To defol? or to not defol?

Woedae

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Thank you kindly! It’s a 3’x 6’ fabric garden bed in a 4’x 8’ tent. The bed is from Grassroots.
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My guy!! Respect!!
I have the same bed/brand just a 4x8. Running veganic No-Till with companion crop. I love my blumat blusoak on pump system. Tied it into my 350gpd RoDi so everything is On Demand. I do multi strain and haven't had any problems. Took me a little bit to get things dialed in but well worth it in the end.
 

cdgmoney250

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My guy!! Respect!!
I have the same bed/brand just a 4x8. Running veganic No-Till with companion crop. I love my blumat blusoak on pump system. Tied it into my 350gpd RoDi so everything is On Demand. I do multi strain and haven't had any problems. Took me a little bit to get things dialed in but well worth it in the end.
Nice, hell yeah!
I’m running some homemade organic no-till soil in the fabric bed and was watering using the Blumat soaker lines, but I was using gravity feed from a rez in case one of the Blumats ever ran away (I’ve had it happen a few times in a basement… no fun). I couldn’t get the even water distribution or depth I was looking for so I rigged up some irrigation misters on a pump and timer. I like a little change in soil/water pressure to encourage deeper rooting personally. I kept using the Blumat soil moisture meters which have been awesome helping dial in the schedule. There are 5 different strains and 16 different plants from seed in the first 2 pics I posted and for the most part they were all pretty happy. Still some dialing to do yet, but we’re on our way
 

Clutches

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Thank you kindly! It’s a 3’x 6’ fabric garden bed in a 4’x 8’ tent. The bed is from Grassroots.
Here is the link

Thank you sir
 

Clutches

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Nice, hell yeah!
I’m running some homemade organic no-till soil in the fabric bed and was watering using the Blumat soaker lines, but I was using gravity feed from a rez in case one of the Blumats ever ran away (I’ve had it happen a few times in a basement… no fun). I couldn’t get the even water distribution or depth I was looking for so I rigged up some irrigation misters on a pump and timer. I like a little change in soil/water pressure to encourage deeper rooting personally. I kept using the Blumat soil moisture meters which have been awesome helping dial in the schedule. There are 5 different strains and 16 different plants from seed in the first 2 pics I posted and for the most part they were all pretty happy. Still some dialing to do yet, but we’re on our way
Ain’t no question bout that brudda looks awesome and I bet is some great smoke. I’m a man after your own heart sir.
 

Woedae

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Nice, hell yeah!
I’m running some homemade organic no-till soil in the fabric bed and was watering using the Blumat soaker lines, but I was using gravity feed from a rez in case one of the Blumats ever ran away (I’ve had it happen a few times in a basement… no fun). I couldn’t get the even water distribution or depth I was looking for so I rigged up some irrigation misters on a pump and timer. I like a little change in soil/water pressure to encourage deeper rooting personally. I kept using the Blumat soil moisture meters which have been awesome helping dial in the schedule. There are 5 different strains and 16 different plants from seed in the first 2 pics I posted and for the most part they were all pretty happy. Still some dialing to do yet, but we’re on our way
Lol unfortunately i think everyone has had their fair share of run-aways. Thankfully I was close to the floor drain when mine did. Ultimately tho, there's was some good that came of it for me, as I wasn't willing to let the pump go. See, I run a homemade coco dominant medium, so the natural drainage aspect of coco is what led to my run aways. I added more compost and leaf mold to increase my water retention and I haven't had a run away since.

The misters on pump was a good idea! I've also noticed how that can help drive the roots deeper and they'll spread out on the bottom too, not just mid to top. I use 9" maxi sensors for the blusoak drip lines and 1 emitter for each, about 4" away. The idea is that the emitter will satisfy the maxi long before the soaker lines can, and this gives me a little room for tweeking and fine tuning. I tend to run more frequent irrigations this way and the plants seem to be loving it.

I'm currently looking into the blumat drip rings, my plan is to incorporate them at each planting site. Run a litter drier with the 9"maxi + lines and then use a 5" carrot + ring, which would create a multi pressure based on individual plant needs. So in theory the drier bulk soil will encourage root branching and drive deeper, and the rings will supply individual plants deeper systems. They should take it up right away, and right at the main taproot too, leaving all the branched roots to supply the bulk of nutrient assimilation.

Glad to meet another no tiller!!
 

Clutches

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Lol unfortunately i think everyone has had their fair share of run-aways. Thankfully I was close to the floor drain when mine did. Ultimately tho, there's was some good that came of it for me, as I wasn't willing to let the pump go. See, I run a homemade coco dominant medium, so the natural drainage aspect of coco is what led to my run aways. I added more compost and leaf mold to increase my water retention and I haven't had a run away since.

The misters on pump was a good idea! I've also noticed how that can help drive the roots deeper and they'll spread out on the bottom too, not just mid to top. I use 9" maxi sensors for the blusoak drip lines and 1 emitter for each, about 4" away. The idea is that the emitter will satisfy the maxi long before the soaker lines can, and this gives me a little room for tweeking and fine tuning. I tend to run more frequent irrigations this way and the plants seem to be loving it.

I'm currently looking into the blumat drip rings, my plan is to incorporate them at each planting site. Run a litter drier with the 9"maxi + lines and then use a 5" carrot + ring, which would create a multi pressure based on individual plant needs. So in theory the drier bulk soil will encourage root branching and drive deeper, and the rings will supply individual plants deeper systems. They should take it up right away, and right at the main taproot too, leaving all the branched roots to supply the bulk of nutrient assimilation.

Glad to meet another no tiller!!
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skink#1

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It depends on the variety for me. If it doesn't have alot of leaves to begin with I don't. But I prune off all the bottom branches.
 

Obepawn

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I always defoliate… :cool:
I usually strip off the largest most mature fan leaves as needed. Some light to medium defoliation a week before flip, and again once plants are done stretching between weeks 3 & 4 of flower. I will pull fan leaves from the mid to upper canopy, sometimes top fan leaves too if they’re blocking light to lower bud sites. Again in mid flower when buds begin to start swelling. I never pull off all the fan leaves from a branch.

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I don’t ever recommend Shwazzing as described in the 3 a light book. I’ve tried it out of curiosity and plants get immediately stressed. Sometimes if they’re big enough, they don’t recover at all.
Good job bro!
 

Clutches

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Are you in a 4x4 or a 3x3. With good led's 400w should kill it in 3x3.600w for a 4x4. Again this is quality lighting like from good cobs or Samsung boards. So yes you are probably a little over powered. No problem just turn her down a bit. I usually hang my light 18-24" away from plant not 36". So again if you lower the light closer you can turn it down a bit more. Will help with heat as well.
 

Clutches

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Hey y’all I relapsed and put them other two back on here ass and I think it’s been about a week since I Schwazzd her tale but think she coming right along. The lil ones beside her are from same genetics so not sure if I wanna take up space with them or buy something new from my peeps out at happy bird. But shi what y’all think oh yeah full spectrum with 1000 watts from d wall and in flower mode for five days now so ima run with it. How y’all feel about the situation? Any suggestions?
 

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Wastei

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Hey y’all I relapsed and put them other two back on here ass and I think it’s been about a week since I Schwazzd her tale but think she coming right along. The lil ones beside her are from same genetics so not sure if I wanna take up space with them or buy something new from my peeps out at happy bird. But shi what y’all think oh yeah full spectrum with 1000 watts from d wall and in flower mode for five days now so ima run with it. How y’all feel about the situation? Any suggestions?
There's zero gain in pushing excess light in veg. You only need about 300w of LED max in a 4x4 for proper growth rates. More is not better in terms of light intensity, the intensity needs to co-relate to the stage the plant is in.

You can't force transpiration outside of the genetic potential and Cannabis plants require way less light for optimal growth in veg compared to flower.
 

DoubleD5374

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Are you in a 4x4 or a 3x3. With good led's 400w should kill it in 3x3.600w for a 4x4. Again this is quality lighting like from good cobs or Samsung boards. So yes you are probably a little over powered. No problem just turn her down a bit. I usually hang my light 18-24" away from plant not 36". So again if you lower the light closer you can turn it down a bit more. Will help with heat as well.
I run a kind x750 in a 4x4 . I improved yield pretty extensively over my fluence spydr 2i 630w . The main key to getting the full potential , of all that wattage is co2 .
I don’t regulate co2 at all during the winter , in fact it’s often times 2000-3000 ppm , in my tent , vs dialing in at recommended amounts with my ac infinity co2 controller/regulator / during the summer .

I run a propane buddy heater on my porch “lung room” the results of my winter grows are always better than my summer grows and they are being exposed to double the c02 anyone recommends

with co2 you can run very hot and very humid . I’m growing two massive autoflowers currently , and the light was cranked from day 14 and on . I would see temps between 90-95* , humidity in the 85-90% range , and my plants absolutely loved it with high levels of co2 during the entire veg stage .

1000w in a 4x4 with co2 would have amazing results imho - especially with photos which are known for handling higher intensity over autos. I’ve always went for higher wattage than recommended .

With a big light , you can normally dim it down if need be , but if you don’t have enough light - you’re SOL

I lollipop and defoliate extensively , but I run high humidity and end up with wpm issues if I don’t defoliate - some guys never cut or tuck a leave and end up with amazing crops. I’ve had schwazzing produce awesome results - I’ve been on the wrong side of things where the plant stopped growing for 2 weeks , responded insanely slow and absolutely killed yield .
 

Clutches

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I run a kind x750 in a 4x4 . I improved yield pretty extensively over my fluence spydr 2i 630w . The main key to getting the full potential , of all that wattage is co2 .
I don’t regulate co2 at all during the winter , in fact it’s often times 2000-3000 ppm , in my tent , vs dialing in at recommended amounts with my ac infinity co2 controller/regulator / during the summer .

I run a propane buddy heater on my porch “lung room” the results of my winter grows are always better than my summer grows and they are being exposed to double the c02 anyone recommends

with co2 you can run very hot and very humid . I’m growing two massive autoflowers currently , and the light was cranked from day 14 and on . I would see temps between 90-95* , humidity in the 85-90% range , and my plants absolutely loved it with high levels of co2 during the entire veg stage .

1000w in a 4x4 with co2 would have amazing results imho - especially with photos which are known for handling higher intensity over autos. I’ve always went for higher wattage than recommended .

With a big light , you can normally dim it down if need be , but if you don’t have enough light - you’re SOL

I lollipop and defoliate extensively , but I run high humidity and end up with wpm issues if I don’t defoliate - some guys never cut or tuck a leave and end up with amazing crops. I’ve had schwazzing produce awesome results - I’ve been on the wrong side of things where the plant stopped growing for 2 weeks , responded insanely slow and absolutely killed yield .
Whoa
 

Clutches

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Bro. That’s awesome reply homes. I haven’t messed with any co2 yet because I never thought I needed it but man what’s the deal with the mycelium bags from the top and let it waft. The crop. That sounds more about like my budget ya feel me But then again I donno. What’s the deal with the cheapest but not really cheapest but fair priced o2 jaint you think my one lil plant can take.
 

Clutches

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There's zero gain in pushing excess light in veg. You only need about 300w of LED max in a 4x4 for proper growth rates. More is not better in terms of light intensity, the intensity needs to co-relate to the stage the plant is in.

You can't force transpiration outside of the genetic potential and Cannabis plants require way less light for optimal growth in veg compared to flower.
Good point but I flipped to flower last week is it time yet papa.
 

DoubleD5374

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Bro. That’s awesome reply homes. I haven’t messed with any co2 yet because I never thought I needed it but man what’s the deal with the mycelium bags from the top and let it waft. The crop. That sounds more about like my budget ya feel me But then again I donno. What’s the deal with the cheapest but not really cheapest but fair priced o2 jaint you think my one lil plant can take.
I’ve never used the bags . Some like them - some don’t . I heat my porch with the heater anyways , so it’s a free bi product of the tent being located there . There has been zero regulation though , just whatever is in the air is what they get , but it was constantly exceeding 2000ppm all through veg .

I ran the same genetics 2x , first time I gradually rolled into the lights , and fed lighter - without co2 “didn’t need the heater as it was still summer time “

The second grow was with the same nutrients , same tent , same strain even - but this time with my light full blast , at day 14 and tons of co2 , and I have one auto that I’m fairly confident is gonna be close to a lb , and another that will be all of 10-12 ounces . The same strains yielded 3-4 ounces each on the previous grow with less light , no added co2 , and of course less nutrients , as they weren’t being leaned on as hard .

I have a grow journal on riu, for both grows , and there really is no comparison between the two .

I would love for someone to do a comparison , using a 4x4 and only 300w total during veg - vs say double that with co2 and high temps/ humidity , I think you’ll find that the plants with more light , nutrients , co2 etc - will grow faster , bigger and bushier than the plants with less light , less co2 , less nutrients .

these were started October 30th . By day 15 the back left had been topped , the front right was left alone .

the back left has 25% or more bud sites , larger buds , and wider overall.

I should also add that i left my light fairly high to begin with and let the plants grow to it .Which might contribute to what you’re saying, but I do know my ppfd was very high at the canopy early , well over recommended but showed no signs of stress no canoe’d leaves etc . . In fact I was going to leave the lights turned down again , when the breeder of the strains told me to turn it up ! I’m sure glad I did , because they absolutely exploded with growth in 2 weeks . From day 14 to day 28 in that journal , they went from 5-6 inches to 3.5+ foot and equally as wide .


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coreywebster

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So I am a newbie but not really but when it comes to shwazzing I am new and so I made the dumb ass decision to go ahead and shwazz. Will it recover and bring me ten pounds.
Lol.
lights is 10,000 Chinese watts 1000 real watts
And it is 35 inches above what do y’all recommend.
If I were you I'd space those lights out for a more even light distribution.
Maybe download a light app on your phone to help you do it.
 

Jjgrow420

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There's zero gain in pushing excess light in veg. You only need about 300w of LED max in a 4x4 for proper growth rates. More is not better in terms of light intensity, the intensity needs to co-relate to the stage the plant is in.

You can't force transpiration outside of the genetic potential and Cannabis plants require way less light for optimal growth in veg compared to flower.
Was just Gona say plants look way over lighted and unhappy. Totally unnecessary amount of light.
 
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