5-6 weeks? Thinking 6, but can look like 5 compared to other grows. Oh The front row are two weeks younger

 

[Humanrob]

Buds look great! How’s the smell?

Thanks! The smell is sweet and strong, with a sort of sour-fruity flavor coming off. Makes me think of raspberries.

I know what you mean about the ruderalis traits. Quick to flower so stay short. Seems to be a bit of a pot luck tho when growing from seed ime.

Purple punch showed sex on the second node lol Pics were taken at 77 days. Others barely have any orange hairs. Pretty chuffed cause we had a lot of nights in the 40’s early June. Probs only gonna yield half an Oz tops but I don’t mind. Just fanning about. But for lack of yield she makes up in smell. Absolutely fantastic. Super sticky resin as well.

Those cool nights seem to take a toll, in the end I'll compare the ones that spent two extra weeks inside with those that didn't, and see if there is a consistent difference in harvest weight.

I was going through my notes from last summer, I do things a little different every year. Last summer I only had three in 5 gallon pots, this year they all are. If I average the final weight on those three, it comes out to only 1.5oz each. Last winter I packed six plants into my 2x4 tent, and they averaged 2.5oz each. I have never had indoor plants produce more than outdoor plants, so that was unexpected. It'll be interesting to see how this summer averages out.

I’ve had a thought. You know how terpenes become volatile at a certain temp? Believe it’s around 70f. That means indoor conditions the trichomes keep getting pounded by UV and heat leading to faster degradation. Most plants I’ve grown I’ve noticed a fade in smell towards end of flower. So I believe for now that lowering the temp and dimming the light towards the end of flower will keep the terpenes in higher concentrations.

Also outdoor plants get a lot smellier once chopped as well!

here’s a pic. Still a while to go but could be harvested if it gets really wet. Don’t want to risk mold again


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That is a beautiful plant!

Interesting thoughts on terpenes. When I first started growing I was fascinated by the differences between indoor and outdoor, but where I live my outdoor plants were often taken down before they reached an optimal harvest time, so the comparisons became harder because it wasn't "apples to apples". At the time I had a great opportunity because I was growing photos and would grow clones from the same mother inside and outside.

I look forward to hearing about how your experiments go with changing the light at the end of the grow, it makes sense the way you describe it.

(edit) I forgot to ask, how many hours of direct sunlight do you get?

 

[Humanrob]

Next auto up is my Grape Stomper x 3 Bears. She's due soon. For some reason, the many, many red hairs do not show up in my pics. Tried Pro mode, everything, won't even show in a filter. Anyhoo...
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Nice looking plant! I'm curious, how many hours of direct sunlight do your plants get per day?

 

[Humanrob]

Spaced my plants out. Nice family shot! With the cold weather stunting growth at the start I can’t decide how far these are in…5-6 weeks? Thinking 6, but can look like 5 compared to other grows. Oh The front row are two weeks younger

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Nice group you have going! You started a bit later than I did, I think. Outdoor for me is all about how and when it ends, so I want to start as early as I can get away with, get in, get out, and be done as fast as possible. That's just my approach based on my location with its limitations. You look like you've got a great sunny spot. How many hours of direct sunlight do you get per day?

 

[bc_southbuds]

Nice group you have going! You started a bit later than I did, I think. Outdoor for me is all about how and when it ends, so I want to start as early as I can get away with, get in, get out, and be done as fast as possible. That's just my approach based on my location with its limitations. You look like you've got a great sunny spot. How many hours of direct sunlight do you get per day?

Thanks, its been fun so far. Yes I started fairly late, around June 6th or something but it was a very cool and wet beginning. Next year I’ll start mid-May. Part of it gets direct sun from 9am-8pm. The whole plot is guaranteed 10hrs of full-on, direct, bright sun. It is the only area of the yard that gets it, that’s why they’re all crammed in there!

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Thanks! The smell is sweet and strong, with a sort of sour-fruity flavor coming off. Makes me think of raspberries.


Those cool nights seem to take a toll, in the end I'll compare the ones that spent two extra weeks inside with those that didn't, and see if there is a consistent difference in harvest weight.

I was going through my notes from last summer, I do things a little different every year. Last summer I only had three in 5 gallon pots, this year they all are. If I average the final weight on those three, it comes out to only 1.5oz each. Last winter I packed six plants into my 2x4 tent, and they averaged 2.5oz each. I have never had indoor plants produce more than outdoor plants, so that was unexpected. It'll be interesting to see how this summer averages out.


That is a beautiful plant!

Interesting thoughts on terpenes. When I first started growing I was fascinated by the differences between indoor and outdoor, but where I live my outdoor plants were often taken down before they reached an optimal harvest time, so the comparisons became harder because it wasn't "apples to apples". At the time I had a great opportunity because I was growing photos and would grow clones from the same mother inside and outside.

I look forward to hearing about how your experiments go with changing the light at the end of the grow, it makes sense the way you describe it.

(edit) I forgot to ask, how many hours of direct sunlight do you get?

The cold does stunt them a lot! Apart from that kosher cake, freak of nature that thing. It’s budding as well as if it were indoors!

It makes sense in theory. Going to aim to get my temps around 60-65 daytime and 40’s night. Easily done in winter here with a window open.

Direct sun? Hits my back garden around 6:30am then now sets at 9:30pm. So around 15hrs direct sunshine. In the peak of summer I put them down in the field which gets it from 5am-10pm. Sun rises at 4:30am here lol

 

[Humanrob]

Part of it gets direct sun from 9am-8pm. The whole plot is guaranteed 10hrs of full-on, direct, bright sun. It is the only area of the yard that gets it, that’s why they’re all crammed in there!

Direct sun? Hits my back garden around 6:30am then now sets at 9:30pm. So around 15hrs direct sunshine. In the peak of summer I put them down in the field which gets it from 5am-10pm. Sun rises at 4:30am here lol

Wow... that is amazing. You guys get fantastic amounts of sunlight. June I get about 8 hours, July around 7, August around 6. As the sun incrementally moves south it goes further behind trees that surround my back yard. I wonder about the impact of my limited sun exposure, but I also know people who grow with less sunlight than I get.

This week will be a hot one. I just finished watering/feeding and the daily dead leaf trim, not much else to do for now. As soon as the heat wave passes I'll probably start trimming fan leaves away from the top buds to let more sunlight in, at that point it should be 2-3 weeks from done for some of them.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Wow... that is amazing. You guys get fantastic amounts of sunlight. June I get about 8 hours, July around 7, August around 6. As the sun incrementally moves south it goes further behind trees that surround my back yard. I wonder about the impact of my limited sun exposure, but I also know people who grow with less sunlight than I get.

This week will be a hot one. I just finished watering/feeding and the daily dead leaf trim, not much else to do for now. As soon as the heat wave passes I'll probably start trimming fan leaves away from the top buds to let more sunlight in, at that point it should be 2-3 weeks from done for some of them.

Yeah it’s definitely in my favour. The pic attached was taken at 10:21pm on the 21st of June. No exposure! Can read a book at midnight lol

I think anything less than 6hrs direct sunlight might impact them a bit. What’s better is having a slight over cast when no direct sun is available. The light bounces around much better.

turning cold here. Wish we had some warmth. About 65ish and 50 nights. Rain as well which I really don’t want lol

Aye trimming fan leaves help at the end ripen the buds up. Buds do form harder in direct light than shade ime. I’m gonna take the last two fans off the punch and maybe a couple off the mimosa cake. She’s ripening nicely too.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Nice looking plant! I'm curious, how many hours of direct sunlight do your plants get per day?

Hmmm, that's A good question. They get some morning shade, then probably from 10-3ish, maybe 4, and then shade again. Ill put my cam on it to be sure, but I'd say direct sun? Maybe 5 hours. Now Beta patch is full sun, in the middle of a field surrounded by chain link and a ton of security. Honestly, I've seen equal and or higher quality with the 5 hour as with the full sun. There's just so many variables, not sure why you're so interested in the amount of full sun. Imho, it really doesn't matter that much, unless your growing commercially.

 

[Humanrob]

Some pics from today, end of week 10. This FB Bruce Banner is the furthest along (I know, it has weeks to go...).





Some others...

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Yea well good luck with that. My third auto caught rot too, growing outside, autos have been a real let down. Work/reward ratio sucks, at least in New England, the autos have to have a real specialized program, or else its a waste of time.

 

[Humanrob]

Hmmm, that's A good question. They get some morning shade, then probably from 10-3ish, maybe 4, and then shade again. Ill put my cam on it to be sure, but I'd say direct sun? Maybe 5 hours. Now Beta patch is full sun, in the middle of a field surrounded by chain link and a ton of security. Honestly, I've seen equal and or higher quality with the 5 hour as with the full sun. There's just so many variables, not sure why you're so interested in the amount of full sun. Imho, it really doesn't matter that much, unless your growing commercially.

It's mostly just a curiosity, I like to see the spectrum of conditions that these plants can thrive in. But you are right, there are many variables that contribute to a good harvest.

Trees to the east of my garden have been getting bigger over the years, and by last summer my plants weren't getting hit with sunlight in August until around noon. I believe that contributed to about half last year's crop getting bud rot, because the morning dew would not cook off early enough. One tree came down since then, and now they get about 45 minutes of sunlight at around 10am, I'm hoping that might burn off enough moisture to help this year's finish better. I suspect that how much sunlight plants get - and when they get it - can influence their chances of finishing well.

Yea well good luck with that. My third auto caught rot too, growing outside, autos have been a real let down. Work/reward ratio sucks, at least in New England, the autos have to have a real specialized program, or else its a waste of time.

I grew photos for a few years, and now all I grow is autos, inside and out. I'm in a pretty good climate though, we get almost no rain during July and August and humidity is pretty low. I time my sprouting for the plants to finish in August. If I know rain is coming, I throw plastic over the hoop-house, I try to never let them get wet after they start to flower. Some strains do better than others, the more dense the buds are, the more likely they are to get moldy. I also top all of my plants, because I found that those single larger primary colas are more likely to get rot than a series of smaller ones.

It's all trial and error, and a fair amount of guessing. So far at the end of each summer I've had something to show for the effort. Every year I try to create a bullet proof system, but I haven't yet.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

It's mostly just a curiosity, I like to see the spectrum of conditions that these plants can thrive in. But you are right, there are many variables that contribute to a good harvest.

Trees to the east of my garden have been getting bigger over the years, and by last summer my plants weren't getting hit with sunlight in August until around noon. I believe that contributed to about half last year's crop getting bud rot, because the morning dew would not cook off early enough. One tree came down since then, and now they get about 45 minutes of sunlight at around 10am, I'm hoping that might burn off enough moisture to help this year's finish better. I suspect that how much sunlight plants get - and when they get it - can influence their chances of finishing well.


I grew photos for a few years, and now all I grow is autos, inside and out. I'm in a pretty good climate though, we get almost no rain during July and August and humidity is pretty low. I time my sprouting for the plants to finish in August. If I know rain is coming, I throw plastic over the hoop-house, I try to never let them get wet after they start to flower. Some strains do better than others, the more dense the buds are, the more likely they are to get moldy. I also top all of my plants, because I found that those single larger primary colas are more likely to get rot than a series of smaller ones.

It's all trial and error, and a fair amount of guessing. So far at the end of each summer I've had something to show for the effort. Every year I try to create a bullet proof system, but I haven't yet.

Exactly what its all about. A constant evolution of learning experiences. I don't think there is a be all end all perfection. We use our tools, foolishly venture into unknown territory, always hopeful and wondering about the next season. Sometimes we create landmines, other times a rainbow slide.
That's the conundrum of the grower, we are like poultry farmers.
Sometimes chicken, sometimes feathers.

 

[PioneerValleyOG]

Ok, so my Jack Herer Auto has been growing 14 weeks, am seeing some bud rot and treating it with h2o2 spray. I keep thinking it's almost ready, but recently it started throwing out small green leaf shoots from the colas. And im seeing tons of white hairs as well. Either I let it go too long, not long enough, or something weird is happening.
Anyone ever have buds suddenly start throwing green leaf out of cola?
Almost like it wants to reveg?
More later.