bossman88188
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We need to excersize our right to build a new government.
This juust in. Mass exodus of californians
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CrackerJax
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Buckling down on guns only makes it more difficult for the law abiding citizen. Criminals don't pay ANY attention to gun laws.
When you create "GUN FREE ZONES", it all looks and FEELS warm and fuzzy, until something goes terribly wrong. Then the gun free zones become killing zones. A gun free zone is a criminals BEST FRIEND.
When you create "GUN FREE ZONES", it all looks and FEELS warm and fuzzy, until something goes terribly wrong. Then the gun free zones become killing zones. A gun free zone is a criminals BEST FRIEND.
GanjaAL
Active Member
And we still vote for the same meatheads... day in and day out. It has been a Democratically controlled state since I can remember and everyone wants to blame the Gov. Arnold.
Now if they stopped supporting illegal's and deport the illegal prisoners then maybe we would have a chance.
Man I hate cali.
Now if they stopped supporting illegal's and deport the illegal prisoners then maybe we would have a chance.
Man I hate cali.
w1ckedchowda
Well-Known Member
Ron Paul, I wish, was the candidate I voted for. Instead, like most of the American people, I didn't pay much attention to him until it was too late.
It's a shame too. He's really what this country needs.
Checkout some of his stuff on youtube.
It's a shame too. He's really what this country needs.
Checkout some of his stuff on youtube.
TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
Virginia Tech was a "gun free zone" I guess the criminal was illiterate, which doesn't make any sense when one considers the fact that the criminal had been a former student.
Columbine - another "gun free zone" as highschools have been since the 90s. Yet another failure of epic proportions for attemps to make "gun free zones."
Perhaps a safer method would be to ensure proper training and certification for all citizens, and to draft the laws so that they will not be prosecuted if they stand up for themselves to people that are trying to use deadly force against them.
An armed populace has no need to fear tyrants or criminals, having the tools to defend their own lives and liberty.
bicycle racer
Well-Known Member
to all the repubs did you see how your party treated ron paul in the pseudo debates they would utterly not allow him to speak simply sad. the truth or anyones truth that differs from there's is shunned no free speaking allowed in this money/religion controlled country we need to change or this empire will come to a quick halt in a few decades.
bicycle racer
Well-Known Member
im fully against all gun control politics aside.
CrackerJax
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TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
If you were trying to insult me, you could have gone lower by calling me "normal." From what I've seen normal is a state of complacency where you make knee-jerk decisions based on feelings and a person's appearance, gender, race or religious background instead of their policies.That is pure INSANITY!!!
Insane, yes, I resemble that.
bicycle racer
Well-Known Member
define deadly force against them i dont understand please clarify.
CrackerJax
New Member
No, I was COMPLETELY agreeing with you, I just was taking the scenic route....If you were trying to insult me, you could have gone lower by calling me "normal." From what I've seen normal is a state of complacency where you make knee-jerk decisions based on feelings and a person's appearance, gender, race or religious background instead of their policies.
Insane, yes, I resemble that.
TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
I know, and I was trying to make a point from it Jax.No, I was COMPLETELY agreeing with you, I just was taking the scenic route....
CrackerJax
New Member
More scenery? This must stop!!
Can't we just agree to....agree?
Can't we just agree to....agree?
TheBrutalTruth
Well-Known Member
Lol, what a strange thing to agree to. Sure, I'll give it a try.More scenery? This must stop!!
Can't we just agree to....agree?
a new update to the circus known as california
Cash-strapped states up against budget deadlines
Reuters California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks to the media after meeting with U.S. Health and Human
By Jim Christie Jim Christie 2 hrs 9 mins ago
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) California prepared on Tuesday to resort to issuing IOUs as the giant but cash-strapped U.S. state struggled to approve a new budget in time for the new fiscal year that begins on Wednesday.
The IOUs, which are notes promising payment to vendors and local agencies, or shutting down some public services, are among measures that California and other states may have to rely on as they contend with staggering budget gaps caused by the U.S. recession.
Several U.S. states are due to start their fiscal years on July 1 with budget talks at an impasse. California, the most populous state, is especially hard hit.
The Golden State, hit by a leap in unemployment and a crash in property values, is suffering its worst tax revenue fall since the Great Depression and faces a $24.3 billion budget deficit.
"It's been a sort of perfect storm, of a very deep recession hitting us and exposing the weakness of depending on revenue sources sensitive to economic cycles," labor lobbyist Barry Broad said.
Fixing the massive budget gap "is going to require pain. That's the only way out of it," added Jack Pitney, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College.
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger insists on deep spending cuts. But Democrats who run the Legislature want tax increases that Schwarzenegger and fellow Republicans oppose.
GIVING WALL STREET HEARTBURN
Budget talks have ground to a stalemate, forcing State Controller John Chiang to prepare IOUs to be mailed on Thursday.
They would preserve dwindling cash for payments to schools and, just as important since California needs to sell short-term debt, for cash-flow purposes -- once it has a budget agreement.
Chiang plans to issue $3.36 billion in IOUs in July to help California maintain $10.9 billion in normal cash payments during the month, including payments to bondholders.
"The general obligation bonds will be paid," Chiang told Reuters. "California has never defaulted on its debt obligation and we don't plan to do so."
California's budget woes are making Wall Street nervous.
Fitch Ratings last week downgraded its rating on the state's general obligation debt and warned it may lower the rating again, citing the state's fiscal and economic stress. The agency cut California's rating by one notch to A-minus, placing it four notches above speculative, or "junk" status, and making it the lowest rating of any U.S. state.
Standard & Poor's Ratings Services and Moody's Investors Service have also warned there may be downgrades of California's general obligation debt. Moody's has warned the state could see a multi-notch downgrade of its A2 rating. S&P rates $57 billion of the state's outstanding general obligation bonds A.
A MUDDLE IN THE MIDWEST
As California officials readied their IOUs, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland on Tuesday signed a seven-day interim spending plan that buys lawmakers more time to craft a two-year budget.
"It is troubling that Senate Republicans are still refusing to say what they would do to fill the budget gap. Because of this, I have no other option but to sign a temporary budget that only delays the inevitable hard choices before us," Strickland, a Democrat, said in a statement.
Meanwhile, Indiana appeared to be on course to avert a government shutdown at midnight. A vote on a compromise budget was heading for a vote on Tuesday, according to John Schorg, a spokesman for Democrats who control the House.
Republican Governor Mitch Daniels has said safety services, such as state police and prisons, will continue to operate should there be a shutdown, while other services would stop.
Illinois lawmakers could send Governor Pat Quinn legislation to sell $2.23 billion of shorter-term general obligation bonds to ease spending cuts in a budget they passed late last month. Proceeds from the bonds would fund part of a fiscal 2010 pension payment, freeing up money in the budget.
But Quinn, who has claimed the Legislature's budget has a $9.2 billion shortfall, appeared to be holding out for a balanced spending plan to avoid drastic cuts in social services spending. He has been pushing for an income tax increase.
Pennsylvania's lawmakers were stuck on Governor Edward Rendell's plan to raise the income tax rate, possibly pushing negotiations past the midnight deadline.
(Additional reporting by Karen Pierog in Chicago and Jon Hurdle in Philadelphia; Editing by Jan Paschal)
Reuters California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks to the media after meeting with U.S. Health and Human
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By Jim Christie Jim Christie 2 hrs 9 mins ago
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) California prepared on Tuesday to resort to issuing IOUs as the giant but cash-strapped U.S. state struggled to approve a new budget in time for the new fiscal year that begins on Wednesday.
The IOUs, which are notes promising payment to vendors and local agencies, or shutting down some public services, are among measures that California and other states may have to rely on as they contend with staggering budget gaps caused by the U.S. recession.
Several U.S. states are due to start their fiscal years on July 1 with budget talks at an impasse. California, the most populous state, is especially hard hit.
The Golden State, hit by a leap in unemployment and a crash in property values, is suffering its worst tax revenue fall since the Great Depression and faces a $24.3 billion budget deficit.
"It's been a sort of perfect storm, of a very deep recession hitting us and exposing the weakness of depending on revenue sources sensitive to economic cycles," labor lobbyist Barry Broad said.
Fixing the massive budget gap "is going to require pain. That's the only way out of it," added Jack Pitney, a professor of government at Claremont McKenna College.
California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger insists on deep spending cuts. But Democrats who run the Legislature want tax increases that Schwarzenegger and fellow Republicans oppose.
GIVING WALL STREET HEARTBURN
Budget talks have ground to a stalemate, forcing State Controller John Chiang to prepare IOUs to be mailed on Thursday.
They would preserve dwindling cash for payments to schools and, just as important since California needs to sell short-term debt, for cash-flow purposes -- once it has a budget agreement.
Chiang plans to issue $3.36 billion in IOUs in July to help California maintain $10.9 billion in normal cash payments during the month, including payments to bondholders.
"The general obligation bonds will be paid," Chiang told Reuters. "California has never defaulted on its debt obligation and we don't plan to do so."
California's budget woes are making Wall Street nervous.
Fitch Ratings last week downgraded its rating on the state's general obligation debt and warned it may lower the rating again, citing the state's fiscal and economic stress. The agency cut California's rating by one notch to A-minus, placing it four notches above speculative, or "junk" status, and making it the lowest rating of any U.S. state.
Standard & Poor's Ratings Services and Moody's Investors Service have also warned there may be downgrades of California's general obligation debt. Moody's has warned the state could see a multi-notch downgrade of its A2 rating. S&P rates $57 billion of the state's outstanding general obligation bonds A.
A MUDDLE IN THE MIDWEST
As California officials readied their IOUs, Ohio Governor Ted Strickland on Tuesday signed a seven-day interim spending plan that buys lawmakers more time to craft a two-year budget.
"It is troubling that Senate Republicans are still refusing to say what they would do to fill the budget gap. Because of this, I have no other option but to sign a temporary budget that only delays the inevitable hard choices before us," Strickland, a Democrat, said in a statement.
Meanwhile, Indiana appeared to be on course to avert a government shutdown at midnight. A vote on a compromise budget was heading for a vote on Tuesday, according to John Schorg, a spokesman for Democrats who control the House.
Republican Governor Mitch Daniels has said safety services, such as state police and prisons, will continue to operate should there be a shutdown, while other services would stop.
Illinois lawmakers could send Governor Pat Quinn legislation to sell $2.23 billion of shorter-term general obligation bonds to ease spending cuts in a budget they passed late last month. Proceeds from the bonds would fund part of a fiscal 2010 pension payment, freeing up money in the budget.
But Quinn, who has claimed the Legislature's budget has a $9.2 billion shortfall, appeared to be holding out for a balanced spending plan to avoid drastic cuts in social services spending. He has been pushing for an income tax increase.
Pennsylvania's lawmakers were stuck on Governor Edward Rendell's plan to raise the income tax rate, possibly pushing negotiations past the midnight deadline.
(Additional reporting by Karen Pierog in Chicago and Jon Hurdle in Philadelphia; Editing by Jan Paschal)
CrackerJax
New Member
Hey, where can I cash in this IOU? (door slams) Oh, I see.....
anyone with a silver spoon forcably inserted into their colon will be able to get into harvard or yale. doesn't mean shit. The colleges and universities are run by the government anyways. The politicians of today send they're kids through these schools, saying that they are getting a high education to be great leaders. but all they're really teaching them is how to behave and think exactly as the guy before him which is exactly what the gov. wants. This means stability, control, and minimal diversity in political ideologies. Perfect, for keeping everything under their supreme control.
CrackerJax
New Member
I agree that connections can get you into an Ivy league school. Staying there is another matter. Give credit where credit is due plz, to both sides.
cali defaults on its debts.
California in "fiscal emergency" over budget woes
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Reuters SEIU union members and state workers protest outside the State Capitol in Sacramento, July 1, 2009. REUTERS/Max
By Jim Christie Jim Christie 30 mins ago
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a fiscal emergency on Wednesday, forcing lawmakers to tackle a budget gap that has raised the prospect of drastic measures to keep the state working.
Lawmakers debated late into the night Tuesday but could not agree on a plan to balance California's budget -- now showing a deficit of $26.3 billion -- in time for the new fiscal year, which began on Wednesday.
That left state officials with no choice but to prepare for suspension of payments to vendors and local agencies which instead will get "IOU" notes promising payment.
The most populous U.S. state -- the eighth-largest economy in the world in 2006 -- now risks further cuts to its credit ratings, which would increase its borrowing costs when coffers are already stretched to breaking point.
"Though the legislature failed to solve our budget problem yesterday, rest assured that solving the entire deficit remains my first and only priority, and I will not rest until we get it done. I will not be a part of pushing this crisis down the road -- the road stops here," Schwarzenegger said in a statement.
California lawmakers struggle with budget deadlines nearly every year but this budget fight is taking place amid the state's worst drop in revenues from personal income taxes since the Great Depression as recession and rising joblessness worsen damage done to the state economy by the housing slump.
Democrats, who control the legislature, and Republicans agree on the need for spending cuts but are split over whether to raise taxes to help fill the gap.
Republican lawmakers and Schwarzenegger, also a Republican, have ruled out tax increases. They want deep spending cuts to balance the budget. Democrats say that would slash the state's safety net for the needy to the bone.
By declaring a fiscal emergency, former Hollywood action star Schwarzenegger is forcing lawmakers to focus on plugging the budget gap.
Assembly Majority Leader Alberto Torrico said Democrats would press the governor to back their budget plan, which they believe some Republicans will inevitably support. "He can issue as many edicts as he wants," Torrico said. "We're going to keep sending it to him until he signs it."
California bonds due in 10 to 30 years traded stronger in the secondary municipal debt market after suffering in recent weeks on the growing crisis in California, said Municipal Market Data analyst Domenic Vonella.
CASH CRISIS LOOMS
The White House said it was keeping a close eye on California's woes but, after federal coffers were stretched with massive bailouts of the U.S. financial sector and automakers, it did not hold out an offer of help.
Officials from several states have proposed Washington help with more aid or by vouching for state debt. "We continue to watch the situation and we'll see as it develops," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
California's treasurer was preparing plans to issue short-term debt assuming Washington will not guarantee it. "We did not ask for a bailout, repeat, we did not ask for a bailout. We wanted the federal government to step in and provide a backstop for our cash-flow borrowing," said spokesman Tom Dresslar.
Meanwhile, California's lack of a budget may trigger action by Wall Street credit ratings agencies, which have warned they may lower the state's rating further.
Fitch last week downgraded California's general obligation debt by one notch to A-minus, four notches above speculative "junk" status, making it the lowest rating of any U.S. state.
Fitch and Moody's had no immediate comment on California's IOU plan or failure to pass a budget. Standard & Poor's said in a statement it affirmed its A rating on the state's general obligation debt, but kept it on CreditWatch with negative implications.
"Should the current impasse over a budget revision remain unresolved long enough that the state's cash management actions no longer are sufficient to effectively insulate its priority payments -- including debt service -- the state's GO rating will likely be lowered, possibly to below 'A-'," S&P said.
In Sacramento, tempers flared in the state Senate as the midnight start of the new fiscal year and the prospect of IOUs -- last used 17 years ago -- neared.
"There is no excuse to hold this whole state hostage," state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg told Republicans during a floor debate.
Senate Republican Leader Dennis Hollingsworth countered that major cuts are urgently needed. Otherwise, "there will be entire programs that will have to be lopped off," he said.
California risks being unable to pay all of its bills this month. State Controller Chiang plans to issue IOUs by Thursday to state vendors, some local agencies and to the elderly, disabled and college students who receive state aid.
Bank of America said it would accept IOUs from customers through July 10, becoming one of the first major commercial banks to jump on board the program.
Chiang plans to send $3.36 billion in IOUs this month to help the state make $10.9 billion in other payments, including money owed to investors holding California's debt.
"California has never defaulted on its debt obligation and we don't plan to do so," he told Reuters.
California needs to reassure Wall Street it can pay its debts because state officials need to sell $7 billion to $9 billion of short-term debt once there is a budget agreement.
"Absent a credible budget revision package, we believe the state may suffer insufficient investor confidence in its finances to successfully place such an offering," S&P said.
(Reporting by Jim Christie; Additional reporting by Marianne Russ in Sacramento, Lisa Lambert and Doug Palmer in Washington; Editing by Gary Hill)
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Reuters SEIU union members and state workers protest outside the State Capitol in Sacramento, July 1, 2009. REUTERS/Max
By Jim Christie Jim Christie 30 mins ago
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared a fiscal emergency on Wednesday, forcing lawmakers to tackle a budget gap that has raised the prospect of drastic measures to keep the state working.
Lawmakers debated late into the night Tuesday but could not agree on a plan to balance California's budget -- now showing a deficit of $26.3 billion -- in time for the new fiscal year, which began on Wednesday.
That left state officials with no choice but to prepare for suspension of payments to vendors and local agencies which instead will get "IOU" notes promising payment.
The most populous U.S. state -- the eighth-largest economy in the world in 2006 -- now risks further cuts to its credit ratings, which would increase its borrowing costs when coffers are already stretched to breaking point.
"Though the legislature failed to solve our budget problem yesterday, rest assured that solving the entire deficit remains my first and only priority, and I will not rest until we get it done. I will not be a part of pushing this crisis down the road -- the road stops here," Schwarzenegger said in a statement.
California lawmakers struggle with budget deadlines nearly every year but this budget fight is taking place amid the state's worst drop in revenues from personal income taxes since the Great Depression as recession and rising joblessness worsen damage done to the state economy by the housing slump.
Democrats, who control the legislature, and Republicans agree on the need for spending cuts but are split over whether to raise taxes to help fill the gap.
Republican lawmakers and Schwarzenegger, also a Republican, have ruled out tax increases. They want deep spending cuts to balance the budget. Democrats say that would slash the state's safety net for the needy to the bone.
By declaring a fiscal emergency, former Hollywood action star Schwarzenegger is forcing lawmakers to focus on plugging the budget gap.
Assembly Majority Leader Alberto Torrico said Democrats would press the governor to back their budget plan, which they believe some Republicans will inevitably support. "He can issue as many edicts as he wants," Torrico said. "We're going to keep sending it to him until he signs it."
California bonds due in 10 to 30 years traded stronger in the secondary municipal debt market after suffering in recent weeks on the growing crisis in California, said Municipal Market Data analyst Domenic Vonella.
CASH CRISIS LOOMS
The White House said it was keeping a close eye on California's woes but, after federal coffers were stretched with massive bailouts of the U.S. financial sector and automakers, it did not hold out an offer of help.
Officials from several states have proposed Washington help with more aid or by vouching for state debt. "We continue to watch the situation and we'll see as it develops," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
California's treasurer was preparing plans to issue short-term debt assuming Washington will not guarantee it. "We did not ask for a bailout, repeat, we did not ask for a bailout. We wanted the federal government to step in and provide a backstop for our cash-flow borrowing," said spokesman Tom Dresslar.
Meanwhile, California's lack of a budget may trigger action by Wall Street credit ratings agencies, which have warned they may lower the state's rating further.
Fitch last week downgraded California's general obligation debt by one notch to A-minus, four notches above speculative "junk" status, making it the lowest rating of any U.S. state.
Fitch and Moody's had no immediate comment on California's IOU plan or failure to pass a budget. Standard & Poor's said in a statement it affirmed its A rating on the state's general obligation debt, but kept it on CreditWatch with negative implications.
"Should the current impasse over a budget revision remain unresolved long enough that the state's cash management actions no longer are sufficient to effectively insulate its priority payments -- including debt service -- the state's GO rating will likely be lowered, possibly to below 'A-'," S&P said.
In Sacramento, tempers flared in the state Senate as the midnight start of the new fiscal year and the prospect of IOUs -- last used 17 years ago -- neared.
"There is no excuse to hold this whole state hostage," state Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg told Republicans during a floor debate.
Senate Republican Leader Dennis Hollingsworth countered that major cuts are urgently needed. Otherwise, "there will be entire programs that will have to be lopped off," he said.
California risks being unable to pay all of its bills this month. State Controller Chiang plans to issue IOUs by Thursday to state vendors, some local agencies and to the elderly, disabled and college students who receive state aid.
Bank of America said it would accept IOUs from customers through July 10, becoming one of the first major commercial banks to jump on board the program.
Chiang plans to send $3.36 billion in IOUs this month to help the state make $10.9 billion in other payments, including money owed to investors holding California's debt.
"California has never defaulted on its debt obligation and we don't plan to do so," he told Reuters.
California needs to reassure Wall Street it can pay its debts because state officials need to sell $7 billion to $9 billion of short-term debt once there is a budget agreement.
"Absent a credible budget revision package, we believe the state may suffer insufficient investor confidence in its finances to successfully place such an offering," S&P said.
(Reporting by Jim Christie; Additional reporting by Marianne Russ in Sacramento, Lisa Lambert and Doug Palmer in Washington; Editing by Gary Hill)