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CunningCanuk

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Where did you integrate to it may I ask. Is it one of my below mentioned. I also want to add I'm kind of jumping in here, as I haven't went any further back than this message. Went down a few. However it is worse but there's always been lots three tier Society for homeless , middle class, privileged. I don't think about it about it often unless it's directly in my face. Which obviously it is nowadays more than ever. I've been around this from the high to the low. It's depending City to City. We've always had people struggling or homeless, it's not even the richertowns have all the benefits here. There's some middle class that take very good care of their communities and succeed having a great community. Others fail miserably, Maple Ridge BC. Is the first that comes to mind. Are Fort Mac or Medicine Hat Vancouver Island . There's so many in that province, most focus on Vancouver but it's outrageous where it has grown. if the cities that don't have the problem had the same issues as the other cities. I don't think they could cope without some key components. One seems to be family, some sort of sports leagues. Thanks for the older people to do in the younger people that do. It's not just the younger people staying inside the older people as well. I think that is also a key feature. With that comes with isolation isolation comes choices, that are limited to typically comes to unhealthy addicted Behavior. Not in that order. would try, I don't believe they would succeed. California can't do it British Columbia can't do it. Toronto has never been able to do it. Nor Vancouver. Then you have Saskatchewan, one of the richest provinces. Top three, they have devastating gangs homelessness, if not homelessness severe poverty. It's also all through the Atlantic provinces each one. Having different degrees. Basically depending on per capita. If you want to do it that way. Just slide back to privilege it's not even privileged, it's cheaper at Mega decent wage I'm sure doctors and stuff are not as well off as they were. There's still a lot of expundances that they still have to suck up even though they charge for. They're not able to increase their prices the way certain other businesses can continue on a regular basis. Which is due to their increase in active, day-to-day business activities typically. As they have money coming from different accounts daily. There are also way overworked. Getting burnt out of changing and getting these so-called Millennial jobs. But it's not just Millennials taking these jobs. As I found out I come just before Generation Y. It suits my title. And probably most even the Gen X have to participate in the day-to-day activities of digital. They are more typically on the ladder as you get older. I guess we'll call that background information lol.break funny is there's more people with no money than there is ever. And the struggling amount of people has risen. I don't know if the privilege has risen. Seems like middle class is done though. Unless you put those people into the category that I mentioned. There's the Avenue of Entrepreneurship, which is great risen to rise wealth. I see homes being built all the all the time. Supposedly trying to make up for a housing Gap. And these places are always filled. Not typically with the people that are seeking from the low ranking who need these places. Due to the affordability, there might be a back kick to that where at least there's places available at a lower cost. That is still not affordable obviously. But available, which may relate to homeless again as eviction is inevitable. That makes me wonder what is recidivism back to the streets. I'm wondering is if that has risen as well. Along with the homeless. Do people actually get out find a place and back on the street. Due to finances just not doable. Maybe everything else is going great, again just can't keep up with bills. I suppose this is directed more at the people that are struggling not due to addiction. However those people recover and fall victim to such as well. Which may Spike a relapse in their addiction. just horrible. I'm not aware of your family background, families were stronger. Yes grandmother's took care of kids that's always been a thing has that risen as well yes. Props to the Generation Y and X that are doing this. that are doing this. I've gone way off topic the, just wanted to let you know I seen a lot of immigration homeless in Vancouver yes. But those people weren't young they were getting young yes. Obviously older people weren't getting younger LOL. But you could see the average age was going down. It's not about age at the moment though. I don't think it's even about expectations that we could afford to live like this. It's obviously we can't, our products resources scares I don't think so. A lot of this seems to be driven from taxation sadly. Or regulation or politics. As in most times it starts with the politics sadly not on thought of. The issue wasn't spoke of as much when I was young people were starting to hate the government yes I saw that. But one side always needs the government. As in we need it functioning body in order to absorb the funds allocated people still stay Rich regardless only way to get rid of that is to do away with government and that means a lot. Is there any country that has no government. Of any kind, that includes any kind of structure. I don't believe there's anywhere that doesn't do that. Even the most isolated Antarctica it's his plenty of laws and rules. I'm sure only the wealthiest of the wealth are getting to go there these days. I wonder what that number is. I'm sure it's down and more wealthier people. Maybe the same people that but they've gotten more wealthier. some of withered away. Have a great day I'm done typing on this one
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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Are you saying that you think if the "excessive fuel tax and lose the sham environmental tax" was just removed that your grocery bill would decrease? I agree that more tax on them is not the answer; the only solution is forcing the big three to be broken up and increase competition in the market.
I think that is possible, as the grocery biz is heavily dependent on transportation (that burns that icky oil stuff), and they're being bullied right now, so?? It would make my trip to buy groceries cheaper so it directly makes me feeding myself cheaper, so yeah the price to my life, will decrease. We have to do a lot of driving in these parts.
Breaking up the chains will make certain items (all local) cheaper, although pulling independent, equipped businesspersons out of thin air, and expecting the newly legislated against, chains to openly share their logistic empires for the sake of their own demise, is not happening.
Everytime government legislates unfavourably against large businesses, people lose their jobs and their homes. Those people used to be the 'someone' that are going to pay for any additional government spending (ie: forcing, new gov't housing corporations etc. etc.), working Canadians. Canadians, that fortunately have the right to vote.
I do not see Capitalism as an evil, greed is the evil and socialist nations are better at it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I do not see Capitalism as an evil, greed is the evil and socialist nations are better at it.
I don't see capitalism as evil either and not all rich people are assholes. However, both capitalism and technology tend to concentrate wealth. A large wealth imbalance is bad for democracy and the economy, an economy is an ecosystem of sorts, and the little fish have to eat too. Corruption is like the friction in the gears of a liberal democracy and the rich are always trying to buy politicians or power in general. Decades of lobbying by thousands of lobbyists have had their effect over decades, more so in America, but here too.

The problems with our society have more to do with wealth imbalance and who the economy works for than many realize and are at the root of cynicism and things like homelessness, problems with healthcare, education and government debt. We can't tax the rich until the Americans do, fundamental change must come from there and be international, Biden proposed a multinational tax treaty to deal with it.

Yes, groceries depend on fuel costs, but fuel cost increases don't track at all with grocery price increases, greedflation does explain it though. The government can use contractors to build low rent housing units and later sell them to private interests when the market stabilizes or employ any number of policies to address the acute housing shortage in the country. Governments should not run economies, but they should regulate and stimulate them. Even if a federal crown corporation-built housing on government land, they would use private contractors to build it and probably to manage it too, until sold off slowly over time so not as to affect markets all at once.

Do you think that with the gains in productivity and technology, that we should have a higher standard of living than in the 1970s or 1980's? My dad worked as a laborer and my mother never worked (outside the home), yet we lived a middle-class lifestyle, and he could afford a house and car. Not many working people can afford a home with two people working in a major Canadian city these days and even here in Cape Breton housing prices and rents have gone up quite a bit. We should be living much better than we are, so should the Americans, but starting with Reagan the rules of the game were changed and FDRs new deal died.
 

CANON_Grow

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I think that is possible, as the grocery biz is heavily dependent on transportation (that burns that icky oil stuff), and they're being bullied right now, so?? It would make my trip to buy groceries cheaper so it directly makes me feeding myself cheaper, so yeah the price to my life, will decrease. We have to do a lot of driving in these parts.
Breaking up the chains will make certain items (all local) cheaper, although pulling independent, equipped businesspersons out of thin air, and expecting the newly legislated against, chains to openly share their logistic empires for the sake of their own demise, is not happening.
Everytime government legislates unfavourably against large businesses, people lose their jobs and their homes. Those people used to be the 'someone' that are going to pay for any additional government spending (ie: forcing, new gov't housing corporations etc. etc.), working Canadians. Canadians, that fortunately have the right to vote.
I do not see Capitalism as an evil, greed is the evil and socialist nations are better at it.
Being bullied you say? Are you kidding me right now, because that is absurd.

First from the Financial Post:
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Now I'm sure you are going to bring up the talking points from Galen et al, that it's not groceries driving record profits. You'd think if that was true they would want to prove it to the competition bureau, right?
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Now, we can also have a look what came out from the Agriculture and Agri-Food committee:

Corporate Profits in Sectors Serving the Agri-Food Supply Chain
Dr. Stanford explained that his analysis of Statistics Canada data on corporate profits found that 15 “strategic sectors” in the Canadian economy, including oil and gas, banking, food and beverage retail, and food and beverage manufacturing, reported a $142.9 billion increase in their annual net income since 2019, while aggregate profits in 37 other sectors declined over the same period.
Dr. D.T. Cochrane, Economist and Policy Researcher, Canadians for Tax Fairness, explained his view of this phenomenon:

[T]he profit margin of Canadian corporations jumped significantly in 2021. From an average pre-tax margin of 9% over the previous two decades, the margin reached almost 16% in 2021. Preliminary data for 2022 suggests that profit margins remained elevated. Corporations are not just passing along higher costs. Many are taking advantage of turmoil throughout the global economy to boost profit margins… The question of who gets to pass along higher costs, who has to absorb higher costs, and who gets to pass along more than higher costs is one of power and redistribution. Currently, some of Canada's biggest corporations have a lot of pricing power. Unsurprisingly, they are taking advantage of it, to the detriment of Canadians.

So this has been studied, like really studied; gas companies and grocers are making way extra bank, but you're still going with 'JT's carbon tax' is the reason your wallet is lighter? You do understand who is going to have to cover the costs of climate change, just look at what is happening in Florida. When the last of the insurers pull out, who has to step up? Don't think it's going affect you? Just wait, you'll see what happens come policy renewal time.

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While it's likely best for the country that JT passes leadership duties on to someone else, we will all being paying for climate change caused by excess carbon either through taxes or the consequences of not preventing further change. I will say this though, I am very grateful we had JT in charge when CUSMA was negotiated, and so thankful it was not Harper (or his acolyte PP). Let us not forget what Harper said during negotiations:
"Canada's government needs to get its head around this reality: it does not matter whether current American proposals are worse than what we have now. What matters in evaluating them is whether it is worth having a trade agreement with the Americans or not."

Harper basically suggested that Canada should just accept whatever the US was offering, when even the American's knew that wasn't possible. So you may think JT is bad, but aren't you glad he isn't that ^ bad?

You mentioned Chrystia Freeland taking over, albeit mockingly. At least we know that she had the stones to stand up for Canadian labour, Canadians in general. I can only imagine what Bitcoin Milhouse would do.
 

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Famed investor Peter Schiff says that married women in the workforce are partly to blame for today's housing crisis — and he got blasted for it. Here's his explanation
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Oh yeah, this is another thing unions do, unions are progressive and inclusive, they are a positive social force working down where it counts the most, at the grass roots. Unions don't just fight for higher wages, better working conditions and worker's rights, they fight for human rights, inclusiveness and social justice too. Many on the right hate them for this and the rich have their reasons too.

Unions aren't socialism, they just make capitalism work better and for more people. They are one of the very few forces countering the super-rich for economic control of our society, if not them, who else?

 

DIY-HP-LED

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That's the problem for the right as they try to make education as expensive and life crippling as possible. More and more able people join the regular work force, and they end up running unions. Formal education is expensive these days, but an informal one is free and at one's fingertips online, for those smart enough to take advantage of it. I think you will see Unions rise again, because formal education has become too expensive for many bright people. People don't want to attend meetings anymore and hear labor speeches, so some form of online interaction will develop, a social media platform perhaps. If the pathway to higher education is blocked for most, then you will see a lot smarter creative people in the labor movement as a result. It does need some government support, or at least neutrality and not have a hostile right-wing government who serve the rich. One of the first things rightwing governments do is attack unions, they oppose their base of bigots and suckers, as well as their paymasters.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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So what do you want, grocery stores to have special rules restricting their profit? Declare it an essential service and make grocery biz a crown corporation, there for our protection?
Farmers and taxpayers will continue to get the shaft.
It would be nice to be able to have steak more often, but it looks like the thai lemon chicken slurry McNuggets are on sale this week in the back corner freezer of the Giant Tiger. Can't afford the All-dressed Ruffles without a secret club membership these days as the lady ahead of me taps a mega super all perks in Mastercard at the self checkout. LOL
It sucks that Canadians dither about band-aid solutions to ongoing ills without treating the cause of the problems. We need a strong leader, one doesn't stand out, ATM, but we had high hopes giving the inexperienced celebrity a chance. The voters will hand the reigns to someone else, so hopefully the pessimism will be as short-lived as the elation of getting rid of Harper.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So what do you want, grocery stores to have special rules restricting their profit? Declare it an essential service and make grocery biz a crown corporation, there for our protection?
Farmers and taxpayers will continue to get the shaft.
It would be nice to be able to have steak more often, but it looks like the thai lemon chicken slurry McNuggets are on sale this week in the back corner freezer of the Giant Tiger. Can't afford the All-dressed Ruffles without a secret club membership these days as the lady ahead of me taps a mega super all perks in Mastercard at the self checkout. LOL
It sucks that Canadians dither about band-aid solutions to ongoing ills without treating the cause of the problems. We need a strong leader, one doesn't stand out, ATM, but we had high hopes giving the inexperienced celebrity a chance. The voters will hand the reigns to someone else, so hopefully the pessimism will be as short-lived as the elation of getting rid of Harper.
It won't be PeePee, he is bought and paid for, corporate property, he just feeds a little red meat to morons who he will screw in the end. Culture wars are for suckers, these people are interested in money and owning the government. They would give you death camps for minorities if it helped them to get elected so they could cut taxes for the rich and are just a lite version of the republicans down south and headed in the same direction.
 

Cannasaurus Rex

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That's the problem for the right as they try to make education as expensive and life crippling as possible. More and more able people join the regular work force, and they end up running unions. Formal education is expensive these days, but an informal one is free and at one's fingertips online, for those smart enough to take advantage of it. I think you will see Unions rise again, because formal education has become too expensive for many bright people. People don't want to attend meetings anymore and hear labor speeches, so some form of online interaction will develop, a social media platform perhaps. If the pathway to higher education is blocked for most, then you will see a lot smarter creative people in the labor movement as a result. It does need some government support, or at least neutrality and not have a hostile right-wing government who serve the rich. One of the first things rightwing governments do is attack unions, they oppose their base of bigots and suckers, as well as their paymasters.
Without disagreeing, how do we compete, in a global economy, when our competitors (which us residents choose to spend on) have no such worker protection? We are left with unions among domestic production and government services. This leaves the vast majority of workers in this country unrepresented by union protection, benefits, et al.
Unless you see the 'Unions rise again', unionized workers will continue to be (in effect) an elite class representing a minority of Canadians. Unless a resourced based insurgency happens, I predict no Union rise. Union membership depends on big multi-nationals flourishing in our country, or we're just handing the same loonie around.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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C'mon dude.
They already promote hate and associate with extremist right-wing groups and would pander to them.
Without disagreeing, how do we compete, in a global economy, when our competitors (which us residents choose to spend on) have no such worker protection? We are left with unions among domestic production and government services. This leaves the vast majority of workers in this country unrepresented by union protection, benefits, et al.
Unless you see the 'Unions rise again', unionized workers will continue to be (in effect) an elite class representing a minority of Canadians. Unless a resourced based insurgency happens, I predict no Union rise. Union membership depends on big multi-nationals flourishing in our country, or we're just handing the same loonie around.
Unions raise wages for everybody, and free people should not have to compete with slaves who have no rights. It will all be moot in a couple of decades as robots do most of the work and the rich can afford the robots, capitalism and technology tend to concentrate wealth. It is a problem that not just one liberal democracy can deal with in a global world and cheap labor will become less of a factor as automation rises. Most jobs in North America we lost to automation, not shipping jobs overseas. Here is what the problem of wealth imbalance looks like, we tackled it at the beginning of the 20th century in the states by antitrust laws and Teddy Roosvelt, Canada had its version too. Then in FDR had his new deal, which lasted until Reagan killed it and then all the gains that technology and increased efficiency brought went to the top 10% and everybody else stagnated.

We need a new, new deal because wealth imbalance is hurting our societies, and we see the results, it is very bad for democracy too. Capitalism was never pure, they taxed the people for an army to defend it, even in ancient times. The British did the same with the Royal Navy, who benefitted the rich most of all, likewise American capitalism is backed up by military power that everybody pays for.

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U.S. wealth distribution Q1 2023In the first quarter of 2023, 69 percent of the total wealth in the United States was owned by the top 10 percent of earners. In comparison, the lowest 50 percent of earners only owned 2.4 percent of the total wealth.Jul 17, 2023
U.S. wealth distribution 2023 - Statista


 
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CANON_Grow

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It won't be PeePee, he is bought and paid for, corporate property, he just feeds a little red meat to morons who he will screw in the end. Culture wars are for suckers, these people are interested in money and owning the government. They would give you death camps for minorities if it helped them to get elected so they could cut taxes for the rich and are just a lite version of the republicans down south and headed in the same direction.
Does a pretty good PP impression.
 
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