Please help

[MissinThe90’sStrains]

I think this plant is far from done, and still salvage-able. Transplant into some better soil and dial up that light a bit.

 

[MissinThe90’sStrains]

I’ve saved some pretty rough lookin plants before. You can roll on with this for the learning experience, you can start over, or fuck it, you can do both. Unless it’s an auto, you’ve got options.

 

[GemGrows24]

I’ve saved some pretty rough lookin plants before. You can roll on with this for the learning experience, you can start over, or fuck it, you can do both. Unless it’s an auto, you’ve got options.

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Well I might try cloning a couple of these stems in a month or so . I still need more soil and root hormone .But until then it's gonna be KISS method . Focus on good watering/ environmental factors. My ppm run off is running at 1500 so I think the soils still got some juice left in it . And have only added liquid fertilizer once . So maybe the soils still salvageable

 

[Boatguy]

Well I might try cloning a couple of these stems in a month or so . I still need more soil and root hormone .But until then it's gonna be KISS method . Focus on good watering/ environmental factors. My ppm run off is running at 1500 so I think the soils still got some juice left in it . And have only added liquid fertilizer once . So maybe the soils still salvageable

Definitely no more flushing. I would just continue on with wet/dry cycles and see how she does. It is a resilient weed after all.
PPM of runoff from soil is useless and tells you nothing. PPM is more of a hydro/soiless tool. Fox farms is neither

 

[Kushash]

Ok so we're on day 61 of my OG Kush photoperiod .
Since my last post , Lighting has been increased to 55%. I've applied LST to the main stem, HST to the top Cola , I've cut of to lower middle colas that were not getting enough space or light. And now have flushed the plant twice this last week. With distilled pHed H2O.
Soil mix of Fox Farms Ocean Forest/ Happy Frog 50/50. Three weeks ago I made the mistake of adding grow big liquid fertilizer. High in nitrogen. Ended up with nitrogen toxicity . I'm seeing lighter green/ yellow formations now . I just did thee second flush with 4gl of water. And tips or advice . Can anyone confirm if this is indeed nute lockout/N toxicity. Any advice is appreciated.and questions are welcome .View attachment 5451475View attachment 5451476View attachment 5451478

Lots of good advice.
In the 3rd picture in the 1st post it looks like the green fan is blasting the canopy. The fan should be higher up or directed away from the plant. leaves are not happy when constantly being hit with a fan.

 

[GemGrows24]

Lots of good advice.
In the 3rd picture in the 1st post it looks like the green fan is blasting the canopy. The fan should be higher up or directed away from the plant. leaves are not happy when constantly being hit with a fan.

I was under the assumption it would be ok if the fan was on its lowest setting. Now realizing I have some wind burn though. I'ma raise the fan 3 inches or so . Thankyou for the tip .

 

[coreywebster]

Just stop fucking with it!

This is a learning experience.
You don't learn by killing a plant because it's not running at maximum potential, you leave it alone and keep things simple and see it through.

 

[GemGrows24]

Just stop fucking with it!

This is a learning experience.
You don't learn by killing a plant because it's not running at maximum potential, you leave it alone and keep things simple and see it through.

I haven't really been doing anything to the plant anyhow. Only been watering . And did this last flush because that's what all my research and comments says to do with severe nutrient lockout . But yeah besides that I haven't done anything but train . And was told to defoliate by many other growers on here a week ago.

 

[Boatguy]

I haven't really been doing anything to the plant anyhow. Only been watering . And did this last flush because that's what all my research and comments says to do with severe nutrient lockout . But yeah besides that I haven't done anything but train . And was told to defoliate by many other growers on here a week ago.

Whoever told you that would help, shouldnt be helping. Defoliating a plant with problems is counterproductive. Just reset and see how it does with just basic care.

 

[Jimski]

Things I notice.


No growth of note on new sprouts and the bright green of young and looking for light is missing. This plant has caught up with its growth with what it has available for nutes and light and TEMP.

Bud teas and organic pour have the same nutes as base OF HF with added PK, bennies and sugar. I do not see the nutes being the foundation of this issue. In addition from my own experience organic pours are like top dressing, they take a while to spool up the nutrition.

Light measurement would be nice.

Edit
These leaves look like a bean plant after a spring 3 day run of clouds and in the upper 50's ..

 

[GemGrows24]

Things I notice.


No growth of note on new sprouts and the bright green of young and looking for light is missing. This plant has caught up with its growth with what it has available for nutes and light and TEMP.

Bud teas and organic pour have the same nutes as base OF HF with added PK, bennies and sugar. I do not see the nutes being the foundation of this issue. In addition from my own experience organic pours are like top dressing, they take a while to spool up the nutrition.

Light measurement would be nice.

Edit
These leaves look like a bean plant after a spring 3 day run of clouds and in the upper 50's ..

Temp is 78 , light intensity went from 55-70 100w LED. There wasn't to much info of what intensity should be so I kinda winged it . Learning as I go tho . Humidy has been 55% but lowered it to 55. Air VPD is 1.7-1.8. I'll look into the organic tea . I have recharge tho if you think that'll help .

 

[GemGrows24]

Whoever told you that would help, shouldnt be helping. Defoliating a plant with problems is counterproductive. Just reset and see how it does with just basic care.

I used an app for ppfd a week ago and had a reading of 18000, I'm sure it's even higher now that I increased lighting and adjusted the distance

 

[Jimski]

Temp is 78 , light intensity went from 55-70 100w LED. There wasn't to much info of what intensity should be so I kinda winged it . Learning as I go tho . Humidy has been 55% but lowered it to 55. Air VPD is 1.7-1.8. I'll look into the organic tea . I have recharge tho if you think that'll help .

Gem the humidity needs raised if you can. Plant vdp for veg .9-1.1 any temp up will help get the furnace of the plant running.
Organic stuff is not something you can start if you already put chemical nutes in. If what you used to dress was all organic you can keep it organic and even use what you have if it is for veg and is organic.
Flower nutes bump up some stuff and with the low furnace temp of the environment ( like one guy said you can grow low and slow ) your nute need is minimal if going chemical.

 

[GemGrows24]

Gem the humidity needs raised if you can. Plant vdp for veg .9-1.1 any temp up will help get the furnace of the plant running.
Organic stuff is not something you can start if you already put chemical nutes in. If what you used to dress was all organic you can keep it organic and even use what you have if it is for veg and is organic.
Flower nutes bump up some stuff and with the low furnace temp of the environment ( like one guy said you can grow low and slow ) your nute need is minimal if going chemical.

I used Fox farms organic liquid nutes , so we're good the. I just adjusted the humidity to 60% , have that 77. Ill give it a minute see what the VPD is and then adjust it from there

 

[GemGrows24]

Gem the humidity needs raised if you can. Plant vdp for veg .9-1.1 any temp up will help get the furnace of the plant running.
Organic stuff is not something you can start if you already put chemical nutes in. If what you used to dress was all organic you can keep it organic and even use what you have if it is for veg and is organic.
Flower nutes bump up some stuff and with the low furnace temp of the environment ( like one guy said you can grow low and slow ) your nute need is minimal if going chemical.

I was unable to fully respond earlier, u mention "any temp up will help get the furnace of the plant running." If you could further explain it would help me understand it better. Are u trying to say keeping temp up increase the rate of nute uptake , there for a higher risk of nute burn ? That I need to stick to lower temps to keep nute feed minimal if using chemical nutes

 

[GemGrows24]

Things I notice.


No growth of note on new sprouts and the bright green of young and looking for light is missing. This plant has caught up with its growth with what it has available for nutes and light and TEMP.

Bud teas and organic pour have the same nutes as base OF HF with added PK, bennies and sugar. I do not see the nutes being the foundation of this issue. In addition from my own experience organic pours are like top dressing, they take a while to spool up the nutrition.

Light measurement would be nice.

Edit
These leaves look like a bean plant after a spring 3 day run of clouds and in the upper 50's ..

 

[Jimski]

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Temps set growth rates for plants. All plants. The chemical reactions of ion exchanges and nutrient distribution through the plant needs a certain temp to work properly.
When cannabis grows at 75 degrees it does so slowly. It is very difficult to over nute an organic grow as the relationship between the natural organic components are changed by the beneficial organisms ( bacteria ) into useable nutes. This system like the pH in an organic grow is self regulating to a point. Staying in the lanes if you will for pH in means you do not have to worry that the pH will spike in the soil.
Chemical nutes do not follow this. Chemical nutes use a salt carrier to allow the ion exchanges to happen. This is why chemical nutes strength is very important. Without any need for conversion you can over feed a chemical grow and you can also salt lock the entire media so that nothing can feed the plants.
The higher the temps of the grow mean higher growth rates. The university and industrial growers found out a long time ago that temps above 82 seemed to be the major trigger for growth. The lines saw a steady progression from 74-81 but just takes off at 82-86. Use of CO2 allows pushing temps in veg even higher .
Now in flower the high temps will effect buds. When they start stacking high temps allow gassing of the resins reducing THC amounts. High light and low temps when stacking buds improves final product A Lot

Temperature is one of the legs that plants stand on like nutes and lights. You can set your lights up high but without a temp in the range for good growth the plant will lag. You can run 85 degrees and the natural nutes will convert at a higher rate exploding the growth as long as it has appropriate light

Here is the problem about the trio. There are ranges of temp and nutes and lights. Your plants reaction to lights and heat and nutes will tell you when enough is enough. Growth will be bushy or stretchy or sparse or leaves will curl or feel papery or sag the plant is talking to us at that point. As new growers you and I are not fluent yet in this language. We will struggle until our skills grow in identifying sub optimal conditions from the plants reactions.
Dude this grow of mine I am not really learning much because I am having very few problems at all and the one I do have which is the leaf fade from deciding not to top dress at the correct time. My fault but the plant is doing good and it received its 3rd feeding with flower nutes.

Hope this explanation helps.

 

[GemGrows24]

Temps set growth rates for plants. All plants. The chemical reactions of ion exchanges and nutrient distribution through the plant needs a certain temp to work properly.
When cannabis grows at 75 degrees it does so slowly. It is very difficult to over nute an organic grow as the relationship between the natural organic components are changed by the beneficial organisms ( bacteria ) into useable nutes. This system like the pH in an organic grow is self regulating to a point. Staying in the lanes if you will for pH in means you do not have to worry that the pH will spike in the soil.
Chemical nutes do not follow this. Chemical nutes use a salt carrier to allow the ion exchanges to happen. This is why chemical nutes strength is very important. Without any need for conversion you can over feed a chemical grow and you can also salt lock the entire media so that nothing can feed the plants.
The higher the temps of the grow mean higher growth rates. The university and industrial growers found out a long time ago that temps above 82 seemed to be the major trigger for growth. The lines saw a steady progression from 74-81 but just takes off at 82-86. Use of CO2 allows pushing temps in veg even higher .
Now in flower the high temps will effect buds. When they start stacking high temps allow gassing of the resins reducing THC amounts. High light and low temps when stacking buds improves final product A Lot

Temperature is one of the legs that plants stand on like nutes and lights. You can set your lights up high but without a temp in the range for good growth the plant will lag. You can run 85 degrees and the natural nutes will convert at a higher rate exploding the growth as long as it has appropriate light

Here is the problem about the trio. There are ranges of temp and nutes and lights. Your plants reaction to lights and heat and nutes will tell you when enough is enough. Growth will be bushy or stretchy or sparse or leaves will curl or feel papery or sag the plant is talking to us at that point. As new growers you and I are not fluent yet in this language. We will struggle until our skills grow in identifying sub optimal conditions from the plants reactions.
Dude this grow of mine I am not really learning much because I am having very few problems at all and the one I do have which is the leaf fade from deciding not to top dress at the correct time. My fault but the plant is doing good and it received its 3rd feeding with flower nutes.

Hope this explanation helps.

It definitely helped a lot! I think what Im going to do for now is keep it around 75-77 . Don't have room for error at this point of the grow . Even if it's a little smaller at least I don't risk nute issues for this run again .

 

[GemGrows24]

Temps set growth rates for plants. All plants. The chemical reactions of ion exchanges and nutrient distribution through the plant needs a certain temp to work properly.
When cannabis grows at 75 degrees it does so slowly. It is very difficult to over nute an organic grow as the relationship between the natural organic components are changed by the beneficial organisms ( bacteria ) into useable nutes. This system like the pH in an organic grow is self regulating to a point. Staying in the lanes if you will for pH in means you do not have to worry that the pH will spike in the soil.
Chemical nutes do not follow this. Chemical nutes use a salt carrier to allow the ion exchanges to happen. This is why chemical nutes strength is very important. Without any need for conversion you can over feed a chemical grow and you can also salt lock the entire media so that nothing can feed the plants.
The higher the temps of the grow mean higher growth rates. The university and industrial growers found out a long time ago that temps above 82 seemed to be the major trigger for growth. The lines saw a steady progression from 74-81 but just takes off at 82-86. Use of CO2 allows pushing temps in veg even higher .
Now in flower the high temps will effect buds. When they start stacking high temps allow gassing of the resins reducing THC amounts. High light and low temps when stacking buds improves final product A Lot

Temperature is one of the legs that plants stand on like nutes and lights. You can set your lights up high but without a temp in the range for good growth the plant will lag. You can run 85 degrees and the natural nutes will convert at a higher rate exploding the growth as long as it has appropriate light

Here is the problem about the trio. There are ranges of temp and nutes and lights. Your plants reaction to lights and heat and nutes will tell you when enough is enough. Growth will be bushy or stretchy or sparse or leaves will curl or feel papery or sag the plant is talking to us at that point. As new growers you and I are not fluent yet in this language. We will struggle until our skills grow in identifying sub optimal conditions from the plants reactions.
Dude this grow of mine I am not really learning much because I am having very few problems at all and the one I do have which is the leaf fade from deciding not to top dress at the correct time. My fault but the plant is doing good and it received its 3rd feeding with flower nutes.

Hope this explanation helps.

Thankyou for taking the time to write all this out for me !