Please..anyone..help!!..i think she's dying!

[Mistasmoke]

Hey everyone,
I'm exactly at Week 3, day one of the vegetavive stage and I woke up to this yesterday morning. What little I could gleam by looking around, it seems to be a phosphorus deficiency buy I'm not sure. I have Sensi Grow A and B beginner and Sensi Bloom A and B beginner but I was told I shouldn't fertilize til she's a month old. There's some phosphorus in the Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom ferts but I am really not knowing what to do here. Please help cuz I think if this keeps up she'll die in a week or two. Here's the link to my original post when I first planted her and the all the stuff I got. There's pics of my ferts too in case no one knows the ratios. If you need them let me know and I'll post the exact NPK ratios listed on all four bottles but I think I'm way off so please....anyone....help....what do I do? I don't think it's the lights cuz I moved them up to about two feet to avoid burning the leaves but the temp. wont go down below 84 or 82 degr. so I don't know it could be that so anyone pleaaaaase help me out? I'll be back in a few after I eat....
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/129321-first-time-grower-needs-step.html

 

[buggs bunny]

looks like its phosphorous deficent

 

[Bubba Kushman]

I dont think shes dying but its time to give her some nutes if you havent. Week 3 is a good time to start. Start @ 1/4 strenght then add more slowly. Phosphorous is supposed to cause small dark leaves and slow, stunted growth! You should check the FAQs. How often do you water and do you use good water or just tap? Do you check your ph? Those could all be a problem.

 

[buggs bunny]

I dont think shes dying but its time to give her some nutes if you havent. Week 3 is a good time to start. Start @ 1/4 strenght then add more slowly. Phosphorous is supposed to cause small dark leaves and slow, stunted growth! You should check the FAQs. How often do you water and do you use good water or just tap? Do you check your ph? Those could all be a problem.

jorge cervantes book says leaves are smaller,bluish green and often with blotches!

 

[Stoney Jake]

you said it doesnt get below 82 degrees? whats the max temps?
what size pot are they in by the way?

 

[Mistasmoke]

Yeah, I kinda figured she had a Phosphorus deficiency but I'm confused on the nutes I got..Sensi Grow A and Sensi Grow B for veging and for flowering Sensi Grow Bloom A and B for flowering. But only S.G. B contains phosphorus 2.2%(see pic below for complete NPK ratio and ingredients for both S.G. A and B. If I decide to go with part B first since it contains phosphorus, although not 5% like it said in a link is needed to cure the deficincy. What should I do? Double, or 1/4 strength,something else? There's no instructions for soil planters and I understand squat about the charts listed on the containers so I posted pics below and I'm hoping maybe someone here does know. I'm growing in perlite soil by the way, not hydroponically and the directions listed are for a hydrosystem. The mix chart is the same on both part A and B containers.

She's in a 1.5 quart plastic planter with soil mixed with perlite for drainage bought from Walmart. I got a cool sprayer to water her with, around the plant and never directly on the root as I also believe I read here somewhere. And the temps, no matter what I do, fan going in there with and open window for circulatiion and I got a small Home Depot circulation fan for movement to stimulate a strong stem, stays between 82 to 85 degrees with 4 T5 Flourescents at approximately 1.5feet above her. I don't want to put them any closer because of burn, although I thought with Flourescents you could get really close without burning the leaves and that it was actually good for growth? 2 inches above it said somewhere else I read. Is that true? The water is just clean tap water and it's been in gallons in the pantry more than 3 days at room temp to filter out as many harmful chemicals as possible. I'm watering, again because it's hard to tell what's too much and too little with the sprayer(but it's nice and neat.), about 1 to two times a day if I see it's necessary because of the finger one inch in the dirt rule. I feel it kinda, KINDA dry, not extremely dry, but kinday so I try and water her everytime I feel that dryness and the dirt look really loose up top. If I see that it's dry up top then I always do the finger thing but I'm scared one of these days I'm gonna get some roots tangled up or something.

One other huge question I forgot to ask, I've had her veging for 3 weeks as I stated under 4 T5Flourescents, but 2 are grow spectrum light and 2 are bloom spectrum light. I read somewhere giving them both types at the same time was good. Am I wrong? Because I DO happen to have 2 more grow bulbs put away I can swap the bloom ones for if that IS indeed what's called for. Therefore giving it nothing but Grow Spectrum light during the veging period and then only the 4 bloom spectrum for flowering? Please let me know cuz I have strong doubts.

Should I transplant her at this point by the way? And if so what size planter? And thanks for the responses guys but please don't stop cuz I'm far from outta the frying pan...anything I missed please let me know. And sorry I got back late...I hadn't eaten anything and I was starving..

 

[Mistasmoke]

here's some more pics of the grow area and the Sensi Bloom Part A ingredients..

 

[Stoney Jake]

I use t5's in my veggy chamber and I keep them about 3-6 inches away. Never burnt them. It will get bushier if the light is closer. Doesnt seem to be stretching so its probably alright.

I only have 5480+6500 lights in my veggy chamber but I have heard many people on here say that having both for vegging and flowering are the way to go. You wouldnt have to change out the bulbs at least lol

Are you going to transplant into a bigger pot? It could be getting root bound.
I hear the rule of thumb is 1 gallon for every foot its going to grow. Most strains get at least 2 feet tall because the stretching while flowering. Unless you have some auto flowering lowryders or something like that. The one I have in flowering now was 11" when I put it into flowering and it just settled at 25".
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Id get some of those 2-3 gallon grow bags. They are about $.30 a piece at my local grow store. Probably cheaper online. I paid like $3.50 after tax for a pack of 10

 

[Mistasmoke]

I use t5's in my veggy chamber and I keep them about 3-6 inches away. Never burnt them. It will get bushier if the light is closer. Doesnt seem to be stretching so its probably alright.

I only have 5480+6500 lights in my veggy chamber but I have heard many people on here say that having both for vegging and flowering are the way to go. You wouldnt have to change out the bulbs at least lol

Are you going to transplant into a bigger pot? It could be getting root bound.
I hear the rule of thumb is 1 gallon for every foot its going to grow. Most strains get at least 2 feet tall because the stretching while flowering. Unless you have some auto flowering lowryders or something like that. The one I have in flowering now was 11" when I put it into flowering and it just settled at 25".
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1.5 US quarts = 0.375 US gallons[/SIZE]
Id get some of those 2-3 gallon grow bags. They are about $.30 a piece at my local grow store. Probably cheaper online. I paid like $3.50 after tax for a pack of 10

Thanks for clearing up my doubts about the lights Stoney. I'll put them closer now that I know. And I knew I read that somewhere about the 2 types of light. Pheww! And I don't think they've stretched cuz of the stunted growth from the phosphorus deficiency. And I do have a 3 gallon planter around here so I'll transplant also since she is looking a little big for the 1.5'er already. Now the most important part, the Nute distribution for soil, I've got a lead on that I'm gonna check right now. If it's what I'm looking for I'll post the link since alot of people online seem to be asking the same questions about Sensi Grow products used with soil.

 

[Mistasmoke]

It's been three days and no one has commented. Come on guys, I know I'm not the only one with this problem am I? If I don't get these nutes in her soon she's gonna start to get crispy and yellowy and turn brittle like one leaf already has and a couple more just started to turn. Pleeeeeease someone point me in the direction of a mixing and feeding schedule for Sensi Grow A and Sensi Grow B. I've been scouring online all day and have found jack. Pleeeeeease HeeeeeelP!

 

[autotek500]

Just mix 1/2 tsp. per gallon of water and water every other day for one week and see how she does.If you dont feed her she will die. this will be better than nothing untill we can find the info you are looking for.Im not sure you'll ever find a converson chart from hydro to dirt for your nutes.If it was me I would try this for a week if she responds good which I think she will then just bump up your nutes gradually until you get to 1.3 tsp. per gallon. This is just my opinion after looking at the charts. and yes I know what they say about opinions...lol...I hope this will help

 

[Mistasmoke]

Thanks my friend. Now, when you say 1/2 teaspoon. Do you mean 1/2 a teaspoon of each, SG A and B in to one gallon? Or is it 1/2 teaspoon of A in one gallon, 1/2 teaspoon of B in another, and then mix up both gallons? This was probably the thing that had me the most frustrated cuz nobody where I would read would specify. And thanks man, I wus scurred for a second there..

 

[panhead]

Hey bud,sorry for the delay but it's the holidays & the wife is keeping me busy as hell,you know the drill.

Anyhow looking at the pics you posted im not seeing anything dangerous to the point of the plant going to die soon,whatever is going on is very minimual,what i see looks more along the lines of a ph problem or something else,before i go into ph issues let me ask you this,is there a possibility that another person in the home is farting around with the plant,trying to help without telling you ?

The reason i ask is because the leaf's do not look like they are lacking nutrients to me,the damaged leaves appear to have had water with fertilizer in it spilled on the leaf surface,then left on the leaf to bake under the lights,is there a possibility that the wife is trying to help ?If there is that possibility she needs to stop now,only one grower at a time.

Other than the bad spots the plants look pretty good with nice tight node spacing,that shows they are not stretching at all from the light being too high.

Ok with that being said i highly doubt that adding fertilizer to the soil is the answer to correcting the damage,unless the soil your using is completely depleted & barren of all nutrients then the nutes within the soil will easily carry a 3 week old plant,being that your chosen soil mix has what appears to be wood chips floating around in it there is a possibility that something is going on in the soil,i stay away from woody soil mixes for just that reason.

There are a few things you can do without adding ferilizer to the soil.

Unless you've found proper mixing ratios for the sensi bloom fertilizer then forget the product for now,fertilizer is fertilizer & there is little or no difference in expensive botique (hydro shop) nutes & off the shelf nutes like Miracle grow or other brands.

Go to home depot & get a jug of Miracle Grow All purpose 24-8-16 plant food,this fertilizer contains everything a plant needs including all the micro nutrients that most hydro liquid fertilizers are lacking,while your at home depot pick up a spray bottle to mist the plants with,do not use a empty household cleaner bottle as ive seen many guys use.

Once you get the fertilizer & spray bottle mix the fertilizer at a 25% ratio & let stand overnight,the next day spray the entire plant heavily until all leaf surfaces & all areas of the plant are ringing wet & leaves have water run off,turn the lights off until the plant dries 100%,drying should be complete within 2 to 3 hours & will not hurt the plant,do this every other day for 3 applications,on the days inbetween foliar feeding with the 25% ratio mist the plants heavily with plain room temp water,this will rinse off any salts that the plants did not absorb,if there is a nutrient problem foliar feeding at a 25% ratio will correct the problem much faster than soil feeding.

At the same time your going to need to start checking the ph of your tap water & the soil,this is where my money lies on being the problem,is your tap water hard water or well water ?,if so stop using it & get bottled water,you'll need a basic ph test kit from wallmart,petsmart or a pool supply along with one bottle ph up & one bottle ph down,stay away from quick fix ph things like vinegar,baking soda & lemon jiuce & buy the proper chemicals as the whole shebang will only cost $20 or so.

Start by testing the water the plant is being fed,in a perfect world you want a ph range of 6.5 to 7.0,if the water is not within this range then adjust it with the corresponding lower/raise product until its within the acceptable range.

Now water the plant with the properly ph'ed water until the runoff is extremely excessive,not just a few drops but until the water flows heavily from the bottom of the planter,this will flush any concentrated salt build up from the soil as well as take you to yout next step which is testing the ph of the soil,when the flow from the pot has slowed but not stopped take a cup & put it under a drain hole,tilt the pot to allow more runoff to reach the single hole,now measure the ph of the water runoff.

Doing this will tell you roughly what the ph of your soil is because you know what the ph of the water going in was,if the ph was way off then the soil can only act as a buffer so long before problems arise,watering with properly ph'ed water from this point on will correct any soil ph problems.

Try foliar feeding as i outlined above as well as testing the water & correcting any ph issues as outlined & you'll find the culprit.

If i was you i'd also loose that soil mix,just looking at the wood chips floating all over the soil tells me that keeping a constant ph level in the soil will be very hard,wood will collect & hold nutrient salts,then release them as water is applied to the soil mix causing an unknown variable..

 

[Mistasmoke]

Happy Holidays my friend! Glad to hear everything is kosher with you. And wow man, I would be pulling my hair out right now if not for you. A lot of straightforward and useful information is just what I needed. I'll give all of that a go tomorrow. Tonight I'll feed her bottled spring water. I got a ph test so I'll test it. I just need the up and down solution. Can I get that at Walmart or any of the stores you mentioned also? And if you get any info on the Sensi Grow soil chart and toss it my way that would also be great. That thing is like the Holy Grail. Thanks again buddy, don't know how I could ever do this without you, even with all the great people here. Any further problems I might have I'll be sure to let you know.

 

[panhead]

Im sure the sensi grow product line is excelent fertilizer,many people use them & have excellent success,the problem is that they are hydro nutrients,even though they contain the same things as granular soil fertilizers they are used differently,hydro growers measure ppm while soil growers do not,this is why i reccomend easy to use granular ferts with easy to follow directions.

Meijers & wallmart should have ph lower/raise but if they dont for sure petsmart or any other chain pet store or fish tank store will have the products,i get mine at petsmart most of the time.

 

[Stoney Jake]

Im not familiar with sensi grow nutes bro, sorry
I can tell you that the nutes I use for grow have the nutrients at 12-6-6. I didnt even need to use it durring vegging because the soil Im using has 25% worm castings in it.
When I tried to use some at week 3 it burnt the tips.

Have you transplanted yet? I really think it may be root bound. 3 weeks in that pot is a long time. Transplant and give it a few days to see if it helps

Sorry that your only getting help from a new grower like me but I have read hundreds of little facts on this so Im pretty knowledgeable.

(sorry I had to throw in a pic of my little lady too )


Edit: didnt notice all the posts on the second page when I posted this. Sorry

 

[autotek500]

I wouldn't put miracle gro an anything but a shelf If you want to burn up your plant just dump some mg in the pot and just to make sure spray some on the leaves . that is the most ludicris thing I have ever heard......

 

[Stoney Jake]

I wouldn't put miracle gro an anything but a shelf If you want to burn up your plant just dump some mg in the pot and just to make sure spray some on the leaves . that is the most ludicris thing I have ever heard......

Ive heard nothing but bad things about MG as well. If you do use it, do it at like 1/8th strength . Thats what I heard

 

[autotek500]

If you mix it any where near the dir. on the bottle you will burn your plants to a crisp ...been there done that...back in the day....lol...I'd stay away from MG....just a suggestion.....good luck and keep us posted..........

 

[panhead]

I wouldn't put miracle gro an anything but a shelf If you want to burn up your plant just dump some mg in the pot and just to make sure spray some on the leaves . that is the most ludicris thing I have ever heard......

Fertilizer is fertilizer my friend,no secret mixes or special ingredients,the problem with miracle grow is that the directions are too strong for marijuana plants not whats in the fertilizer,this is a problem suffered by many off the shelf ferts not just miracle grow.

And so you know there is nothing wrong with foliar feeding a plant through its leaves,even with miracle grow,any fert will burn if used improperly & to excess,a 25% mix ratio will never burn a plant,foliar feeding is a long used & greatly accepted pratice.