Mixing Bloom Nutes???

[OldMedUser]

Giving 3 more doses of Grow Big before I switch to Maxi completely. They seem to like it. They have become fuller and the flowering has slowed just enough to focus on getting bushier. Can I give grow big veg nutes ALONG with a light dose of Maxi? Should I top still ya think? Thanks

They could as much double in height before they finish stretching as they go into flower tho 50% is more likely so how tall do you want them to get?

Shorter, bushier plants would be my preference so I would at least top the main stem. You don't have to snip off much. Just the little grow tip at the very top is enough.

Use some Maxi now, even less than half dose, but reduce the normal amount of the grow nutes by 25 - 40%. Do they seem to be at the start of flower yet? There are always a few pistils on mature plants but if it seems that there are more popping out then a good time to supplement with some bloom nutes.

Going outside in the smoke to fly my drone for a bit.

 

[Nifty420]

I wouldn't give any additives on top of the MaxiBloom as it isn't going to be much benefit. A PK Booster can be helpful during the swelling stage of the flowers growth, even then it isn't necessary, you could just increase how much feed you give and base strength off how plants look, if they are dark green then you could cut back a little, light green or showing deficiency just increase the maxi. Keep your pH in the 5.8-6.2 range with Maxi and you should be golden.

Here's my feed, working great on several different strains/plants.
5 ml/gal Armor Si
7 gr/gal MaxiBloom
1 gr/gal KoolBloom Dry weeks 4-6
pH Solution to 5.8-6.2
Mix each ingredient in the order listed, fully dissolve between adding new ingredients.

Above feed gives me 1.3 gpw (grams per watt) with LED. This is assuming your whole light footprint has buds under it.

These supplement products usually contain the same stuff as the base nutrients and will just throw your pH and nutrient ratios off when you add them to your feed. I would stick to all general hydroponics products and if you go off most of their guidelines they're pretty solid. Of course feed charts and instructions are guidelines, you may need to use a little less or more depending on your grow.

I've ran MANY full lines including CYCO, Heavy 16, Canna, Advanced Nutrients, House & Garden, Botanicare, Athena, Jack's, Green Planet and I can tell you MaxiBloom is the golden ticket. I wasted thousands of dollars on "nutrient lines" that did not get me any better results than 1 part maxibloom. My only things I use are General Hydroponics Armor Si, MaxiBloom and KoolBloom Dry. Here are some pics.. The buds in the pics were grown using maxi. Note how the last pic is only 3 products.
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Wow very nice! Love how clean your setup is .

 

[OldMedUser]

Purchased today!

Did you get some calibration sol'n for the pen? If they send some powdered stuff to mix up your own get a jug of distilled water from the drugstore to mix it accurately with. Make sure it's pure distilled and not the stuff with added minerals or fluoride.

 

[7CardBud]

Did you get some calibration sol'n for the pen? If they send some powdered stuff to mix up your own get a jug of distilled water from the drugstore to mix it accurately with. Make sure it's pure distilled and not the stuff with added minerals or fluoride.

Mine came with a little pouche of 1413 µS reference solution. They are calibrated at the factory. I remember when I got mine I checked it with
some GH 2930 µS solution I had on hand and it was only off by single digits. Thats good enough for me and my basic growing needs.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

They could as much double in height before they finish stretching as they go into flower tho 50% is more likely so how tall do you want them to get?

Shorter, bushier plants would be my preference so I would at least top the main stem. You don't have to snip off much. Just the little grow tip at the very top is enough.

Use some Maxi now, even less than half dose, but reduce the normal amount of the grow nutes by 25 - 40%. Do they seem to be at the start of flower yet? There are always a few pistils on mature plants but if it seems that there are more popping out then a good time to supplement with some bloom nutes.

Going outside in the smoke to fly my drone for a bit.

They are definitely in preflower. We didn’t get sun for awhile and now BOOM all day everyday. So they revegged for a bit and now they are preflowering with half inch pistils. The stretch has slowed a bit and they are getting fuller. I used a little less than a 3rd but more than a quarter dose for maxi feeding and they seem to take to it well. No signs of annoyance. I did see a bigger response to the grow big veg nute. They bushes out and sprung up a bit. I am gonna take your advice and top the first inch or two off. Do I need to do anything to the open wound like tape it or dab some iso on it? Sounds silly but I know it needs to be clean.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

Wow, thank you for the compliment. I don't feel it's done yet. That is the side of my grow that isn't done yet.
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TheBucketCompany 22" Drain trays with 1" PVC that runs to a drain (I like these wayy better than the round ones in the other side)
LUXX 645 LEDs
10 gal plastic pots with Coco/Perlite
I hand water, I used to use those halo drippers like you see on the table but it doesn't give as good of a watering as doing it by hand. You end up with channeling and issues from the water always only entering the soil in specific spots. I roll around in an office chair and hand water using a normal garden wand in a Brute bucket with wheels.

Is this good for the final dense grow of flowering?

 

[7CardBud]

Is this good for the final dense grow of flowering?

It's a market gimmick. A balanced nutrient designed for the plant's growth stage is all you need.
You have that in the MaxiBloom.

I would toss the stuff in a hopper full of lawn fertilizer and broadcast it.......dankest lawn in da hood.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

It's a market gimmick. A balanced nutrient designed for the plant's growth stage is all you need.
You have that in the MaxiBloom.

I would toss the stuff in a hopper full of lawn fertilizer and broadcast it.......dankest lawn in da hood.

Ha! Might have to do that to my 90 year old War veteran neighbors lawn that’s all patchy, bless him with the lushness. Coo I’ll stick with the goods. If my plants are preflowering hard right now will they still stretch going into full bloom? Last year they stopped atretching and went fully into blooming.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

Did you get some calibration sol'n for the pen? If they send some powdered stuff to mix up your own get a jug of distilled water from the drugstore to mix it accurately with. Make sure it's pure distilled and not the stuff with added minerals or fluoride.

Comes with it, I will send you a pic when I get it. One more big question…when I top the plants will I have to support the side branches because when the plant started out it didn’t have a lot of sun so the fan leaves were almost as thick as the side branches. I worry if the side branches get full buds it would snap easier than the main if I didn’t too. Does that make sense?

 

[OldMedUser]

Is this good for the final dense grow of flowering?

The Maxi is all you'll need for a bloom supplement. Adding any of that is overkill and likely to do more harm than good. If all you had is grow nutes then a bit of that would be OK.

Comes with it, I will send you a pic when I get it. One more big question…when I top the plants will I have to support the side branches because when the plant started out it didn’t have a lot of sun so the fan leaves were almost as thick as the side branches. I worry if the side branches get full buds it would snap easier than the main if I didn’t too. Does that make sense?

I mentioned on Page 1 about driving a bamboo stake into the pot then using long pipe cleaners or horticultural tape to attach the tops on the side branches to it or the main stem to hold up the side branches when the colas get heavy. I got long pipe cleaners from the Bargain Store or any place that sells craft supplies. If not long enough tie two together.

This is a plant I grew outside that was supposed to be an auto but didn't autoflower so had to build a greenhouse around it to get it to the finish line. The wife attached a cord for a water heater in the chicken coop and blew the breaker so my heater keeping the plant from freezing went off and she froze up so had to harvest a week or so earlier than I wanted to.

Turned into a 6' monster with huge colas. I first pounded in a bamboo stake then the whole plant started to fall over so I pounded in a length of rebar to support it all. Got a pound of 2:1 CBD:THC pot off her tho.

This is her 10 days before it froze up.



The horrible morning.



After cropping. You can see the branch supports. I had a remote temp sensor and a temp/rh meter tied in the middle of the plant to keep an eye on her thru a few snowfalls and temps down to -20C before she went down.



You also have to think about the pots tipping over in the wind or just from the weight of the plant especially if the pot dries out and gets light. Might have to pound a sharpened bamboo stake or some rebar down thru the pot into the ground to anchor them the last couple weeks. Not a bad problem to have.

 

[calvin.m16]

Is this good for the final dense grow of flowering?

You don't need anything but MaxiBloom in reality. I second the below post.That "Flower booster" additive has insanely high P & K numbers which might actually cause a lockout vs benefit your plants.

It's a market gimmick. A balanced nutrient designed for the plant's growth stage is all you need.
You have that in the MaxiBloom.

I would toss the stuff in a hopper full of lawn fertilizer and broadcast it.......dankest lawn in da hood.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

The Maxi is all you'll need for a bloom supplement. Adding any of that is overkill and likely to do more harm than good. If all you had is grow nutes then a bit of that would be OK.



I mentioned on Page 1 about driving a bamboo stake into the pot then using long pipe cleaners or horticultural tape to attach the tops on the side branches to it or the main stem to hold up the side branches when the colas get heavy. I got long pipe cleaners from the Bargain Store or any place that sells craft supplies. If not long enough tie two together.

This is a plant I grew outside that was supposed to be an auto but didn't autoflower so had to build a greenhouse around it to get it to the finish line. The wife attached a cord for a water heater in the chicken coop and blew the breaker so my heater keeping the plant from freezing went off and she froze up so had to harvest a week or so earlier than I wanted to.

Turned into a 6' monster with huge colas. I first pounded in a bamboo stake then the whole plant started to fall over so I pounded in a length of rebar to support it all. Got a pound of 2:1 CBD:THC pot off her tho.

This is her 10 days before it froze up.

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The horrible morning.

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After cropping. You can see the branch supports. I had a remote temp sensor and a temp/rh meter tied in the middle of the plant to keep an eye on her thru a few snowfalls and temps down to -20C before she went down.

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You also have to think about the pots tipping over in the wind or just from the weight of the plant especially if the pot dries out and gets light. Might have to pound a sharpened bamboo stake or some rebar down thru the pot into the ground to anchor them the last couple weeks. Not a bad problem to have.

So sorry to see that beauty take a hit but at least she is helping me to see how to support my plants…life goes on. I topped today. Gonna give them a fresh flush of water before any nutes and in a couple days do some light pruning to the undergrowth to encourage airflow and maybe slow flowering just a bit. 2 plants of a God variety sorta just topped themselves lol but this is how they are looking now….

 

[calvin.m16]

So sorry to see that beauty take a hit but at least she is helping me to see how to support my plants…life goes on. I topped today. Gonna give them a fresh flush of water before any nutes and in a couple days do some light pruning to the undergrowth to encourage airflow and maybe slow flowering just a bit. 2 plants of a God variety sorta just topped themselves lol but this is how they are looking now….

That landscape though...

 

[ZackAttackMack]

That landscape though...

Yeah it’s the backyard in between Avacado and orange groves. I had to trim back massive amounts of vines and shrubs on the hillside to make this spot. I can see the Channel Islands off the distance, the planes landing ant the airfield and the Pacific Ocean. Gotta question….when I stick the support bamboo stick into the pot, is there any other way than straight through the roots? I know old med said don’t worry about the roots but do you second that opinion? (No offense old med) I feel like stabbing and piercing the root system right near the stalk would shock the hell out of the plants…also on the last pic should I pull the fan leaves that are overlapping the bud sites?

 

[OldMedUser]

Yeah it’s the backyard in between Avacado and orange groves. I had to trim back massive amounts of vines and shrubs on the hillside to make this spot. I can see the Channel Islands off the distance, the planes landing ant the airfield and the Pacific Ocean. Gotta question….when I stick the support bamboo stick into the pot, is there any other way than straight through the roots? I know old med said don’t worry about the roots but do you second that opinion? (No offense old med) I feel like stabbing and piercing the root system right near the stalk would shock the hell out of the plants…also on the last pic should I pull the fan leaves that are overlapping the bud sites?

Indoors with a fixed point for the light source targeted pruning is helpful but outdoors the light hits from different angles thru the day and the leaves move in the wind so best to leave healthy leaves on as they are the plant's solar panels and more leaves = more food for the buds.

Put a tapered point on any stakes you push into the pots and root damage will be minimal. I've shoved two or three into pots half way thru flower and never seen any kind of shock. If you don't have support for some of the heavier laden side branches you'll be the one in shock after one of those storms roll in off the Pacific and half the branches are broken off.

I grew up on the west coast near Vancouver, BC so know what it can be like and we had Vancouver island to block some of it.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

Indoors with a fixed point for the light source targeted pruning is helpful but outdoors the light hits from different angles thru the day and the leaves move in the wind so best to leave healthy leaves on as they are the plant's solar panels and more leaves = more food for the buds.

Put a tapered point on any stakes you push into the pots and root damage will be minimal. I've shoved two or three into pots half way thru flower and never seen any kind of shock. If you don't have support for some of the heavier laden side branches you'll be the one in shock after one of those storms roll in off the Pacific and half the branches are broken off.

I grew up on the west coast near Vancouver, BC so know what it can be like and we had Vancouver island to block some of it.

Ok, well I trusted you on the topping, even though a guy just told me it’s not worth it to top this late, it won’t grow back in time…but I’ll trust you on the support bamboo/ties. Yeah I’m lucky Santa Barbara never really gets bad storms, we do have the Channel Islands that block a lot and it’s sort of like a reverse Bermuda Triangle here. If a storm did roll in you know I’d be out there like Lieutenant Dan holding on to the kolas like…come on MFer, you won’t take my girls!

 

[OldMedUser]

Ok, well I trusted you on the topping, even though a guy just told me it’s not worth it to top this late, it won’t grow back in time…but I’ll trust you on the support bamboo/ties. Yeah I’m lucky Santa Barbara never really gets bad storms, we do have the Channel Islands that block a lot and it’s sort of like a reverse Bermuda Triangle here. If a storm did roll in you know I’d be out there like Lieutenant Dan holding on to the kolas like…come on MFer, you won’t take my girls!

When you top the plant puts more energy into the buds on the branches. The colas that form under the topped part still get phat and overall you still get better yields. Indoors when plants stretch too tall rather than topping 3 weeks into flower you can just roll the stem hard between your thumb and fingers to soften it up and let the top flop over. Even if the stem cracks open the top cola will get even bigger than if left alone and the side colas also get larger as the plant acts as if it were topped.

I've tried all sorts of destructive things on plants over the last 22 years since growing steady up here just to see what would happen. If stress caused hermies every plant I grow would hermie as they all get abused in one way or another. Forgetting to water them is a biggy for me and I often find them all droopy when I finally check on them.

These things are a lot tougher than a lot of people give them credit for.

 

[ZackAttackMack]

Ok, well I trusted you on the topping, even though a guy just told me it’s not worth it to top this late, it won’t grow back in time…but I’ll trust you on the support bamboo/ties. Yeah I’m lucky Santa Barbara never really gets bad storms, we do have the Channel Islands that block a lot and it’s sort of like a reverse Bermuda Triangle here. If a storm did roll in you know I’d be out there like Lieutenant Dan holding on to the kolas like…come on MFer, you won’t take my girls!

When you top the plant puts more energy into the buds on the branches. The colas that form under the topped part still get phat and overall you still get better yields. Indoors when plants stretch too tall rather than topping 3 weeks into flower you can just roll the stem hard between your thumb and fingers to soften it up and let the top flop over. Even if the stem cracks open the top cola will get even bigger than if left alone and the side colas also get larger as the plant acts as if it were topped.

I've tried all sorts of destructive things on plants over the last 22 years since growing steady up here just to see what would happen. If stress caused hermies every plant I grow would hermie as they all get abused in one way or another. Forgetting to water them is a biggy for me and I often find them all droopy when I finally check on them.

These things are a lot tougher than a lot of people give them credit for.

yeah they are tough, really wanna try indoors for the winter but maybe a greenhouse with some lights. Some of the side branches seem like they are too tucked in to the sides from the cage. I want to let them out so they can get the most light exposure possible now that I have topped. Do you think I could cut the cage off and just put the pole in and tie the branches out a little bit. Does that make sense? Here’s a pic of how tucked in they are…

 

[OldMedUser]

yeah they are tough, really wanna try indoors for the winter but maybe a greenhouse with some lights. Some of the side branches seem like they are too tucked in to the sides from the cage. I want to let them out so they can get the most light exposure possible now that I have topped. Do you think I could cut the cage off and just put the pole in and tie the branches out a little bit. Does that make sense? Here’s a pic of how tucked in they are…

I know what you mean but I'd leave them alone. They will spread out on their own as they start packing on bud weight and the sun can easily get to all the leaves over the course of a day.

I would just get a support pole in each now then use that to support branches as they show they need it. Even borderline ones just in case a big wind does show up. Those last plants of mine outside got hit and each plant lost at least one lower branch that had decent buds on. The lower branches are generally the longest and outside they can have just as big top colas as the upper branches. Even their bottom buds are still decent nugs after trimming up and not likely to be thought of as popcorn.

I found all sorts of bugs on the plants and even clusters of aphids tucked away in bottom bud leaves but no significant bug damage on any of them. Certainly nothing I'd feel the need to spray anything at to get rid of them.

Outside here we still have 15 hours of light per day on Aug 15 which is about the time regular photo plants begin to flower so they never finish before we get snow or at least freezing temps for days. I started my autos the first of June and they were done before middle of Sept so at least I could get something out of an outdoor grow.