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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
ok. i'll walk back that "all russians" comment...some of them are decent people...not many, apparently, but a few are still worth the name human being.
almost all, actually. You need only look at pics or video of mobiki at the front to grasp that. Or other regular Russians responding to the mobilisatsiya. The policymakers are one in ten thousand. The people are not in a position to change out the policymakers.

I am daily startled at the amount of prejudice some here allow themselves to show.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The thing is they have pairs of trucks stationed all around the spots they think they are most likely to hit. One truck has the spotlight, the other the machine gun. Not sure how night vision would work on the drones.
It's cheaper than wasting a million dollar missile on a $10K drone. I never tried to operate a twin machinegun with night vision or the drones are too hard to spot at range and when the shit hit the fan you might be blinded. Radar and search lights would be the way to go, maybe an infrared scope to direct the light onto them. The gas powered ones are what they hunt and the engines produce heat and so does the airframe passing through the air at 100MPH.

These days there are a lot of LED options for search lights that can run off a battery pack for hours. These drones are operating around 1000 feet so it's not too high for them. WW2 carbon arc search lights required a generator, but could go 10s of thousands of feet up and required hundreds of kilowatts of power. With these half ton rigs they can order a few containers of lights and battery packs from China and be ready to go in short order, recharge them off the truck's electrical system or plug them in.

Apparently the Ukrainians are buying $10K drones from China and a lot of the RC plane people there see money to be made as regulations strangle the civilian market! Now they are selling these things configured for use or made to specs and the Ukrainians, or Uncle Sam has been buying them. They are basically the same as the large scale RC models they sell.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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almost all, actually. You need only look at pics or video of mobiki at the front to grasp that. Or other regular Russians responding to the mobilisatsiya. The policymakers are one in ten thousand. The people are not in a position to change out the policymakers.

I am daily startled at the amount of prejudice some here allow themselves to show.
when they stand the fuck up as a people and demand that their "leadership" do the right fucking thing, i will grant them provisional humanity...and not until.
of course, right now, i'm about of the same mind for over half of Americans.
if some people don't grow the fuck up, it's about time to paddle the shit out of them and stick em in the fucking corner
the people react to the mobilization because it's them getting mobilized now, and not "ethnic" russians from distant districts...where the fuck were they when muslim russians from the northern Cuacasus were dying? ignoring the war and eating at mcdonalds...
 
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
when they stand the fuck up as a people and demand that their "leadership" do the right fucking thing, i will grant them provisional humanity...and not until.
of course, right now, i'm about of the same mind for over half of Americans.
if some people don't grow the fuck up, it's about time to paddle the shit out of them and stick em in the fucking corner
the people react to the mobilization because it's them getting mobilized now, and not "ethnic" russians from distant districts...where the fuck were they when muslim russians from the northern Cuacasus were dying? ignoring the war and eating at mcdonalds...
unrealistic expectation. Autocratic regimes are kept in power by the unhesitating application of massive brutality. Blaming the subjects of that focused cruelty for not standing against it is bullshit.

What you say with no fear of consequences shows that where and when you and I live is very liberal as seen as through the lens of world history. It is the equivalent of let them eat cake.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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when they stand the fuck up as a people and demand that their "leadership" do the right fucking thing, i will grant them provisional humanity...and not until.
of course, right now, i'm about of the same mind for over half of Americans.
if some people don't grow the fuck up, it's about time to paddle the shit out of them and stick em in the fucking corner
the people react to the mobilization because it's them getting mobilized now, and not "ethnic" russians from distant districts...where the fuck were they when muslim russians from the northern Cuacasus were dying? ignoring the war and eating at mcdonalds...
Everybody has a history that traps them in a way, liberal democracy is a way of breaking out of the cultural trap and adapt to new social conditions and beliefs, the more of it you have the better you adapt. America is an imperfect democracy as is evidenced by the difference between the polices and laws and the polls on many issues. Russia was burdened with the legacy of the Czar's and Stalin, a psychopath of legendary proportions who left scares on the world to this day. The evil people like Hitler and Stalin do lives on after they die, but then again so does the good people do too.

Russian society never knew democratic rule or a free press except for brief periods and is still burdened by imperial thinking at all levels of society. They have had many hard lessons in history that they are currently repeating, the Ukrainians however appear to be breaking out of their history while honoring the important parts. They went liberal democratic and are fortunate to have the help of other liberal democracies, usually the smaller ones get crushed by someone like Russia who invades them or subverts and destroys their democracy.

The secret police keep the empire together and have since the time of the Czars, it used to be Vlad's job before he weaseled his way to the top. The secret police suppress political dissent, separatist or nationalist groups, except for Russian and they suppress political descent among Russians. Russia has a huge internal security force for a reason and it never changed much since the USSR.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ukrainian offensive operations depend on the weather, when the ground freezes they will move. Looks like they are setting up conditions for a Russian collapse in the east and may then attack to the south when they get the Russians moving to fill in holes in the east.


04 Jan: Russians PANIC. Ukrainians FINALLY GOT TO KREMINNA | War in Ukraine Explained
 

doublejj

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when they stand the fuck up as a people and demand that their "leadership" do the right fucking thing, i will grant them provisional humanity...and not until.
of course, right now, i'm about of the same mind for over half of Americans.
if some people don't grow the fuck up, it's about time to paddle the shit out of them and stick em in the fucking corner
the people react to the mobilization because it's them getting mobilized now, and not "ethnic" russians from distant districts...where the fuck were they when muslim russians from the northern Cuacasus were dying? ignoring the war and eating at mcdonalds...
TASTY PERIOD.....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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End of Lukashenko's era: participation of Belarus in the war will cause revolt among its citizens

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Since the beginning of Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Belarusian state media have been actively repeating the Russian information agenda: deliberately hiding or distorting the facts. Traditionally, the West is accused of wanting to attack Russia and Belarus, and Lukashenko publicly supports a military invasion of Ukraine. Thus, the self-proclaimed President of Belarus is gradually preparing the population for the prospect of a war against Ukraine, experts say. More details – learn in our story.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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unrealistic expectation. Autocratic regimes are kept in power by the unhesitating application of massive brutality. Blaming the subjects of that focused cruelty for not standing against it is bullshit.

What you say with no fear of consequences shows that where and when you and I live is very liberal as seen as through the lens of world history. It is the equivalent of let them eat cake.
so you say...i say that freedom is one of the few things worth fighting for, and they don't have the balls to do it.
they stand up a little now, because it's them getting drafted. they didn't care one bit when it was "other" russians dying for their corrupt leader's war.
they grow this huge sense of decency when their lives are at stake, conveniently.
i have some respect for the ones actually doing something. the rest are cattle allowing themselves to be led by the nose, and they know it. that makes them just as responsible as putin, as far as i'm concerned.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
so you say...i say that freedom is one of the few things worth fighting for, and they don't have the balls to do it.
they stand up a little now, because it's them getting drafted. they didn't care one bit when it was "other" russians dying for their corrupt leader's war.
they grow this huge sense of decency when their lives are at stake, conveniently.
i have some respect for the ones actually doing something. the rest are cattle allowing themselves to be led by the nose, and they know it. that makes them just as responsible as putin, as far as i'm concerned.
our opinions differ.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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so you say...i say that freedom is one of the few things worth fighting for, and they don't have the balls to do it.
they stand up a little now, because it's them getting drafted. they didn't care one bit when it was "other" russians dying for their corrupt leader's war.
they grow this huge sense of decency when their lives are at stake, conveniently.
i have some respect for the ones actually doing something. the rest are cattle allowing themselves to be led by the nose, and they know it. that makes them just as responsible as putin, as far as i'm concerned.
It is one of the reasons Putin is fighting this war, the example of Ukraine right next door where Russian is spoken would be fatal to them and their bullshit imperial culture. Belarus would go too, another Russian speaking country and both have close cultural ties to Russia. They could not exist next door with prosperous liberal democratic neighbors while they live like shit under an autocrat. Ukraine and Belarus would be a magnet and offer aid and comfort to the enemies of the totalitarian regime, political groups, rebels and broadcasters, the most dangerous of all! Much of European Russia is in range of directed TV and radio transmitters on their borders and the Russians will be in a studio in Kiev or Minsk broadcasting western news and the EU lifestyle back home into mother Russia.

Most of the young brains who left Russia will end up there, it will be politics that decide if they get in and stay. Once they experience living and working there, their politics and outlook will change even more. Russia is a big project for reform, Ukraine and Belarus will have to do most of it, for their own good and survival. I expect a lot of post war effort in this area with the USA, UK and EU supporting it along with post war prosperity in Ukraine.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I believe Europe imported around 155 billion CM of gas a year from Russia and Ukraine might have as much as 5 trillion CM in gas reserves. The article outlines why Ukraine would be a good catch for the EU and why they need to not just kick the Russians out, but break their military and economic power too. If they harass the development of resources, they will need to be punished! Besides, Ukraine is well on its way to having the best air defense network in the world, short of America and Israel. If Europe buys energy from Ukraine some of the money will be used for its own defense and if they displace Russia as the primary energy supplier to Europe they will be very rich for a country of 44 million people. Needless to say they would be very well defended and will probably have the strongest military in Europe for decades as the arms dealers cash in.



Natural gas, rare earth minerals: What's at stake for Ukraine in the territory Russia is trying to conquer

Roughly 80 per cent of Ukraine's oil, natural gas and coal production reserves can be found in the Dnieper-Donetsk region, which has been the major focus of Russia's military operations to "liberate" the country, the SevDev report noted.

Equally importantly, Ukraine is thought to have the second-largest natural gas deposits in Europe, estimated at 1.2 trillion cubic metres of proven reserves — and possibly up to 5.4 trillion cubic metres, much of it the now-contested offshore Black Sea region.

The gains Russia has made thus far in the invasion mean Moscow now has control of two thirds of its neighbour's maritime shelf, which is where an estimated 80 per cent of Ukraine's offshore oil and natural gas deposits are found.

Invasion timing not a coincidence
The timing of Russia's military actions, and its choice of territory to conquer, is not a coincidence, said Oleksandr Kharchenko, the managing director of the Energy Industry Research Center, a research and consulting firm in Kyiv.

At the time of the 2014 annexation of Crimea, Ukraine had been in talks with the Shell Oil Co. and Chevron Corp. to develop the Black Sea reserves — plans that were scuppered because of Russia's actions.

The Black Sea is "a huge source of [natural] gas, which was [discovered] in Soviet time, and we have other sources that [were] clearly stopped because of [the] Russian invasion," he said.
 
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GoatSoup

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I believe Europe imported around 155 billion CM of gas a year from Russia and Ukraine might have as much as 5 trillion CM in gas reserves. The article outlines why Ukraine would be a good catch for the EU and why they need to not just kick the Russians out, but break their military and economic power too. If they harass the development of resources, they will need to be punished! Besides, Ukraine is well on its way to having the best air defense network in the world, short of America and Israel. If Europe buys energy from Ukraine some of the money will be used for its own defense and if they displace Russia as the primary energy supplier to Europe they will be very rich for a country of 44 million people. Needless to say they would be very well defended and will probably have the strongest military in Europe for decades as the arms dealers cashed in.



Natural gas, rare earth minerals: What's at stake for Ukraine in the territory Russia is trying to conquer

Roughly 80 per cent of Ukraine's oil, natural gas and coal production reserves can be found in the Dnieper-Donetsk region, which has been the major focus of Russia's military operations to "liberate" the country, the SevDev report noted.

Equally importantly, Ukraine is thought to have the second-largest natural gas deposits in Europe, estimated at 1.2 trillion cubic metres of proven reserves — and possibly up to 5.4 trillion cubic metres, much of it the now-contested offshore Black Sea region.

The gains Russia has made thus far in the invasion mean Moscow now has control of two thirds of its neighbour's maritime shelf, which is where an estimated 80 per cent of Ukraine's offshore oil and natural gas deposits are found.

Invasion timing not a coincidence
The timing of Russia's military actions, and its choice of territory to conquer, is not a coincidence, said Oleksandr Kharchenko, the managing director of the Energy Industry Research Center, a research and consulting firm in Kyiv.

At the time of the 2014 annexation of Crimea, Ukraine had been in talks with the Shell Oil Co. and Chevron Corp. to develop the Black Sea reserves — plans that were scuppered because of Russia's actions.

The Black Sea is "a huge source of [natural] gas, which was [discovered] in Soviet time, and we have other sources that [were] clearly stopped because of [the] Russian invasion," he said.
I have felt for a long time that Energy development in Ukraine was the primary reason for Putin's push into Ukraine. Think back to Rudy's fucking about in Ukraine, it was to get an oil deal. Hunter Biden's problem was over oil. It's all about the power of money!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I have felt for a long time that Energy development in Ukraine was the primary reason for Putin's push into Ukraine. Think back to Rudy's fucking about in Ukraine, it was to get an oil deal. Hunter Biden's problem was over oil. It's all about the power of money!
I think it is a combination of Russian imperialism that is historic and natural resources, Ukraine can cut Russia out of the European energy market if it was developed and why it wasn't goes back to Russia and the USSR. When they do kick Russia out of Ukraine and break their ability to project power, the oil and gas will be rapidly developed. I think the future NG will be used for power generation and industry to get Poland and Germany off coal and not so much for home use. They would be wise to sell as much of it as they can while they can, because the demand should diminish over the next couple of decades and the price will drop with demand. I think oil and gas producing countries will end up in a price war eventually as demand for some products like gasoline dries up and it becomes more of a buyers market.
 
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