Intelligent design

[TheBrutalTruth]

Red ants, fire ants, and termites don't pollute the whole world. They might be able to change the area they live in, but a fire ant in Florida isn't affecting the other side of the world. Only humans are able to destroy in such a complete manner.

If we were designed and placed here, what would be the reasoning behind the difference races?

You ask why blacks are becoming lighter and lighter skinned? Who says they aren't? Evolution does not happen over night, nor does it happen in just a few years. Evolution happens over the course of thousands of years. Who's to say 5 thousand years from now that the darker skinned people may not have lighter skin? At least those who live in colder climates might.

I like the way as an argument against evolution, you being up the evolution of the planet itself. Yes the planet is still changing, and will always be changing, that is if people don't blow it to bits first.

You'd be surprised how much Methane all those termite mounds actually put out.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119343257149773265.html

The ubiquitous termites are suspect because their population explodes where forests have been burned off to create farm and grazing land. A library search by Mr. Zimmerman found old reports of termite census showing 4,400 or so termites per square yard in the tropical forests and wet savannas, their favorite natural habitats, while in burned-off clearings the population jumped to 6,000 to 7,000 a square yard. Humans have been clearing the tropical and temperate forests at a rapid rate in the last century, of course.
How much methane these little wood chompers waft into the atmosphere is a mystery, however. A few years ago, Dr. Zimmerman and his colleagues dragged nests of two different termite species into the lab and measured their methane output. They then estimated the bugs produced 150 million metric tons of methane a year world-wide, but said the estimate could be off by 50% either way.

Off 50% Either way, that means that those little termites are pumping 75 Million - 225 Million Metric Tons of Methane into the atmosphere.


http://www.mcculloughsite.net/stingray/2006/06/13/al-gore-and-some-inconvenient-truths-about-global-warming.php

A really, really inconvenient truth for Gore is that all scientists agree that we're in a period of increased solar activity. The sun, of course, provides all of the heat for earth except the insignificant amount generated by humans. The heat from the sun has increased over the past 100 years and especially over the past 20 years.

According to observations by V. Ramanathan, B. R. Barkstrom, and E. F. Harrison, clouds have a net cooling effect of -17 W/m2 . Svensmark and Friis-Christensen conclude from the diminution of this cooling effect between 1986 and 1990 that the solar irradiance has increased by about 1.5 W/m2 within these three and a half years. A change of this order is quite remarkable, since the total radiative forcing by carbon dioxide accumulated since 1750 has been estimated by the IPCC not to go beyond 1.5 W/m2 . This means that cosmic rays, strongly modulated by solar activity, achieve an effect within three and a half years for which the accumulation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere needs centuries. This shows clearly to what extent the greenhouse effect has been overestimated in comparison with the solar contribution to climate change, which turns out to be the most important factor.
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According to NASA, Mars is experiencing global warming, too:

And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress.
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Now, there's an example of an extremist that is narrow-minded, manipulative, self-centered, hypocritical, and egotistic.


Some one should ask him about his two gigantic houses, and how big his carbon foot print is.


And why, if he wants everyone to cut back their's he isn't putting his money where his mouth is.

“The evil Republicans are destroying the solar system!”

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[misshestermoffitt]

Notice that the termite population went up by half in burned off clearings? Who would burn off rainforest? Humans..........

Even if the termites did put off that much methane gas, but since only 1 study was sighted, who's to say they even did it correctly, nature would evolve to compensate for it. I doubt the termites and their methane could kill the earth as quicky as humans have.

The industrial revolution came about in the early 1700's. That means in just over 300 hundred years, we humans have managed to totally pollute and trash the planet.

Our evolution has skewed somehow, we've become the bad ones. It's sad really. I'm ashamed for what our species has done to the world.

 

[overmyhead]

I am watching it also.I do not think anything that cannot be proven with fact,should be taught in school.That means no creationism or evolution.OPH

That's brilliant! But, as another poster said, not likely to happen. But it makes so much sense, especially with all of the additional concepts and activities forced on kids today: that they shouldn't be focusing on a theory that can and never will be proven (well until the end if you belief in creation.) I know I know, that's what science is all about - but there is no way these things can be proven.

Maybe there could be voluntary, extracurricular clubs available for both camps.

 

[mindphuk]

That's brilliant! But, as another poster said, not likely to happen. But it makes so much sense, especially with all of the additional concepts and activities forced on kids today: that they shouldn't be focusing on a theory that can and never will be proven (well until the end if you belief in creation.) I know I know, that's what science is all about - but there is no way these things can be proven.

Maybe there could be voluntary, extracurricular clubs available for both camps.

Does that mean we should stop teaching atomic theory, germ theory, plate tectonics, quantum mechanics too huh? I mean ever single scientific theory we have is still 'just a theory', not a single one has been 'proven'.

If you had bothered to read this thread instead of just keep repeating the same tired line of ET not being 'proven' maybe you would have actually learned something.

 

[ViRedd]

There's nothing wrong in teaching EV as a THEORY, nor is there anything wrong with teaching ID as a THEORY. In fact, IMO they BOTH should be taught as THEORIES. Teaching either as FACT, without concrete evidence, is heresy.

Always look for a hidden agenda.

Vi

 

[Stoney McFried]

No...because EV has been tested,researched, and has been through scientific process in an attempt to eliminate all other options. ID is based on faith, little evidence,and is a theory which does NOT hold up to scientific scrutiny.
Once again, I ask, what would the curriculum look like?What is the "right" interpretation, and if a kid gets it "wrong",do they receive a failing grade?Why is it that only the Christian theory of ID is the one that is proposed?Why aren't other ID theories to be represented?Where is the data to back up the theory?No, this is just a way for the religious wack jobs to try to insinuate their beliefs into our public schools.No thanks.If you want to teach your kids ID, then do so on your own time. Because it's not about objective scientific evidence, it's about faith based religious dogma,and that doesn't belong in our public schools.
For years they taught that pluto was a planet...until they discovered other similar objects of which pluto was one of the largest.Was this heresy?No,this was the scientific process at work,seeking to disprove itself in order to remain credible.Religion does not do this.It seeks to prove itself, and then discredits the individual who disagrees.Interesting that you use the word heresy, Vi...that's what the Catholic Church used to say of the round earth theory.

There's nothing wrong in teaching EV as a THEORY, nor is there anything wrong with teaching ID as a THEORY. In fact, IMO they BOTH should be taught as THEORIES. Teaching either as FACT, without concrete evidence, is heresy.

Always look for a hidden agenda.

Vi

 

[hom36rown]

There's nothing wrong in teaching EV as a THEORY, nor is there anything wrong with teaching ID as a THEORY. In fact, IMO they BOTH should be taught as THEORIES. Teaching either as FACT, without concrete evidence, is heresy.

Always look for a hidden agenda.

Vi

one is a scientific theory, thoe other is not. I guess we could start a whole new class called crackpot theories 101, but we would have to include numerology, phrenology, astrology, the flying spaghetti monster, the theory that I farted the univers into existence, etc etc

 

[Stoney McFried]

LOL...all hail the Cosmic Sphincter....

the theory that I farted the univers into existence, etc etc

 

[mindphuk]

There's nothing wrong in teaching EV as a THEORY, nor is there anything wrong with teaching ID as a THEORY. In fact, IMO they BOTH should be taught as THEORIES. Teaching either as FACT, without concrete evidence, is heresy.

Always look for a hidden agenda.

Vi

Sorry, the only theories that should be taught to students is the best science available and in a free marketplace of ideas is that is the science which appears in peer-reviewed scientific journals and what is practiced by professional scientists. If you can't get your ideas in the marketplace because they are good, and you turn to the government to have them taught, that isn't how science is done and that isn't how a free society should operate.

How come no ID advocates will comment on the the Dover, PA Board of Education trial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdQRvSdLAs

This next one is quite long, just under 2 hours, but if you are really interested in learning about the 'debate' then you really should be following some of these trials where the ID proponents continue to come up empty when challenged with the difficult questions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRsWAjvQSg

 

[hom36rown]

LOL...all hail the Cosmic Sphincter....

lol, I'm especially fond of that one too. Thats the lesson for day 1 of crackpot theories 101

 

[AGSteve]

There's nothing wrong in teaching EV as a THEORY, nor is there anything wrong with teaching ID as a THEORY. In fact, IMO they BOTH should be taught as THEORIES. Teaching either as FACT, without concrete evidence, is heresy.

Always look for a hidden agenda.

Vi

Intelligent Design in not a theory. Theories are not based on religious beliefs trying to debunk scientific evidence.

Evolution is happening and you can see it. Do your children look exactly like you, behave exactly like you, have the same intelligence as you, ffs the list goes on endlessly.

 

[tinyTURTLE]

people who put forth intelligent design as a possible solution have little grasp on the concept of time.
it takes 100 10,000 year periods to make a million.
the human race (according to fossil records) have been around 250,000 years on the outside. (that means at most).
their frail little minds cannot conceive the changes evolution can wring out of species over such long periods of time.
now, i am not an atheist or a nihilist, but i still belive we evolved from lower life.
i can belive in jesus and belive in this too. i fee no shame or any less human because of it.
some are aghast at the thought that they may be evolved from some lower form of life.
it is nothing against god either. who, by the way, probably wishes some of us stupid humans could look at the bible with a more obtuse view.

 

[mindphuk]

Intelligent Design in not a theory. Theories are not based on religious beliefs trying to debunk scientific evidence.

Evolution is happening and you can see it. Do your children look exactly like you, behave exactly like you, have the same intelligence as you, ffs the list goes on endlessly.

Exactly. ID proponents are trying to skip the normal progression of science, testing their theories and making predictions based on them; publishing in peer review science journals; attending the conferences of the various disciplines of biology and earth sciences. The same method has elevated other 'wacky' hypotheses to the level of current scientific knowledge. The term Big Bang was originally coined by steady-state proponents as a derisive comment calling the idea absurd.
ID proponents don't want to put up with the scrutiny of science, in fact, they would like to expand the definition of science to include non-natural phenomena. They have testified to that fact in Federal Court. When asked on cross, Micheal Behe admits that astrology would have to be considered science if the definition is expanded to include ID. That should scare some people. Not saying that phrenology, alchemy, spiritualism, wicca, etc. don't have anything to offer people, but it doesn't make any of it science.

 

[AGSteve]

people who put forth intelligent design as a possible solution have little grasp on the concept of time.
it takes 100 10,000 year periods to make a million.
the human race (according to fossil records) have been around 250,000 years on the outside. (that means at most).
their frail little minds cannot conceive the changes evolution can wring out of species over such long periods of time.
now, i am not an atheist or a nihilist, but i still belive we evolved from lower life.
i can belive in jesus and belive in this too. i fee no shame or any less human because of it.
some are aghast at the thought that they may be evolved from some lower form of life.
it is nothing against god either. who, by the way, probably wishes some of us stupid humans could look at the bible with a more obtuse view.

i think you put your point well. although somewhat ot do you believe jesus was born of a virgin and was the son of god or just someone who advocated ppl being nice to each other?

 

[We Love 1]

I have more questions than I do answers but I give My opinions.

I believe in evolution to a certain degree but I believe humans were put on earth via aliens. I don't believe We evolved from monkeys because We don't even have the same number of chromosomes as them. Everything has to have been evolved from stardust, PERIOD. Either that or God directly interjected and created life from dust. But We all came from the big bang and its been a process ever since.

After the big bang, which God created-

Hydrogen gas started collecting and forming gas clouds.

Clouds of hydrogen got so dense and hot that they turned into stars.

Every atom besides hydrogen was formed in stars.

These heavier atoms and molecules eventually formed planets from exploding stars.

Somehow life started on planets from just stardust.

The rest is history.

How come Earth is 2/3s water while the moon, Mars and other planets don't have water?

How come humans are so much more advanced than any other species on earth?

Do You believe in aliens? If so then how long do You think they have been intelligent for, considering the universe has been around for ~14 billion years? Man has only been keeping records for ~6k years. We have only been flying planes for ~100 years. Computers have only been around for ~20 years. Cell phones ~10 years. GPS, space ships, satelites, laptops, submarines, TV's, cars, etc, it has been an exponential explosive evolution of human technology in the past 200 years. Just imagine whats going to be around in another 200 years? Or 6000 years? We will be populating other planets and going on intergalactic excursions exploring further. We are aliens too.

How long do You think it would take monkeys to obtain the knowledge We have and perform the things We can?

~PEACE~

 

[AGSteve]

I have more questions than I do answers but I give My opinions.

I believe in evolution to a certain degree but I believe humans were put on earth via aliens. I don't believe We evolved from monkeys because We don't even have the same number of chromosomes as them. Everything has to have been evolved from stardust, PERIOD. Either that or God directly interjected and created life from dust. But We all came from the big bang and its been a process ever since.

After the big bang, which God created-

Hydrogen gas started collecting and forming gas clouds.

Clouds of hydrogen got so dense and hot that they turned into stars.

Every atom besides hydrogen was formed in stars.

These heavier atoms and molecules eventually formed planets from exploding stars.

Somehow life started on planets from just stardust.

The rest is history.

How come Earth is 2/3s water while the moon, Mars and other planets don't have water?

How come humans are so much more advanced than any other species on earth?

Do You believe in aliens? If so then how long do You think they have been intelligent for, considering the universe has been around for ~14 billion years? Man has only been keeping records for ~6k years. We have only been flying planes for ~100 years. Computers have only been around for ~20 years. Cell phones ~10 years. GPS, space ships, satelites, laptops, submarines, TV's, cars, etc, it has been an exponential explosive evolution of human technology in the past 200 years. Just imagine whats going to be around in another 200 years? Or 6000 years? We will be populating other planets and going on intergalactic excursions exploring further. We are aliens too.

How long do You think it would take monkeys to obtain the knowledge We have and perform the things We can?

~PEACE~

computers have been around for alot longer than you think. just because they didn't have a monitor or keyboard they are not computers. colossus was created during the second world war and computing devices are known well before that. cell phones... ffs you really are showing your age. cell phones became commercial in the 80's.

apes already show advanced use of tools.

i suggest you start learning and stop spending your time smoking dope.

 

[We Love 1]

i suggest you start learning and stop spending your time smoking dope.

Too bad I'm not smoking bud since I need to pass a drug test soon.

Keep Your ignorant opinions to yourself.

The ~ means approximately. I could have googled the exact dates but its not that important. I didn't think I was going to get harped on by some jerk.


About the aliens, heres some cool vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC8fF...eature=related

I cant wait until 2012 to see if planet X will return or is even real. Maybe the Anunnaki will visit again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evWJ9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POBZW...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjiw...eature=related

Seems legit to Me though!

One question I have is how did the Mayans (or any ancient dooms day prophets) know that 2012 was going to be the date? Because We didn't start Our current yearly counting until Jesus was born (and the Mayans predicted this date before Jesus). (Maybe) I believe they knew He was coming with the new age and thus the begginning of the counting of years A.D. If We didn't have Jesus for a referance point, how else would We know what year We are in?

~PEACE~

 

[mindphuk]

I have more questions than I do answers but I give My opinions.

I believe in evolution to a certain degree but I believe humans were put on earth via aliens. I don't believe We evolved from monkeys because We don't even have the same number of chromosomes as them.

First off, evolution doesn't say we evolved from monkeys. It says that humans and apes share a common ancestor.
Secondly, the discovery of the missing chromosomes was big news a few years ago http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/5045.html?emailID=4976

In fact, Dr. Miller talks specifically about the fusion of chromosome #2 in the video I have posted a few times already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdQRvSdLAs

 

[tinyTURTLE]

i think you put your point well. although somewhat ot do you believe jesus was born of a virgin and was the son of god or just someone who advocated ppl being nice to each other?

i don't know. nor do i feel the need.
a comforting result of obtuse religious views. also a healthy dose of the Tao Te Ching. Better than the bible in my opinion, even if not mutualy exclusive.

 

[AGSteve]

Too bad I'm not smoking bud since I need to pass a drug test soon.

Keep Your ignorant opinions to yourself.

The ~ means approximately. I could have googled the exact dates but its not that important. I didn't think I was going to get harped on by some jerk.


About the aliens, heres some cool vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qC8fF...eature=related

I cant wait until 2012 to see if planet X will return or is even real. Maybe the Anunnaki will visit again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evWJ9...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POBZW...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYjiw...eature=related

Seems legit to Me though!

One question I have is how did the Mayans (or any ancient dooms day prophets) know that 2012 was going to be the date? Because We didn't start Our current yearly counting until Jesus was born (and the Mayans predicted this date before Jesus). (Maybe) I believe they knew He was coming with the new age and thus the begginning of the counting of years A.D. If We didn't have Jesus for a referance point, how else would We know what year We are in?

~PEACE~

go f urself you dumbass. is that ignorant enuff for you. how about i say i was born of virgin and a god speaks to me all the time. keep on posting, show us just how young and foolish you are.