California tax refunds

misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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What about merchants that are out of state? If I lived there and merchants were taking it as tender, I'd get rid of it right away. My question is, if it says, for instance, IOU 600 dollars, and you go to buy something that is 200 hundred dollars, do they cross out the IOU amount and write now it's 400, or do they give you 400 dollars in cash as change?
 
diemdepyro

diemdepyro

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misshestermoffitt said:
What about merchants that are out of state? If I lived there and merchants were taking it as tender, I'd get rid of it right away. My question is, if it says, for instance, IOU 600 dollars, and you go to buy something that is 200 hundred dollars, do they cross out the IOU amount and write now it's 400, or do they give you 400 dollars in cash as change?
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That will never work.....Tulip bulbs were currency. One day the dutch figured out tulips were not good to eat. The whole economy collapsed. We have no hindsight. this problem with the economy can only be solved with diligent foresight.
 
misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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I didn't think it would work either, but TBT seems to think so. I'd be afraid of a state IOU. If they have no money then their IOU is basically worthless.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

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What's the difference between the State of California issuing an IOU for a tax refund, and a gift certificate to CostCo?

You can trade the gift certificate for payment of another service, providing the payee is willing to accept it, right? Is there a difference if the payee accepts your California State IOU to cancel your debt?

Just sayin' ....

Vi
 
medicineman

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ViRedd said:
What's the difference between the State of California issuing an IOU for a tax refund, and a gift certificate to CostCo?

You can trade the gift certificate for payment of another service, providing the payee is willing to accept it, right? Is there a difference if the payee accepts your California State IOU to cancel your debt?

Just sayin' ....

Vi
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The IOU means I owe you, Not someone else. Now if it just said I owe X amount of dollars and wasn't "you" specific, maybe it could be transferable.
 
misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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A gift certificate is paid for in cash in advance and the money is held in trust until the certificate is spent. An IOU means someone doesn't have any money.
 
TheBrutalTruth

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medicineman said:
The IOU means I owe you, Not someone else. Now if it just said I owe X amount of dollars and wasn't "you" specific, maybe it could be transferable.
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By that logic Med, every dollar that you have in your wallet, in your brokerage account and as equity is worthless as exchange.

They are all IOUs
 
diemdepyro

diemdepyro

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California used to produce it's own gold coins, so did other states maybe it is a statehood consideration?:bigjoint:
 
bob silvey

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Marijuana is the most commonly used illegal drug in America. According to a national survey performed by the Department of Health and Human Services, nearly 95 million Americans over the age of 21 have tried marijuana at least once. In addition to this alarming statistic, of the 7.1 million Americans suffering from illegal drug dependence or abuse, 60 percent abuse marijuana. These facts alone show that our country is currently struggling to control this substance and make it very clear that policies must be initiated that will further restrict access to this drug versus granting permission to obtain the substance.
The FDA — which opposes the use of smoked marijuana — is the federal agency that certifies what drugs are safe and those that have a medicinal benefit. While I am a supporter of states’ rights, it is critical that scientific research be conducted to determine what the ramifications are as a result of smoking a potentially dangerous substance. In 2006, the FDA declared that marijuana has a high potential for abuse, and that there is a lack of accepted safety for its use, even under medical supervision. The very idea of ingesting a “medicine” by smoking it is counterintuitive.
On Dec. 15, the New Jersey Senate’s Health, Human Services and Senior Citizens Committee favorably reported the “New Jersey Compassionate Use Medical Marijuana Act” by a 6-1 vote, with two abstentions. The proposed bill would permit patients, who are diagnosed by a physician as having a debilitating medical condition, to smoke marijuana either by cultivating up to six plants themselves or having it provided by a state-authorized personal caregiver. The legislation would also empower the Department of Health and Senior Services to establish alternative treatment centers to produce and dispense marijuana for medical purposes to those possessing a registry identification card. Currently, 13 other states permit the use of marijuana for medical purposes.
The potential for this legislation to become law is ill-advised public policy. I empathize with the stories described by the bill’s supporters of the relief that smoking marijuana gives those with debilitating diseases, but I fear that New Jersey would be making a mistake with unforeseen and unintended consequences if we think we can systematically control who will have lawful access to a controlled and dangerous subject. The pitfalls are huge and the opportunity for misuse and abuse are plentiful.
The Senate committee stated that medical research suggested that smoking marijuana may alleviate pain or other symptoms associated with certain medical conditions. Yet, there have been no studies conducted by the United States Food and Drug Administration to substantiate this claim.
Further, the Multiple Sclerosis Society’s Information Sourcebook — last updated in 2005 — advised that “based on studies to date, it is the opinion of the National Multiple Sclerosis Society’s Medical Advisory Board that there are currently insufficient data to recommend marijuana or its derivatives as a treatment for MS. Long-term use of marijuana may be associated with significant serious side effects.”
New Jersey — like the other 13 states — is in the process of sidestepping the protocol for approving medications. Questions regarding the use and effectiveness of medicine are for the FDA to answer, not special interest groups, not individuals, and not the state Legislature.
I am sensitive to the pain that individuals endure from disease, but that does not make it appropriate to sanction the medical use of marijuana. The implications of this legislation are farreaching, with an increased opportunity for abuse. I am not convinced that a secure system can be put into place that ensures the responsible production, delivery, and monitoring of medical marijuana.
Allowing either the patient or their caregiver to possess six marijuana plants for harvesting, or creating alternative treatment centers to dispense this product should raise a red flag to those concerned with making or executing sound public policy. The average marijuana plant can produce anywhere from 1 to 5 pounds of smokeable materials per year, resulting in a total harvest of anywhere between 6 to 30 pounds of marijuana. Who will oversee its output and ensure that patients do not overmedicate, or that the excess production is not diverted to those who use marijuana for recreational purposes?
The Drug Enforcement Administration lists marijuana as a schedule I drug as classified by the Controlled Substances Act, which defines drugs in this category as being the most restrictive for use due to their high potential for abuse and addictiveness. Products in this category are also found to have no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States. It is not surprising that the DEA does not endorse the use of smoked marijuana for medical purposes.
What is troubling about this legislation is the message that it sends to our youth. I have seen firsthand the devastation that drugs and alcohol bring not only to the individual who uses these products, but upon their families and friends as well. We should not be in the position of trying to justify to young people that smoking marijuana under certain circumstances is permissible, but unlawful and harmful under others.
While we are a compassionate society, there must be a balance between alleviating or managing pain, and creating a system that potentially does more harm than good. There are too many unanswered questions regarding this serious public policy issue to justify it becoming law. And once the box is opened it will be difficult to return its contents if things do not work out.
Assemblywoman Mary Pat Angelini is the representative for the 11th Legislative District.
Source: Atlanticville (NJ)
Copyright: 2009 Greater Media Newspapers
Contact: hubeditor@gmnews.com
Website: http://atlanticville.gmnews.com/
 
misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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Prohibition does not work, in the first prohibition that is widely taught to children, God was the cop, how many people did he have to watch? TWO, how'd that work out for him?

The FDA is 2 faced. They allow the use of chemicals that are on the EPA hazardous waste list to be used in scented products. Their take on it is, you don't ingest it directly, so it won't hurt you. Yet breathing these chemicals causes lung cancer and a lot of other diseases.

There have been ZERO deaths attributed to marijuana use, you can't even say that about aspirin.

THe "box" has already been opened...

* It was LEGAL TO PAY TAXES WITH HEMP in America from 1631 until the early 1800s; LA Times, Aug. 12, 1981.


* REFUSING TO GROW HEMP in America during the 17th and 18th Centuries WAS AGAINST THE LAW! You could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow hemp from 1763 to 1769; Hemp in Colonial Virginia, G. M. Herdon.


* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp
 
bob silvey

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This helps drive the point home even more. We have to band together and have the plant rescheduled as a Class II substance at least. Without that legalization is moot. Don't think for a minute that you are safe because your state recoginizes it as a good thing. We have to fight even harder in a grass roots effort to get the point across to the Government that this is a plant that will help the country both economically and healthwise. Until then the FDA/DEA has the law on their side. Legislation has to be changed.

Drug war is an industry and bureaucracy!

The so-called war on drugs is a huge industry and huge bureaucracy. Victory in the drug war is not possible, nor is it the goal.
Victory in the drug war would mean that the drug war industry and bureaucracy are out of business.
There are basically two types of people who support the so-called war on drugs:
1.Those who make their livelihood from it. This includes politicians and bureaucrats who are probably on the payroll of the drug cartels. (Al Capone had hundreds of politicians and prohibition officials on his payroll.)
2. Suckers. This includes taxpayers who have bought into the lies and propaganda of the drug-war industry and bureaucracy; who are willing to deny liberty and freedom to others but think their own liberty and freedom will never be in jeopardy; who believe that criminalizing a substance will make it go away; who think drug prohibition somehow protects children; who think giving criminals control of dangerous drugs somehow protects children and our society; who think they live in a free country even though the United States is the most incarcerated nation in the history of human civilization.
Link: http://www.eacourier.com/articles/2009/01/22/opinion/letters/doc49762642921eb280362815.txt
Source: 2009 Eastern Arizona Courier
Author: Kirk Muse
 
misshestermoffitt

misshestermoffitt

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Oh my state recognizes it as a way to steal all your shit. "What's that, you have a joint? well then we're sure you bought your car with drug money". WTF is that shit? fuckers........
 
diemdepyro

diemdepyro

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Take peoples property here too. The state always has to give it back on appeal. People here fight them and do not roll over and take it :)
 
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