Please..anyone..help!!..i think she's dying!

panhead

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Ive heard nothing but bad things about MG as well. If you do use it, do it at like 1/8th strength . Thats what I heard
What you've heard does not make it true nor does it make it correct,not trying to be rude but there is too much misinformation passed around this hobby from people repeating what they've heard, instead of what they know works from personal experience.
 

demonofthefall0116

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to start it looks like a ph and nutrient deficiency. get some fertilizer. 8-4-4 or any fertilizer that has greater amounts of nitrogen then potassium and phosphorus. but by no means does ur plant look fatal. for the way ur plantins growing id get a slightly larger pot. idk wat kind of watter ur using but dont use tap if thats what u are using.
 

Mistasmoke

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Thanks everyone for your helpful insights. I was busy with other stuff yesterday but I found a place where I live that supposedly sells alot of the stuff I need. Let's just say I'm not in the states right now. I'll be sure to report once I get back. I'm planning on transplanting into new soil as per Panheads recomendation in an earlier post. I'll post later on tonight to show the results. I figured transplanting her was the main priority since that way she'll have new healthy soil and ph shouldn't be a problem. Then I'll check the ph levels and wutnot and see if theyre good. Be back later....and thanks again everybody!
 

Mistasmoke

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...long day today and I had a bunch of stuff to do but now I'm back. Okay, couldn't go to Home Depot for the Miracle Grow but I got some with the same NPK ratio (24-8-16). Only problem is I don't know how to mix it up. Doesn't come with mixing directions since it has a hose attachment. Also, I bought two bags of lava rocks and soil with perlite. How does that soil look to you guys. The lady said it has coconut hair in it so I don't know. Looks like wood to me but not as much as the other soil she's in at the time. Can I transplant her in a mixture of both lava rocks and the new soil I bought? Or should I go with either or? I couldn't find any other kind of soil so this'll have to do in the meantime. So I'm ready to transplant, I got some transplant solution here too..kinda old though...don't know if that stuff expires or not, and I'm ready to give her a cleansing like you said Panhead with the miracle grow solution at 25% ration but I need the mixing instructions when it's in powder form like this. Got any idea? Or is it even necessary since I got lava rocks now? Should I just go with the lava rocks and use the Sensi Grow ferts since rocks have less or no nutrients? Mind you I still have no idea how to mix that stuff up so... Just let me know what to do with this stuff and I'll be off to the races following the instructions you gave me yesterday. But considering I got lava rocks now and I read somewhere that they're great for growing plants in, better than dirt, I'd like some advice on how to incorporate them either alone or with the dirt mixture. Even if I transplant successfully with either or rocks or dirt I'll probably have to give it a foilage wash every other day for three days like you said Panhead anyways right? Ok...Thanks guys and again sorry I got back so late....I'm hoping to get this done tonight so any help will be appreciated...
 

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panhead

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Hey bud,im completely lost at this point,i have no idea what type grow medium you have there,i need more info on what that growing medium is,i need to know what brand it is & hopefully a picture of the package,it looks like a pro mix but i cant tell.

I have zero experience in growing in soil less mediums like lava rock or pure coco,if the soil you have is a pro mix i can help but if its pure coco & other non soil amendments it will take us into an area where i am not experienced,if it is a standard pro mix like it appears to be then were good to go,is it a pro mix ?

The fertilizer you bought is not for houseplants,it is intended to be attached to a garden hose & sprayed over large areas of lawns,possible acreage,it would not be wise to use that stuff under any circumstances.

Here are a few links to fertilizers i have lots of experience with,these fertilizers come with mixing directions & feeding schedules intended for house plants.

The 1st link is of Jacks products,they are hands down the best granular house plant fertilizers on the market & are highly reccomended if you can find them,this is what i use & i order them by credit card.

http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/products.asp?dept=1152

This link is for miracle grow garden fertilizer,its a synthetic fertilizer & that is what makes it burn very easy,it can be used with great success but caution must be used & mixed very weak like we've talked about but it does work well.

http://www.scotts.com/smg/catalog/productTemplate.jsp?tabs=general&proId=prod70358&itemId=cat70048&id=cat50006

If you have to order fertilizer online because its not in stores where you ar at please order the Jacks/Peters brand,it is made from ultra high quality salts that are very easy on plants even if you over fertilize them,they really are the benchmark in granular fertilizers.

I cant help with the fertilizer you have right now,i'd suggest using the sensi grow until you can obtain a proper soil fertilizer,i will email a few guys i know who grow in hydro systems to try & get mixing directions for the sensi grow so we can get going here.
 

Stoney Jake

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What you've heard does not make it true nor does it make it correct,not trying to be rude but there is too much misinformation passed around this hobby from people repeating what they've heard, instead of what they know works from personal experience.
Ok everyone else is wrong Mr. MG lol
why not just steer him in the right direction instead of being lame. You can use nothing at all and have success. Only needs water and light to grow if you want to be like that. I thought we were trying to give the best advise.

Have fun with Mr. MG

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panhead

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Ok everyone else is wrong Mr. MG lol
why not just steer him in the right direction instead of being lame. You can use nothing at all and have success. Only needs water and light to grow if you want to be like that. I thought we were trying to give the best advise.

Have fun with Mr. MG

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Boy oh boy,alot of you new guys here sure are a pouty bunch of lil fellers,did ya ever think that the problems you or others had with the product could possibly be because you were a new grower,new nothing about growing then made all kinds of mistakes,could that be even remotely possible ?

The thing about mg products is that they are what most newbs start out with,being a newb they have no clue what they are doing,they allways over fertilize thinking they are doing the plant good,then burn the hell out of the plant & end up crying, saying the fertilizer was the problem,then on the 2nd grow after they've learned from their mistakes they grow better & switch ferts at the same time,then attribute their success to a different fert.

Many a experienced grower can safely use mg products & its been proven,grow journals have been posted on this site as well as other sites where growers complete many a healthy grow using only mg products,this includes hydro grows too, time & time again on this forum it has been proven ,with lotsa pictures,every new grower automaticly reads where other new growers had problems then repeat it as fact :rolleyes:.

When i run out of my prefered fertilizer i will gladly use mg ferts & they work just fine,its not the product its the poor growing skills of the grower.

Yes we are trying to help but the plan is to not only give the best advice its also to give the simplest advice & reccomend products that can be easily obtained at most stores,remember its a new grower.

Heres some reading on some miserable looking plants grown in miracle grow soil,the dreaded product that kills plants,this thread should be a sticky & required reading for all noobs,read the thread & learn something.

https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/24703-its-all-bullsh-t.html

Plant grown in Miracle Grow soil,looks terrible dont it.

 

Stoney Jake

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blah blah blah keep talking pan. There always has to be a few guys like you on every online forum. Some old guy that thinks he runs the place, talkin crap and trying to dominate every thread he posts on.
lol
Im glad you are having luck on your outdoor grow with it. So what you put one drop in a gallon lol.
Ill just stick to the nutes that work for everyone and stay away from the ones only a select few like to use, but thanks for being a prick :spew:

Im doing fine in my grow and its mainly because I dont listen to the 5% of the people on here that disagree with the majority. I havent ran into any of the problems you speak of.

In fact if you would just get some good soil then there is no need for nutes durring vegging at all. Its easier to buy the best stuff instead of making a bunch of crap work for you.

Last post on here I promise Im not trying to take over the thread with bs
 

panhead

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Im glad you are having luck on your outdoor grow with it. So what you put one drop in a gallon lol.
Ill just stick to the nutes that work for everyone and stay away from the ones only a select few like to use, but thanks for being a prick :spew:

Im doing fine in my grow and its mainly because I dont listen to the 5% of the people on here that disagree with the majority. I havent ran into any of the problems you speak of.
You didnt read the thread,not my plant in the pic,i dont use mg soil, but you should still read the entire thread,its a shame you didnt because you could learn that much of what you think you know right now is wrong & believed by the 95% of the guy's who your learning from right now.

Your 1st grow & your an expert from reading what others have wrote:roll:,this is very dangerous my friend,not only to the people who read these threads but equally dangerous to your own grow op,i never said mg nutes were the best only that they work well if used properly,by reading what others say, then taking it as gospel will lead you down all the most expensive paths in this hobby,it leads to fox farm soil,magic sauce mixtures & $50 a quart fertilizers.

Really,you should only post negative comments about something being dangerous if you have direct experience in using it,simply repeating what others have said so you can have something to post that seems relevant to the topic is not helpfull,not to you or other growers.

You SHOULD LISTEN to the 5% of the people here because the other 95% are doing exactly as you are right now,reading what other noobs spew then repeat it as a fact they are sure of,again not helpfull for you or others to learn to grow weed.

Its pretty simple,fertilizer is fertilizer,there are no special magic mixtures,most are made by the same manufacturer's,then re labled & shipped to specialty shops,nitrogen is nitrogen ect,i will say it again,most people who burn their plants with mg are new growers who are impatient,over fertilize or use mg along with soil containing added fertilizers,or they have not reasearched properly so they know exactly why mg ferts are so strong & cause noobs so many problems.

Spend a day researching fertilizers,you'll save yourself an asload of headache & you'll learn something,and stop being defensive about the incorrect information you read.......repeat then post as fact,or keep listening to the 95% & repeating.
 

panhead

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Success !

A friend of mine who uses sensi ferts emailed me the proper info just now,the needed info has been on the sensi site all along & we've missed it or misread the info,all we need to know is contained in the ppm mixing chart in this link.

https://www.planetnatural.com/site/sensi-grow.html

The mix ratio in the link is an agressive feeding schedule & should be cut down to the 25% ratio for the first feeding,then slowly increased over time,i understand the chart now after a lil help from my friend.

Start out by mixing equal amounts of part A & part B of Sensi Grow,using 1/2 tspn per gallon of each mixture will put you at roughly 30% strength & is supposed to be safe.
 

Mistasmoke

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YOU ROCK PANHEAD! Awesome. So, I should use this 30%concoction to do the whole process you were talking about foilage feeding for three days etc..? Again, I'm not sure if it's necessary considering I'm gonna transplant today. Probably is though right? Can you confirm this for me? So here's a pic of the soil. I hope to God it's the right one this time. I got some transplant liquid too. I need to use that to transplant right? Any special mixture I should make or are the instructions on the bottle correct?(see pic) I got a five gallon and a 3 gallon potter. I should use the 5 gallon one right?
 

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panhead

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YOU ROCK PANHEAD! Awesome. So, I should use this 30%concoction to do the whole process you were talking about foilage feeding for three days etc..? Again, I'm not sure if it's necessary considering I'm gonna transplant today. Probably is though right? Can you confirm this for me? So here's a pic of the soil. I hope to God it's the right one this time. I got some transplant liquid too. I need to use that to transplant right? Any special mixture I should make or are the instructions on the bottle correct?(see pic) I got a five gallon and a 3 gallon potter. I should use the 5 gallon one right?

Good job on the soil,it looks like a nice pro mix,i couldnt see from the other pics you posted,im a bit older than most here & i cant see or read close up & i have to be back away from the screen a few feet to see pics,the new pics are much better & the soil mix looks to be the proper material.

Take the time & read the thread i posted the link to in my earlier post to the kid,the thread is titled "its all bullshit",its a long read but please read it,there is an abundance of extremely usefull information in that thread for people exactly like you,not meant as an insult either it was meant as a compliment,you seem hungry to learn the right way & want to learn what to do & why you need to do what the plants need,there are many topics that are important to new growers covered in that thread,like fertilizers,transplanting,root bound ect.

Much of the info is posted in a whimsicle fashion but it is all there & will help you understand how simple growing really is,alot of things (myths) that noobs like the kid in the earlier posts truly believe because thats what they've heard are dispilld in that thread,growing will get easier for you after reading that thread,the basic outline of the thread is to keep everything as simple as possible & not to put too much effort into the plants,stick to the basics.

Ok now for the transplant,i'd use the 3 gallon pot for several reasons,first off forget about the plant getting "rootbound" that is another myth,wives tale ect & has very little to do with yeild or plant health,by having a smaller planter you help younger plants by being able to water them more often,every time you water you give the roots fresh oxygen which is like crack or a steroid injection to the plant,it makes for faster plant growth,a 5 gallon pot will grow an 8ft monster bush easily.

Stick with the 3 gallon pot,make sure the soil is at room temp before you transplant,after transplanting use the transplant solution you have but mix it at a 50% ratio of reccomended doseage & water the plant until water flows freely from the holes in the pot,make sure you let the water reach room temp also.

You are still going to want to foliar spray,this will help correct any nutrient problems the leaves are having,foliar feeding is safe & the fastest way to stop nutrient deficient plants from getting damaged leaves,just make sure to keep the mix at or very near the 30% mark & be damm sure to rinse off the leaves every other day with a clean spray mist.

Give her a go & post an update once the transplant & foliar spray are complete,it would also be very helpfull to me & others who might want to help if you post pics every few days so we can see how the leaves are repairing themselves from the foliar feeding,you will start to see the leaves get alot darker green & get an even color to them as time goes on.

Keep us posted.
 

Mistasmoke

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Thank you so much Panhead, you've been and continue to be a great source of help and information for me. Had a lot to do today again but I'm gonna get to work on it right now. I'll try to post before the night is through. Thanks again buddy!
 

Mistasmoke

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Okay, update. I had to wait until today to give her a foilage feedinf since I transplanted last night and I didn't want to risk doing something wrong. So I transplanted last night. She slept for 7hrs.(I overslept..) and I gave her a foilage feeding right now. I was only able to take one pic because my camera started giving me problems. Should work again in a couple of hours. When it's dry in three hours I'll try to take more pics for your evaluation. From what I can see though the leaf opposite the first infected one started showing the same symptoms and the next level of leaves were starting to show effects but I think I got to them in time. But like I said, I'll take more pics later when my camera stops acting up, it does that from time to time. At least she's growing again. I though it was stunted. But so far so good. I just gotta keep foilage feeding for three days and rinse with reg. bottle spring water in between. I'm using bottled water now so ph shouldn't be a problem. One thing though, I tested the water and it came up 6.0 I believe, not betweem 6.5 and 7.0 I believe you said it should be. Is that bad? 6.0? That's all for now. Later I'll post more pics and I know I always say thanks but I mean it man, thanks so much for your personal attention. I feel lucky to have someone guiding me through this instead of researching varying and contradictory info. on the internet. It's kind of overwhelming. And thanks for that awesome link. You're right. It really should be a sticky or required reading. Lot's of good stuff there. Talk to ya later buddy!
 

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panhead

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Good morning,im glad its starting to come together for you,aboutthe ph level of your water,if it really is a flat out 6.0 it is a bit low & should be raised up to atleast 6.3, ph needs to be in the acceptable range when your allready having a few problems,its not deadly but 6.0 is a touch too acidic.

Im going to be taking a break from rollitup forum for a while to clear my head,im too tired of arguing in every thread,i knew i had you here needing help so i stopped by to check on things,if i dont answer right away it just means i have not got online yet but i will make time to stop by & help you every day until you finish the grow.

I'll be here to help ya finish the grow just alot less time on the site for a while,i'll stop back tomorrow & check the better pics,it sounds like you are getting things back on track.
 

Mistasmoke

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Thanks my friend, and sorry to hear about the arguing. Don't let them get to you though. Tomorrow I'll have better pics for you. Have a great evening my friend!
 

Mistasmoke

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Hey Panhead,
Sorry it took me a couple of days to report in but here's the latest pics and update.

I've given her 2 foilage feedings with the 30% ratio, 6.7 ph water and 1 rinsing usin 6.7 ph reg. bottle water since the last time you told me to do so, so this makes it the third day. These pics are from yesterday after I rinsed the first nute application off. I'll post the pics from today later on tonight when she wakes up. My light schedules have been wacky lately because I've been a little busy but she is getting at least 16 hrs of light and 6-8 hrs of sleep. I'll get her back on a steady 18-6 schedule today. So far the plant seems to be recuperating well but I'll let you be the judge of that. Have a great day my friend and the same to all the members here who have been kind enough to lend a comment here and there...Thank you all!:clap:
 

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Mistasmoke

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more pics...

but before I get out of here for a bit I wanted to state that I got this seed from some high quality creepy as they call it here where I'm from. The bud had a mango pineapple type of smell to it, delicious I tell ya, and I found exactly 3 seeds in a whole entire ounce. I've been crossing my fingers that my plant is female but I know it's hard to tell at this stage but either way I'll come out winning because I'll be just as pleased with a male plant for the seeds. Now what I've noticed since the plant started growing is that by the second or third level(don't know the technical term) 5 point leaves started sprouting. 2 levels after that and I started seeing 7 point leaves forming. I was pretty stoked but the best was yet to come when I woke up this morning and found that the newest batch of leaves sprouting at the top had 9 point leaves! Wow! Now......what exactly does that mean now? If anything at all? I know it's good, I think, but what it means I can't recall. So that's it for now guys, I'll be back later on today with today's update with pics.......keep on smoking!:weed:
 

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panhead

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Hey Panhead,
Sorry it took me a couple of days to report in but here's the latest pics and update.

I've given her 2 foilage feedings with the 30% ratio, 6.7 ph water and 1 rinsing usin 6.7 ph reg. bottle water since the last time you told me to do so, so this makes it the third day. These pics are from yesterday after I rinsed the first nute application off. I'll post the pics from today later on tonight when she wakes up. My light schedules have been wacky lately because I've been a little busy but she is getting at least 16 hrs of light and 6-8 hrs of sleep. I'll get her back on a steady 18-6 schedule today. So far the plant seems to be recuperating well but I'll let you be the judge of that. Have a great day my friend and the same to all the members here who have been kind enough to lend a comment here and there...Thank you all!:clap:
Cool,im glad to hear & see its comming together,im hearing something very bad when you say "your light schedules are whacky",this is not good mt friend,in fact it is very very bad,plants that are not on a very strict schedule are very prone to turn hermaphrodite,what this means is that the plant may start out as a female,then after having its lighting routine all screwed up it can now start growing male parts (pollen sacks),this is not desired,once the plant has both sex organs the male parts will pollinate the female parts.

The more pollen that reaches the female pistils the more the plant will turn its efforts away from bud production & focus on seed production,again not good.

In nature a seedless bud (sensimellia,meaning "without seed") is made up of thousands of sticky hairs called "pistils",the job of these hairs is to catch any pollen that comes along,even when the buds are huge & sticky they can & will catch pollen,the earlier in the budding process they are pollinated the less bud they will produce & the more seeds they will make,the thing is that this is not a win win situation,the seeds that come from a self polinating hermaphrodite are not desired,a large percentage will become hermaphrodites,another large number will not germinate & the rest will be all males.

Another thing,if you get a male plant right from the start it will not produce seeds,a male marijuans plants fuction is just like a mans which is to donate sperm,in the case of the plants its pollen,this pollen needs to be caught by a female marijuana plant in its pistils,remember the sticky hairs that buds are made up of,once a female catches the pollen from the male it then turns all its energy into seed production,it takes both male & female plants to make seeds.

If you do end up with a male you'll know,once the plant becomes sexually mature it will show its sex,or after the plant reaches its 5th set of nodes you can force sex,the male can be determined by the pollen sacks,picture a bunch of bananas on the vine,yes regular old bananas that we all eat,now picture a very small version of the banana bvunch,hanging from the plant,this is what a male will produce,if you let it live long enough for the pollen sacks to burst open & spread its pollen the entire grow room will be tainted,pollen is hard to remove once its in the grow op.

Please go to the hardware store & buy a "heavy dut appliance timer" like this model,light duty or regular duty timers are no good as often they overload & burn out,a good timer should cost $20 or less,stay away from digital timers & keep it simple with push tab timers like this model.

Having the light on a rigid schedule is of extreme importance.

Here is what a timer looks like,this is an excellent model only you need the heavy duty version.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Intermatic-TN111C-Standard-Lamp-Appliance-Timer_W0QQitemZ120342978318QQcmdZViewItemQQptZElectrical_Solar_US?hash=item120342978318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1205|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:0|293:1|294:50

BTW,blade count on leaves only means the plant is growing older,as the plant matures it will grow more blades on its leaves,it goes in multiples of 2 most of the time & in odd numbers of blades,the plant will produce,7, 9 & 11 bladed leaves the older/larger it gets,this allows the plant to collect more sunlight & convert into energy to builds itself with.
 

Mistasmoke

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Hey Panhead,
Wow, that's a huge bummer. I hope it's I'm not too late to get the light schedule back on track. I'll definately try and be more diligent with the 18-6 hr. light schedule. And I will be purchasing the timer you suggested tomorrow or I'll order it from ebay. Stuff like that is near impossible to get where I'm from. But I will be more strict with myself concerning the light schedule. Hope I dont't get a hermie. Well, like I said. I think she's back on track and I'll keep posting updates every couple of days. Have a great night and thanks again buddy!
 

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