Does the Northern Lights #5 from the 90’s still exist?

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GWilliamsCannabis

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conor c said:
Then its not the same nl5 we all know and love from the 90s as that was nevils more indica cut unless its literally that it aint what everyone is seeking i can guarantee you that
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Idk why even call it NL5 then?

Imo releasing it as a new strain different than NL5 or anything else would help save face from all the "this isn't the real NL" backlash that they'd receive.....and when not expecting NL5; maybe ppl would actually like it lol
 
conor c

conor c

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GWilliamsCannabis said:
Idk why even call it NL5 then?

Imo releasing it as a new strain different than NL5 or anything else would help save face from all the "this isn't the real NL" backlash that they'd receive.....and when not expecting NL5; maybe ppl would actually like it lol
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The name bit is cos $$ I agree if it was actually like the old nl5 i think it be everywhere it might still be nl5 but they should have added the usa part then at least folk would know its different from nevils his was more indica he even said himself there was very little influence in his of the sativa in it the thai/Hawaiian thai or whatever it is the nl crew is claiming these days think last i heard was mexi now who knows cos they changed storys a few times
 
Week4@inCharge

Week4@inCharge

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GWilliamsCannabis said:
Idk why even call it NL5 then?

Imo releasing it as a new strain different than NL5 or anything else would help save face from all the "this isn't the real NL" backlash that they'd receive.....and when not expecting NL5; maybe ppl would actually like it lol
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A lot of the Old School strains (if not all of them) are not the same anymore if not long gone. What's out there now are distant relatives with the same last name. Like Conner said.. all about the M O N E Y
 
conor c

conor c

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Week4@inCharge said:
A lot of the Old School strains (if not all of them) are not the same anymore if not long gone. What's out there now are distant relatives with the same last name. Like Conner said.. all about the M O N E Y
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Some u can still get some are gone forever and only exist in namesame its down to can you get the right line with the right parents? cos if not then it now only exists in namesake or in the genepool of older hybrids at best sad but true cannabis aint even the worst i did some time volunteering at a bird of pray sanctuary years back the amount of species we have wiped out or we have got down to the last breeding pair of is sickening and even then folk would still try and steal em cos its $$ same goes with cannabis some folk lack the morals and will do anything to make a buck so they cash in on the names or worse.
 
Houstini

Houstini

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GWilliamsCannabis said:
What about CSI/Riots NL5?

It's supposed to tie back to the original....does it? Apparently they got it from Seattle Greg if I'm not mistaken
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Todd used same stock
I grew out and fgenned the csi/riot release, found some very good representations in first grow and fgens very reminiscent of late 90s nl5 I was getting in Seattle.
Do I believe the story about lost beans in Seattle Greg’s aunt’s fridge? Highly unlikely story, tall tales in cannabis.
The plants do speak for themselves, so I’m happy to have a big bag of these beans and crosses I made. Whatever it is, it certainly took me back to 1997
 
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fiqwise

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Hello to everyone im new to the forum but have been following this stuff about NL on mr nice forum and here and its a big debate. Has anyone tried to ise the formula Neville left mr Nice forum to try and recreate the NL line? Of course it wouldn't be EXACTLY the same but maybe ot can be close . Just an idea from an open minded enthusiast.
 

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Also my apologies if i posted copies of any of the screenshots. Im passionate about the topic and wanna see if we could find something today that could match the nostalgia.
 
MtRainDog

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fiqwise said:
Hello to everyone im new to the forum but have been following this stuff about NL on mr nice forum and here and its a big debate. Has anyone tried to ise the formula Neville left mr Nice forum to try and recreate the NL line? Of course it wouldn't be EXACTLY the same but maybe ot can be close . Just an idea from an open minded enthusiast.
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It would be impossible to recreate at this point some 40 years later now. The plants and seed stock used then are now long gone. All we have left are remnants and fragments of them. Sure, you could use what's left of these lines and do a recreation, but it wouldn't be the same, and how close to the original it might be is difficult to say, but for sure, it would not be the same.

IMO there would be some magic lost because of decades of inbreeding and hybridization that followed those old seed releases.
 
conor c

conor c

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MtRainDog said:
It would be impossible to recreate at this point some 40 years later now. The plants and seed stock used then are now long gone. All we have left are remnants and fragments of them. Sure, you could use what's left of these lines and do a recreation, but it wouldn't be the same, and how close to the original it might be is difficult to say, but for sure, it would not be the same.

IMO there would be some magic lost because of decades of inbreeding and hybridization that followed those old seed releases.
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Agreed unless the parent stock is the same lines and not bottlenecked to hell it is impossible to remake
 
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fiqwise

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conor c said:
Agreed unless the parent stock is the same lines and not bottlenecked to hell it is impossible to remake
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I'll say this of course as in history nothing will be the original. But hey we got LeBron he as close to jordan as it gets lol AND YES I KNOW THATS NO WHERE CLOSEbut doesn't hurt to try we have a very talented breeders and very intelligent ppl ima use the cliche line "you can do anything of you put your mind into it" plz do not kick me out the forum
 
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fiqwise

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fiqwise said:
I'll say this of course as in history nothing will be the original. But hey we got LeBron he as close to jordan as it gets lol AND YES I KNOW THATS NO WHERE CLOSEbut doesn't hurt to try we have a very talented breeders and very intelligent ppl ima use the cliche line "you can do anything of you put your mind into it" plz do not kick me out the forum
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From what i understand he bred thru observation and logical reasoning so i think if a few top level grower got together something might come out close to it.
 
MissinThe90’sStrains

MissinThe90’sStrains

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Sourcing similar genetics would probably be the biggest limiting factor. Some of these places have laws that are not friendly and don’t allow randoms to just show up and take seeds. Others, the strains used don’t exist in their pure form anymore. You could be a great breeder, but if you’re breeding dachshunds, it’s unlikely that you will breed a mastiff from that same genepool. I’m all for hope, just don't hold your breath.
 
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GWilliamsCannabis

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How does NL take to being S1'd....if you can find the closest to original available and get it to S1...it should reopen the gene pool for selecting close to the original
 
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conor c

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GWilliamsCannabis said:
How does NL take to being S1'd....if you can find the closest to original available and get it to S1...it should reopen the gene pool for selecting close to the original
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Yeah it does reverse only Nevils nl5 cut didn't if I remember right
fiqwise said:
I'll say this of course as in history nothing will be the original. But hey we got LeBron he as close to jordan as it gets lol AND YES I KNOW THATS NO WHERE CLOSEbut doesn't hurt to try we have a very talented breeders and very intelligent ppl ima use the cliche line "you can do anything of you put your mind into it" plz do not kick me out the forum
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You got to understand as we don't and can't use enough plants as the law stands every generation you replicate it you lose genes unless your running enough plants so even if you got the two parent lines by now there's a good chance it won't be same same there will be some differences also what is nl5 we don't know 100% I know where I'd start if i was trying to redo nl1 but the #5 idk the sativa bit is the hardest bit
 
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Yeah your best bet is to do some hunting through seeds. Either a nice NL5 cross, or one of the various NL5 reproductions. Grow a ton, find and keep the one.

Also mind you, most people's recollection of old school NL or NL5 is probably from Neville's seed stock, unless you were in the know in the pacific northwest US. That's kind of important because it means Neville's selections were really friggin good. He came from a large scale agriculture background I think, so he knew his stuff. That said, I'm not aware of any other NL seed releases of old that anyone speaks of... so as much as we talk about Seattle Greg and whoever else was involved, the truth is Nevil really brought it to the masses, and Nevil's secret sauce was the true magic of the NL lines. The proof is in the goods. I don't know what plants these other people had back in the day, but I do know who brought the goods...

Probably the only other NL seed release that's highly regarded was BSCB's repro of Nevils NL5
 
conor c

conor c

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MtRainDog said:
Yeah your best bet is to do some hunting through seeds. Either a nice NL5 cross, or one of the various NL5 reproductions. Grow a ton, find and keep the one.

Also mind you, most people's recollection of old school NL or NL5 is probably from Neville's seed stock, unless you were in the know in the pacific northwest US. That's kind of important because it means Neville's selections were really friggin good. He came from a large scale agriculture background I think, so he knew his stuff. That said, I'm not aware of any other NL seed releases of old that anyone speaks of... so as much as we talk about Seattle Greg and whoever else was involved, the truth is Nevil really brought it to the masses, and Nevil's secret sauce was the true magic of the NL lines. The proof is in the goods. I don't know what plants these other people had back in the day, but I do know who brought the goods...

Probably the only other NL seed release that's highly regarded was BSCB's repro of Nevils NL5
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Got some of the 5x2 off of there stock none of the pure #5 there's was good (BC)but they got there's direct from Nevils the seed bank so that be why it's the right line
 
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rasna

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mr.nice seed has Ortega and NL5xAfghan in their catalog. You can get them at auctions for a very good price and these come from old stocks of Nevil seeds. Are they like the old NL of Nevil's The Seedbank seeds? No. But it's still as close as it gets. .. don't listen too much to the stories you read on the forums. If you've been on these portals for a long time, it's clear that some individuals who had their own interests in the business of taking down some historic Dutch seed banks have been defamatory... now many things have changed but by dint of reading and repeating the things you read, they still continue to be repeated today... and then even people with little experience in growing who have never even grown a seed from Sensi Seeds for example, repeat the same story, Sensi sucks, it lost everything after the change of law in Holland... when Sensi had state licenses to produce for example Bedrocan which is nothing other than Jack Herrer. Mr. Nice's Super Silver Haze has changed after the raids in Switzerland and it sucks... when a few years ago there was a Dutch dealer who was giving away, I repeat, giving away packages of old stock s. silver haze even pre-Switzerland (green packages, farm in Holland) on top of every purchase. And when I told him that he could make a fortune on the gullible people on the forums, he started laughing... needless to say, he is a fan of super silver haze and has not noticed any changes comparing what he was getting yesterday versus today by hunting for the phenotype with a decent number... I'll stop here. All this to say, plant the seeds and make up your own mind.

sorry for my english
 
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