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[refeermadness]

ok just ranting a lil here i guess. i love obama voted for him and i agree with him that we as a people need to make the change, and that he's not a mircle worker thats gonna fix everthing. but he is proposing a 800+billion dollar american recovery and reinvestment plan on individual tax cuts, business tax cuts,infrastucture spending,green speanding and aid to states. 800+ billion dollars thats alot of money to spend and for the american tax payers to pay back in the future. when will the fedral government realize that legalizingmarajuana and regulating it and taxing it would be a valuble investment in it's self from personal use and medical use and the hemp industury and hey etholnoyl i just get so angry when our country has such a natural resource that could grow and thrive all along the unitedstates and they won't take use of such a resource are they fucking stupid? 800+ billion dollars that more then the last 4 presidents commited to any of those fedral programs... and the bailout OMG did the carriage makers get a bailout when cars came out and there businesses toppled? let the car company's falter they've been igging there grave and there are hundreds of privatly owned companys that would gladly make use of the fedral assistance for green company's to make green products that could and would take care of the job problem. what happens when the bailout money runs out? i think this is very short term thinking. anyone have an opposing veiw or thought fell free to tell me off this is just my 2 cents

 

[undertheice]

what happens when the bailout money runs out?

more money will be stolen from the people, of course.

i think this is very short term thinking.

is it such short term thinking or is it the bureaucracy's natural quest to expand itself in both numbers and power? for every dollar handed out by government there are new positions generated to oversee those funds, for each new position there is a certain amount of power generated for those bureaucrats that oversee those positions. as the bureaucracy grows, the source of its power is further and further removed from the oversight of the people that bureaucracy is supposed to be working for. for decades we have been allowing the building a machine that is destined only to enslave us.

your love for the latest tool of this machine is just another link in your chains.

 

[HotNSexyMILF]

Great post Ice..

Well.. for the last bailout which was what? 750 billion on paper Bloomberg reported in the beginning of Dec that they ACTUALLY spent 8.5 TRILLION.. any guess as to how much they will actually spend this time around if they're just TELLING us 800 billion? LOL.. Add in to the fact that all the economists are admitting that Obama's "recovery plan" won't actually do anything for the economy right now, and that the money and effects MAY trickle down and help in a few YEARS. LOL.

We are so fucked I can't do anything but laugh at this point.. our economic collapse is insured.. And when it does happen, I fear the mass of sheeple will just beg the government to come in and fix it and take care of everything. Gosh, we are so fucked...LOL

 

[undertheice]

We are so fucked I can't do anything but laugh at this point.. our economic collapse is insured.. And when it does happen, I fear the mass of sheeple will just beg the government to come in and fix it and take care of everything.

we are fucked only so long as we depend on the animals in government to ruin our lives and our country for their own enrichment. we cease to be their victims once we take back the power they have stolen from us. i'm not even sure we can rightly call it theft, we have blithely handed over control of our lives for the illusion of safety and a bit of comfort. those who want to take charge of their own destiny are a dwindling minority and will, most likely, soon be obliterated by the unthinking mob.

we might be in a no win situation. even those who are willing to embrace personal responsibility are divided by their varying instincts to charity and desire to see all men raised up from a mundane existence. we seem to be trapped by the fantasy that all people are capable of success if they are only given the means.

 

[ViRedd]

... our economic collapse is insured.. And when it does happen, I fear the mass of sheeple will just beg the government to come in and fix it and take care of everything. Gosh, we are so fucked...LOL

And that's the idea MILF. Create the crisis, a crisis caused by the government, then scare the people so badly that they beg for the government to step in and fix the problem. Get ready for another trillion dollar shafting.

The only way to really "fix" the economy, would be for the federal government to step away from the problem and let the free market have it's head.

For starters, a truly patriotic administration and congress would slash the corporate tax rate to 15%, abolish the "death" tax, abolish the income tax and replace it with a simple sales tax. Needless to say, the capital gains tax would be abolished as well. After all of that, congress can declare an new war ... a war on government waste and corruption.

But none of this will happen because there are 535 people standing in the way. Their power and influence would be damaged to a great extent.

Vi

 

[HotNSexyMILF]

Amen Vi. I agree, it is crafted specifically to institute more control, with the people BEGGING for it. It sickens me.. the constant double speak.. and the blind ignorance of the masses reveling in their own demise.

Too many influential people stand in the way of freedom, and too many misinformed people as well..

 

[refeermadness]

yeah starting to believe the dec. 21 mayan doomsday lol it's getting bad and i think we can all tell it's bad when they try to spin it off as being better/getting better/plans made to make it better. Something needs to change and now gas is going backup LOL we are in 2 wars Bleh i'm going to work =p late

 

[medicineman]

Amen Vi. I agree, it is crafted specifically to institute more control, with the people BEGGING for it. It sickens me.. the constant double speak.. and the blind ignorance of the masses reveling in their own demise.

Too many influential people stand in the way of freedom, and too many misinformed people as well..

The trouble is and always has been: "meet the new boss, same as the old boss". It really doesn't matter which party. One is more for business and the other is more for the people, both are evil. I choose the one more for the people because I don't own a business. That's how it works. Except when the "people" are so fucking stupid that they elect a complete Idiot (Bush) that was against the people all the way. That was some real ignorant voter shyte right there, can you say evengelicals?

 

[HotNSexyMILF]

I hear ya Med.. though I find it really hard still to believe that Bush really won that second term..

There are COUNTLESS cases of PROVEN voter fraud from all our recent elections that honestly, I don't believe the election results come from our real votes. I think it's just about THEM picking a winner then convincing the public through the media that the winner won because the people chose them. When the media does their job well enough, much convincing isn't even needed, like this time around, they didn't even need to steal the elections- the media got the people so riled up behind Obama. Reguardless though, there was plenty of voter fraud this past election proven- though most of it was for Congress positions and state issues this time.

We have a two party dictatorship. Period.

 

[llLOU]

" when will the fedral government realize that legalizingmarajuana and regulating it and taxing it"
they realize that as soon as they re-legalize it ,they will not make a dime from taxing it,ppl will grow their own.
"would be a valuble investment in it's self from personal use and medical use and the hemp industury and hey etholnoyl"
this is where the Govt. can make some $$$

 

[llLOU]

we are fucked only so long as we depend on the animals in government to ruin our lives and our country for their own enrichment.

LOVE THE FREUDIAN SLIP!!!

 

[medicineman]

For starters, a truly patriotic administration and congress would slash the corporate tax rate to 15%, abolish the "death" tax, abolish the income tax and replace it with a simple sales tax. Needless to say, the capital gains tax would be abolished as well. After all of that, congress can declare an new war ... a war on government waste and corruption.
The ramblings of an anti tax right wing wannabee rich dude.

 

[undertheice]

LOVE THE FREUDIAN SLIP!!!

no slip, freudian or otherwise. the intent of government is the control and enslavement of the people and such slavery is the ruination of not only the people themselves, but the entire purpose this country was established.

 

[refeermadness]

not the way it started but slowly evolved into it, ice...

 

[refeermadness]

Me an my one buddy have a plan tho... if obama gets assinated were moving to canada! i'm leaning to moving there now

 

[refeermadness]

BTW also wanted to put out there that the continuedbailout and stimuluspackage ricks trillons in defits for years to come and risk a collapse in currency...

 

[llLOU]

no slip, freudian or otherwise. The intent of government is the control and enslavement of the people and such slavery is the ruination of not only the people themselves, but the entire purpose this country was established.

somewhere i read about how the bureaucracies are like a goddamn cancer that just gets bigger and bigger, till you cutt the mother out ...

 

[undertheice]

not the way it started but slowly evolved into it

the control of the people has always been the purpose of government and it is only a small step from control to enslavement. whether the ruling body is chosen by class, popular vote or divine right, the only purpose of rulers is to force the population onto a chosen path. through the lie of the ballot box we have been fooled into believing that the people are the ones making that choice, but the opaque nature of modern bureaucracies and their massive scale keep their citizens in the dark concerning most of government's means and aims.

 

[medicineman]

the control of the people has always been the purpose of government and it is only a small step from control to enslavement. whether the ruling body is chosen by class, popular vote or divine right, the only purpose of rulers is to force the population onto a chosen path. through the lie of the ballot box we have been fooled into believing that the people are the ones making that choice, but the opaque nature of modern bureaucracies and their massive scale keep their citizens in the dark concerning most of government's means and aims.

All you righties do is bitch about the government. I'd like to see just one of you geniouses come up with an alternative plan outside of near anarchy. Libertarianism has never worked and no country has adopted that form of "governance" or lack of. So what about it genious, let me have it? Please be specific.

 

[ViRedd]

All you righties do is bitch about the government. I'd like to see just one of you geniouses come up with an alternative plan outside of near anarchy. Libertarianism has never worked and no country has adopted that form of "governance" or lack of. So what about it genious, let me have it? Please be specific.

Med ...

With all due respect, you continue to display your stupidity with abandon.

You just don't get it, man. You honestly think that one party is for business and the other party is for the people? On the contrary, Med. BOTH parties are for one thing, and one thing only ... and that is to perpetrate the power of government and live off of the excesses. Most of their power is derived from corporate contributions (bribes) as payment for tweaking the tax code to favor the corporations, and from bilking the taxpayers.

Both the congress and the corporations are in bed together along with a very cooperative media. The media continues to promote government power along the same lines as did Pravda in the Soviet Union.

You, as well as the rest of the American people have been fed a bunch of lies. The difference between you and I, is that you continue to belief the bullshit.

There is nothing "right wing" about waking up to the truth.

Vi