the obama deception

b0bdyl4n420

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I'd like to hear some opinions on this very interesting documentary. Only intelligent responses please. If you're going to say you think he's doing a great job, don't leave out what you think he's doing a great job AT. Also don't watch only a few minutes and post your view. Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_AdVVKFdM
 

Microdizzey

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Thanks for the link but this had been posted many times here. Most who disagree will do nothing but name call or say irrelevant things, just to warn you. People can't grasp the whole New World Order idea. I say it's only a matter of time until the world is united under one flag.

There are some who will disagree and explain why, which is what I like to see. Good, logical arguments with a dash of common sense.

I don't really like how this documentary was made, but it explains what is most important for people to know. A new order is coming, through a process, and our best interests are not in the fine print of the whole scheme. Whether you're too afraid to accept it or not, it's pretty much here already. Best thing anyone can do is prepare for a chaotic scenario. Make sure you can defend your family, and feed them as well. Just in case we are put into a devastating situation. I wouldn't want to be someone who has absolutely nothing to survive off of. Keep on with your life, be prepared, and keep yourself educated. Knowing is half the battle.
 

CaRNiFReeK

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I watched this whole movie. It led me to watch, "Endgame" Then I quit watching the news. I watched "Are You a Sovereign Yet", and that led me to read a couple of books, and finally the "Iron Mountain Report", (apparently a hoax). I'm pretty appalled at the NWO idea. I'm definitely opposed. On Sovereignty, I really put more stock in law than Alex Jones. After the Iron Mountain Report, I really question the fairy-tale ending that will rise from the ashes of global socialism and war. I think it is absolutely inconceivable that a group of the world's elite sat down a few hundred years ago, and blueprinted the fall of mankind, yet the events thread like a needle. The obama Deception really is a very light scratch on the surface of these issues. Armed with that information alone, you will sound like a kook. Look into the legal definitions of things like sovereignty, freedom, liberty. You will come away with the understanding that you have no rights at all, and that you haven't had a SINGLE right under the law ever since your parents signed your birth certificate and filed for your social security card.
 

ViRedd

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Look into the legal definitions of things like sovereignty, freedom, liberty. You will come away with the understanding that you have no rights at all, and that you haven't had a SINGLE right under the law ever since your parents signed your birth certificate and filed for your social security card.
Carn ...

That is dead-nutz right on! I hope you continue to post in the political forum. :)

Vi
 

TheBrutalTruth

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I watched this whole movie. It led me to watch, "Endgame" Then I quit watching the news. I watched "Are You a Sovereign Yet", and that led me to read a couple of books, and finally the "Iron Mountain Report", (apparently a hoax). I'm pretty appalled at the NWO idea. I'm definitely opposed. On Sovereignty, I really put more stock in law than Alex Jones. After the Iron Mountain Report, I really question the fairy-tale ending that will rise from the ashes of global socialism and war. I think it is absolutely inconceivable that a group of the world's elite sat down a few hundred years ago, and blueprinted the fall of mankind, yet the events thread like a needle. The obama Deception really is a very light scratch on the surface of these issues. Armed with that information alone, you will sound like a kook. Look into the legal definitions of things like sovereignty, freedom, liberty. You will come away with the understanding that you have no rights at all, and that you haven't had a SINGLE right under the law ever since your parents signed your birth certificate and filed for your social security card.

Well, if you are not a sovereign autonomous individual (self-ruled) then it would follow that you are a subject, serf or slave.

The Constitution was not designed for a subject nation, it was designed to govern a nation of autonomous individuals that take self-responsibility for their actions, and their problems. It was designed to facilitate independence, liberty, and the extension of morality amongst a Christian (or at least Deist) nation.

A nation that believes in higher morals that come from God, a Creator or Nature. Only a people that do not believe that people are entitled with certain rights by their Creator - whether that Creator is God, Nature or some other forces - would need the kind of over-arching bureaucracy that we have in this country.

It does not matter whether a God created us or if we are the product of Evolution. For the Constitution to work, it must be held that we are different from all the other animals, and as such are capable of a higher level of moral existence than other animals.

Unlike dolphins we understand that it is immoral to Rape.

Unlike ants we place some value on human life and even the lowest individual amongst us is capable of reproducing.

Unlike the ants we have reached a point where we understand slavery is immoral.

Humanity is above the animals, and thus can not be held to be an animal. We have set standards of behavior that exceed the limits set by animals.

Institutions such as the Death Penalty for Murderers and Rapists are meant to punish people that revert to animalistic behavior and reject the moral strictures created by humanity.

It doesn't matter if these people are insane, because they are no longer acting like human beings but are acting like animals, and law and custom has proscribed punishment for mad dogs, and people that involves putting them down.

Just as it would be irrational to shelter a mad dog at the expense of the tax payers it should be held as being irrational to shelter a violent criminal at the expense of the tax payers. When a criminal throws away their humanity by throwing away humanity's morals then they are no longer worthy of the protections that humans receive by virtue of their humanity.

Whether or not Humanity is of the Angels, or have the Apes, or nothing more than randomly configured star dust that forms the punch-line for a great Cosmic Joke does not matter.

We are what we are, and we are different.

We are Homo Sapiens, the thinking animal, the acting animal, the reasoning animal.
 

medicineman

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Carn ...

That is dead-nutz right on! I hope you continue to post in the political forum. :)

Vi
Geeze, I guess Me traveling all over the world and the USA is not freedom. I guess working for who I wanted is not freedom, I guess spending my money on what I want is not freedom, having the friends I want, or not is not freedom. Just what the fuck do you consider freedom,. freedom from taxation, from laws, from what??? Do I think there are too many laws and too many taxes, hell yeah. What can I do about it but vote, nothing unless I like 5x9 cells. Accept your place in life and mello out Vi, life is way too short. The only thing you need to change is yourself.
 

TheBrutalTruth

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Geeze, I guess Me traveling all over the world and the USA is not freedom. I guess working for who I wanted is not freedom, I guess spending my money on what I want is not freedom, having the friends I want, or not is not freedom. Just what the fuck do you consider freedom,. freedom from taxation, from laws, from what??? Do I think there are too many laws and too many taxes, hell yeah. What can I do about it but vote, nothing unless I like 5x9 cells. Accept your place in life and mello out Vi, life is way too short. The only thing you need to change is yourself.

Oh yes Med, we are going to accept slavery

if that was the case then we would all be subjects of Britain still, and our nation would be the territory of France, the Netherlands, Spain or Portugal.

As you would remind us as members of society we have a responsibility to ensure that our neighbor's house does not get burned down. We have a responsibility to ensure that they do not get robbed from while they are away.

Whether they are being robbed from by people or by the "elected representatives" of people does not matter. The moral duty to protect our neighbors from those that would do them harm is still there. After all, if we do not stand for them and their property rights how can we expect them to stand for us and our property rights?

"First they came for the Jews
but I was not a Jew so I did not speak up.

Then they came for the Catholics,
but, lo, I was not Catholic and thus did not speak up.

Then they came for the Protestants,
but, lo, I was not Protestant and I did not speak up.

Then they came for me,
and I looked around wondering who would speak up
for me, and there was no one around."

To paraphrase that piece of writing regarding Nazi Germany.
 

CaRNiFReeK

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I think that it is important to realize that the US GOVERNMENT, FBI, CIA, FEDERAL RESERVE, UNITED NATIONS, etc. are all corporations. Even though a dollar represents an asset, it is actually representing a debt. When I look at the money in your wallet, does it say FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE on it, or does it say MEDICINEMANS MONEY? If it says MEDICINE MANS MONEY, then you have built a stand alone economy in your community. You have put together a list of people in your community that agree to trade MEDICINEMANS MONEY in exchange for goods and services. You have also formed a legal CO-OP, you have accounted for exactly how much tangible services and goods is needed to back up every dollar, and how much of that backup must be on hand, etc. That's all the FEDERAL RESERVE did! Built an economy. But the FED did not have to back up every dollar with goods and services, they backed up their money with the souls of you and me, my grandparents, and my grandchildren.

This was accomplished by getting YOU to agree to give up your sovereignty- Your right as a human being to have right of first authority over your life, liberty and pursuit of property. The day you became a US CITIZEN, you gave up your right as a Sovereign American, whether you gained your citizenship willingly, or it was done for you through SOCIAL SECURITY applications that were filed when you were probably days old. From that moment on, the FEDERAL RESERVE has been collecting interest on your soul and that interest is represented by taxes.

Start your own economy, and use that tender exclusively. You do not have to pay taxes on FEDERAL RESERVE money if you have none of it. I think it is impossible to expect that it could even be done.

As far as travel, there is a way that a Sovereign American can travel abroad. Look on the back of your passport, and notice that it has a designated spot for several different legal clarifications of US or American citizen. Also, try cutting up your drivers license. Cant get insurance, without it, can't get a tag without that. Can't expect to drive long without a tag. If you are not paying for all of those regulatory taxes, then you are NOT traveling anywhere. I do not think freedom is freedom from taxation. But freedom from taxation on top of taxation on top of taxation? Yeah, I am seeing where my freedom is going one cha-ching at a time.

Vote? You really think that voting is going to bring change? Even voting on the local level does nothing. Here's why: (the short short version) Firmly understand the 9th and 10th amendments. Generally speaking, they guarantee the rights of the states and the induvidual to regulate themselves without FEDERAL interference as long as the issue is not already adressed in the Bill of Rights. The Govt comes into a state and convinces them under false pretenses, threats, etc. To start all kinds of reforms that the state can't afford. Then when they State's budget is strapped the FEDERAL RESERVE prints whatever is needed for the state to stay solvent. After a while, people like, (and depend) on those welfare checks. So when the State is bankrupt again next year, the FED pads their debt again. And again. What's in it for the FED? Only control of the State. Exactly what the 9th and 10th Amendments were designed to protect.

And if the state doesn't want to go along? Well, you know about the civil war? Yeah, the south got crushed, and the slaves were freed. But were they Sovereign Americans? No. They became US Citizens. Unable to vote or hold public office. Most of the people in the USA today are US Citizens. "But I have the right to vote", you might say. Do you? And what is that right worth in the world you live in? They might demand 3 recounts, and they may blame it on the CHAD. But the fact is, that George W. Bush was groomed for the Presidency long before he was born. Even in a typical election, the electoral college will counter the popular vote.
 

b0bdyl4n420

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And if the state doesn't want to go along? Well, you know about the civil war? Yeah, the south got crushed, and the slaves were freed. But were they Sovereign Americans? No. They became US Citizens. Unable to vote or hold public office. Most of the people in the USA today are US Citizens. "But I have the right to vote", you might say. Do you? And what is that right worth in the world you live in? They might demand 3 recounts, and they may blame it on the CHAD. But the fact is, that George W. Bush was groomed for the Presidency long before he was born. Even in a typical election, the electoral college will counter the popular vote.
could not agree more. we have very little say in the laws and politics of our country
 
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