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[medicineman]

Med ...

With all due respect, you continue to display your stupidity with abandon.

You just don't get it, man. You honestly think that one party is for business and the other party is for the people? On the contrary, Med. BOTH parties are for one thing, and one thing only ... and that is to perpetrate the power of government and live off of the excesses. Most of their power is derived from corporate contributions (bribes) as payment for tweaking the tax code to favor the corporations, and from bilking the taxpayers.

Both the congress and the corporations are in bed together along with a very cooperative media. The media continues to promote government power along the same lines as did Pravda in the Soviet Union.

You, as well as the rest of the American people have been fed a bunch of lies. The difference between you and I, is that you continue to belief the bullshit.

There is nothing "right wing" about waking up to the truth.

Vi

Yet you failed to answer the simple question. What is your alternative?

 

[ViRedd]

Yet you failed to answer the simple question. What is your alternative?

How many times do I have to lay it out for you, Med"

In order to reduce the power of the federal government, it is necessary to reduce what gives them the power ... namely, income.

Abolish the tax on income. If there are to be any taxes paid by the citizens, make it an excise tax, exactly like the taxes you pay at the gas pump.

Abolish the IRS.

Cut corporate taxes to the bone.

Eliminate taxes on capital gains.

Eliminate the inheritance tax.

Abolish the charter for the Federal Reserve.

Return to private banking.

Return to precious-metal-backing for all U.S. currency.

Elect representatives (like Ron Paul) who will respect the 10th Amendment.

Privatize the public school systems.

Privatize Social Security.

Turn the Pentagon into a Triangle.

Abolish the Departments of Education, Housing, Energy, FDA, FHA, BATF, DEA ... and all of the numerous, wasteful bureaucracies ... including the one that measures the flow of catsup!

Want more?

Vi

 

[medicineman]

How many times do I have to lay it out for you, Med"

In order to reduce the power of the federal government, it is necessary to reduce what gives them the power ... namely, income.

Abolish the tax on income. If there are to be any taxes paid by the citizens, make it an excise tax, exactly like the taxes you pay at the gas pump.

Abolish the IRS.

Cut corporate taxes to the bone.

Eliminate taxes on capital gains.

Eliminate the inheritance tax.

Abolish the charter for the Federal Reserve.

Return to private banking.

Return to precious-metal-backing for all U.S. currency.

Elect representatives (like Ron Paul) who will respect the 10th Amendment.

Privatize the public school systems.

Privatize Social Security.

Turn the Pentagon into a Triangle.

Abolish the Departments of Education, Housing, Energy, FDA, FHA, BATF, DEA ... and all of the numerous, wasteful bureaucracies ... including the one that measures the flow of catsup!

Want more?

Vi

So you want anarchy? well look out because all those people you throw off the system are going to come your way looking for a handout. Libertarianism will not work. It sounds good, but in practice, it ends up in anarchy

 

[Johnnyorganic]

All you righties do is bitch about the government. I'd like to see just one of you geniouses come up with an alternative plan outside of near anarchy. Libertarianism has never worked and no country has adopted that form of "governance" or lack of. So what about it genious, let me have it? Please be specific.

You claim Libertarianism has never worked, but such a perspective ignores the fact that this country was governed under Libertarian principles from its founding until 1913. I use 1913 as a benchmark because that is the year of the inauguration of Woodrow Wilson, the horse's ass who thought the U.S. should be a democracy following the model of the parliamentary democracies of Europe.

Yet you failed to answer the simple question.

Answered many times before.

What is your alternative?

Federalism.

A Federal government which adheres strictly to the Constitution. States united under one Constitution, but free to govern as each sees fit.

So you want anarchy? well look out because all those people you throw off the system are going to come your way looking for a handout. Libertarianism will not work. It sounds good, but in practice, it ends up in anarchy

I thought the Right only practiced the politics of fear. LOL!

Democracy is mob rule, much closer to anarchy than Libertarianism.

I mentioned Federalism previously. Federalism ended in 1865 with the end of the War Between the States, when Abraham Lincoln forced seceding States back into the Union at the point of a bayonet.

Subsequently, the United States acted like much more like an Empire than a Republic. Then along came the Progressive movement of the early Twentieth Century and American Mob Rule (Democracy) was the result.

 

[undertheice]

All you righties do is bitch about the government. I'd like to see just one of you geniuses come up with an alternative plan outside of near anarchy. Libertarianism has never worked and no country has adopted that form of "governance" or lack of. So what about it genius, let me have it? Please be specific.

are anarchism or minarchism right wing concepts? if the idea that we should all be afforded as much liberty as possible is such a conservative concept, what is the liberal alternative? should we all bow in subservience to the omnipotent state? i guess i just don't understand the selling point for the new left. ever more massive government and ever tightening restrictions in exchange for a little comfort seems like a grand idea for cattle being fattened up for slaughter, but it seems a sad turn of events for thinking rational beings who are capable of making decisions for themselves. i can see that there might be some folks out there who are too apathetic to mind being treated as livestock, i can even understand that there are others who feel sorry for those indolent fools and believe they should be treated as the bovines they are. i just don't see why every man, woman and child should be treated in such an infantile manner.

you want specifics? sorry, but i have no grand design. how about we start with the minarchist concepts of the constitution and this country's founders. we have complicated government and grown the bureaucracy to such an extent that our forefathers would hardly recognize the mess we have made of their simple plan. the only reason for governmental intrusion into our daily lives is the expansion of the power of our would-be masters. i'm not fool enough to believe that a workable anarchist society can spring up over night, but there is no reason we should not work toward the day when government is an unnecessary thing of the past. instead of tightening controls on the people, we should be allowing them greater freedom. freedom to succeed or fail, but always to learn from those lessons.

 

[ViRedd]

Get it now, Med?

Vi

 

[undertheice]

Get it now, Med?

of course not. though the goals may be laudable, the liberal establishment and its adherents will not believe that a curtailment of our liberties is not justifiable. they lack the needed patience and refuse to endure the pain of what failures naturally occur. they have faith only in a system and not in the individual.

 

[ViRedd]

And yet, Med rails against "right wing" fascism ... but continues to support it. Go figure.

Vi