Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 27.5%

  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 42 26.3%

  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 74 46.3%
  • Total voters
    160
injinji

injinji

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ttystikk said:
Funny you should mention this. It is possible to build homes, condos, apartments and even whole neighborhoods to be damn near hurricane proof. It's pretty expensive but if it was code (like it damn well should be in Florida!) it would come down in price through economies of scale and practice. This is already happening with "passive homes" which are heavily insulated to the point that they need very little heating and cooling to maintain comfort.
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Most everything built in coastal south florida since andrew is wind proof. Each county has it's own codes though. MD has zones that vary from 165-195mph. Others are less stringent. (from gooooogle) In addition to wind speed requirements, Florida's building codes also require impact resistant windows and doors in areas within a mile of the coastal mean high water line and facing basic wind speeds of at least 110 mph.

Very few places are really built to deal with storm surge. And now inland flooding from rain can be the biggest threat.

I want to build an underground house. With enough solar panels you could be using almost no juice from the power company. About 15 years ago I dug a 20X24X6' hole for a camp. I used to keep it tarped with a tent under it, but never put a real roof over it. I went down there last year to get a load of the dirt I had dug out, and there were trees head high growing in the hole. That was the first time I had been there since Michael. But if I ever build a real underground house down there (on the pond land), it will be higher up the hill. I'll trade pond view for a few more feet of elevation. Not to mention the closer to the road you are, the less the power line coming in will cost.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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injinji said:
Most everything built in coastal south florida since andrew is wind proof. Each county has it's own codes though. MD has zones that vary from 165-195mph. Others are less stringent. (from gooooogle) In addition to wind speed requirements, Florida's building codes also require impact resistant windows and doors in areas within a mile of the coastal mean high water line and facing basic wind speeds of at least 110 mph.

Very few places are really built to deal with storm surge. And now inland flooding from rain can be the biggest threat.

I want to build an underground house. With enough solar panels you could be using almost no juice from the power company. About 15 years ago I dug a 20X24X6' hole for a camp. I used to keep it tarped with a tent under it, but never put a real roof over it. I went down there last year to get a load of the dirt I had dug out, and there were trees head high growing in the hole. That was the first time I had been there since Michael. But if I ever build a real underground house down there (on the pond land), it will be higher up the hill. I'll trade pond view for a few more feet of elevation. Not to mention the closer to the road you are, the less the power line coming in will cost.
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You wouldn't even have to sink the house too far down in order to get the benefits; you could do a "garden level" or 4-5' below grade and then use the displaced earth to build up a berm and get your home more or less below grade that way. If I ever buy a piece of property and build on it, I'll do exactly this and keep part of the south side open for a walkout basement.

You could easily install enough solar capacity to run your house and even a modest indoor grow. You could affordably get enough batteries to run the house overnight, especially if the grow is timed to run when the sun shines.

Having a battery is necessary to run your home independently of the grid because the inverter needs a stable source of power to make alternating current. Depending on the cost of the power line, it might make more sense just to have more panels and batteries for the same cost and run the whole place off grid. That way, the power company can't screw you by buying your power at wholesale and selling it back at retail!

All in all, this plan sounds pretty awesome! If the solar panels on your roof cover it nearly completely, you will notice a substantial reduction in energy cost to cool it. Doing the underground or berm things will also contribute. In this way, the heat pump you install for climate control could be much smaller than a conventional home of the same footprint.
 
BudmanTX

BudmanTX

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ttystikk said:
The weather updates I got indicate that it has already reached "super typhoon" strength. Fortunately, it is also predicted to weaken somewhat before making landfall in Taiwan.
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she might tap 5, but by looking at her...she is a strong 4, some models show it hitting taiwan, other models show it skirting it and head northwest direction.....we'll see...
 
BudmanTX

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injinji

injinji

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BudmanTX said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851349694359773415

looks like what was left of a hurricane hit spain, reports are coming in at 14" of rain
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The locals call this kind of storm a cold drop because of cold air over warm air. And heavy rains from cold drops are usual for this time of year. But not 14 inches in a few hours.

The Saipan stopped in Valencia during our 1981-82 Med Cruise. It was winter, so off season for the beaches, but a really nice town. The main thing I remember about the stay was me and a buddy bullshitting our way into I high end club by telling the bartender we were Captains. But drinks were high, and everyone there was middle aged. So we only stayed for a couple three drinks.
 
injinji

injinji

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Lots of the dead in the Spanish floods were going into basement parking garages trying to save their cars. Also most said they didn't get alarms on their phones until the flooding was already happening. And now everyone is pissed at the government for slow response on rescue and relief work.



 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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injinji said:
Lots of the dead in the Spanish floods were going into basement parking garages trying to save their cars. Also most said they didn't get alarms on their phones until the flooding was already happening. And now everyone is pissed at the government for slow response on rescue and relief work.



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Several days ago, someone told me the death toll had passed 200. I'm sure it's much higher now.

There is no car I'd run into a basement to save during a flood.
 
injinji

injinji

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ttystikk said:
Did y'all see the tornadoes in Oklahoma over the weekend? EF-3, shredded whole neighborhoods, I think there were a few fatalities?

I wouldn't live in Oklahoma on a bet!
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I watched some of the Ryan Hall Y'all live stream of that outbreak. There was some bad ones.
 
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