Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

[Evil Buddies]

yeah they looking real good and that blue mountain stuff is really good. Keep up the good work jerry.

I harvested my rhino jack today my cam is broke but will borrow one for some bud shots looks amazing red and orange buds. It's haging up drying now I love harvest time and still got 5 more ladies left to harvest. Looks like one is almost done in a few days and the leaves has turned purple. Its looking great smelling sweet.


Evil

 

[WonderWhatsNext]

Those plants look amazing jerry nice work on the grow and enjoy the buds, thanks for the comments too

 

[mared juwan]

Jerry, I wouldn't go with the cooltube. They're cheap to begin with because the reflector is inside the tube (just a reflective piece of metal that lines 1/2 of the tube) or kind of batwinged out to the side. The geometry of both setups are awful for reflecting light. Since the 1st type of reflector is the same shape as the tube (perfectly round) it ends up trapping light by reflecting it back onto itself. The batwing has the opposite problem of dispersing light too widely. They have a fix for this where you remove the reflector inside the tube and mount a different (non bat-wing) reflector to the outside. But this ends up costing more than if you has just bought a vented box type reflector to begin with. Daystar is the shit!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Jerry, I wouldn't go with the cooltube. They're cheap to begin with because the reflector is inside the tube (just a reflective piece of metal that lines 1/2 of the tube) or kind of batwinged out to the side. The geometry of both setups are awful for reflecting light. Since the 1st type of reflector is the same shape as the tube (perfectly round) it ends up trapping light by reflecting it back onto itself. The batwing has the opposite problem of dispersing light too widely. They have a fix for this where you remove the reflector inside the tube and mount a different (non bat-wing) reflector to the outside. But this ends up costing more than if you has just bought a vented box type reflector to begin with. Daystar is the shit!

Thanks for info mared. I've been looking at air cooled reflectors as well as cool tubes, and will probably go with the box type thing now that you've brought this to my attention. I considered a cool tube initially because my space is small and the light doesn't really need to disperse that much...but then I thought about what would happen when I move somewhere with a larger room...and what if I want to get a 600w or 1000w sometime...so I think the air cooled hood is the way I'll go. Now I just need to find one for cheap...

I've been out of town for the last few days so I haven't really been keeping up the journal. Things are doing fine though...except the PPP clone developed this really weird discoloration on the top fan leaves. I'll take some pics later and share--doesn't seem serious or anything, I've just never seen anything like it. I'm still waiting for Thai SS clones to reveal sex so I know what to do with the two in the veg room. They are so fucking huge its unbelieveable. I'm a little scared of how much they're going to stretch in flower...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Oh, and I just opened my Blue Mountain Organics package and found a FREE bag of worm castings! I sent them a message saying I was interested in ordering some to go with my nutrients and they threw one in for free!

I love these guys already!

 

[warisnottheanswer]

lookin dam good there jerry!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

I harvested my rhino jack today my cam is broke but will borrow one for some bud shots looks amazing red and orange buds. It's haging up drying now I love harvest time and still got 5 more ladies left to harvest. Looks like one is almost done in a few days and the leaves has turned purple. Its looking great smelling sweet.

Any pics yet Evil?

lookin dam good there jerry!

Thanks war. I'll get more pics up soon...

 

[cappeeler09]

Nice one jerry had a look at ur 1st grow just checking out ur 2nd i have had loads of the blue cheese and u will love it real sweet blueberry taste and smell. Will be keeping an eye on ur babies.

Evil

wots poppin bro....im getting close to flowering stage my plants are just under 1 and a half feet....ther very bushy....what do u thinks the best size to flower blue cheese......and when should i start trimming it down and how much can i cut off

 

[Jerry Garcia]

wots poppin bro....im getting close to flowering stage my plants are just under 1 and a half feet....ther very bushy....what do u thinks the best size to flower blue cheese......and when should i start trimming it down and how much can i cut off

I guess the best size is whatever fits your height restrictions...

As far as trimming...what exactly do you want to trim?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

I've been slacking. Here's the latest from Jerry's Farm...

PPP Jr. It's been in a black pot for a couple days and seems to be really liking it. I tried my hand at fimming about a week...and fuck, I missed. I don't know what I to expect really, but I think it worked out just fine.

Here's a top-down shot. Little sucker is growing quick.

Next, PPP Sr. Looking good too. There's been some yellowing and necrosis of the lower fan leaves, but really nothing too extreme. Probably going to take a couple more clones using the lowest branches...I read something about those being the best candidates as they take root more readily...or something. I purchased an $18 5-light "hydra" standing lamp from target a couple days ago to add some supplemental lighting now that the plants have gotten so damn tall.

Here's another shot of the PPP. Should be ready to flower in the next week or so (depending on several factors, including acquiring an air-cooled reflector...)

Blue Cheese B. Two solid main colas. Some more significant lower yellowing/necrosis on this one, but the added light and new diet (Blue Mountain Organic line) should take care of that. Tops look nice though, minus the leaf tip curl which has been there the whole time.

Blue Cheese A. Catching up in height. Doing fine though and showing preflowers.

Thai Super Skunk #1. Very tall. Very leggy. Takes 14 weeks to flower. I'm kinda hoping it turns out to be a male...ok, not really, but I know I don't need to grow this sucker inside ever again!

Thai Super Skunk #2. Healthier looking than #1. Both have had significant leaf dropping due to their immense height and insufficient lighting. They're on some good organic nutrients, I've added lights, we'll see if they're female...the tops are both in flower and have been for the past 2 weeks with no sign of sex. Hopefully that is a good thing.

Finally, a group shot to give a little perspective.

So they're all ready to hit the flower room, no question about that. The problem is still the HEAT. I need an air-cooled reflector...I think it's the only way. I'm short on funds, but that should be changing in the next week. As soon as that happens I'll grab one from my hydro store and load up the flower room! I hope I can find one that fits!

I'm also now 100% organic with the BMO nutrient line I'm feeding the plants. It's too soon to say if I notice a difference, but early returns are positive...

 

[hemphopper]

Wow Jerry! Good to see the farm on the cusp of autumn! I like the group shot and the cheese have maintained their compact stature - like little muscle girls! My Blue Cheese are in day 38 of flower and buds are forming nicely. I've added extra (4 42W) CFLS in additio to the T5's and Tricome production is sweet and sticky. I had a bad time with the FF nutes and am going to finish them with Neptune's Harvest Fish/Seaweed blend. Like you, organic. The FF's for me were too hot even though I mixed em dilute. I can't wait to see you plants budded out and am anxious to hear what you wind up with for a cooled hood and how it works.

Best,
H

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Wow Jerry! Good to see the farm on the cusp of autumn! I like the group shot and the cheese have maintained their compact stature - like little muscle girls! My Blue Cheese are in day 38 of flower and buds are forming nicely. I've added extra (4 42W) CFLS in additio to the T5's and Tricome production is sweet and sticky. I had a bad time with the FF nutes and am going to finish them with Neptune's Harvest Fish/Seaweed blend. Like you, organic. The FF's for me were too hot even though I mixed em dilute. I can't wait to see you plants budded out and am anxious to hear what you wind up with for a cooled hood and how it works.

Best,
H

Thanks man. Good to hear about your sweet and sticky situation! Those added 42 watters should make a big impact.

Regarding the nutrients...foxfarm worked for me in my first grow, but I know I used way too much. Often times less is more, and that seems to be most true of nutrients. I wanted to try something different for my second grow, and I managed to find a low-cost organic nutrient line that I've heard great things about. I like organic fruits and vegetables, so why not marijuana?

I forgot to mention in my update that I plan on taking some clones of the blue cheeses as well as the PPP. Should be doing it in the next couple days, so stay tuned for that one.

I'm also going to get my experimental coco grow up and running. I've got a brick of the stuff, so I might as well use it!

 

[hemphopper]

I really dig learning from everyone's efforts - the Coco experience will be interesting. No Gnats with that stuff I'd guess. Some threads I'v also been following are Uncle Ben's thread about getting 4 main colas but he shares a lot of botanical knowledge there too. There's also a cat named Growone or something like that who grew one plant (Grow Tube Part deux) in a tube he made out of roof flashing and lit with 3 42 W cfl. He got close to 2 OZ of dry bud from that set up which impressed me through the economics of it.

 

[mattyblade1]

Jerry nice thread mate and great healthy looking ladies.. Well done.. Can i ask what temps you have there ? and can i ask exactly how you make the CO2 with yeast and water or whatever ingredients you need.

I have temps in the mid to low 80's all the time and mine seem to be growing great, but i'm really intersted in how you make you C02 any tips i would appriciate and would give rep + in return.

thanks mate.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Jerry nice thread mate and great healthy looking ladies.. Well done.. Can i ask what temps you have there ? and can i ask exactly how you make the CO2 with yeast and water or whatever ingredients you need.

I have temps in the mid to low 80's all the time and mine seem to be growing great, but i'm really intersted in how you make you C02 any tips i would appriciate and would give rep + in return.

thanks mate.

My temps in the veg room are usually in the low to mid 80's, getting as high as 87 once in a while. The flower room gets up to about 94 on a regular basis. There are 4 bagseed plants flowering in there, but I can't subject my quality genetics to those extreme temps.

As far as the CO2, just take an empty jug of some sort, fill it with warm water, a cup or 2 of sugar, and some yeast (I like to use the pre-portioned packages, but you can buy a little jar too). I don't think the amounts are critical. The key is to cut a small hole in the cap...small enough you can cover it with your finger and give the jug a good shake. When you shake the mixture it releases CO2...and builds pressure inside the jug. When you release your finger it will force out the CO2 in a little burst. It's good to shake it every few hours if possible. You'll know the mixture needs recharging when you shake it and it doesn't really bubble up and create pressure. Just give it some more sugar or more yeast and it should be good to go. Change it out every couple of weeks and you'll be good to go.

CO2 absorption is optimal with all fans (extraction/oscillating/whatever) off. So if you want to turn off your fans for 15 minutes and give a few good bursts to each plant that would be a good idea...but I don't do all that. I just let it sit there and shake it every once in a while.

 

[mattyblade1]

Could you use an empty coke bottle or something like that with a hole cut in the top ?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Could you use an empty coke bottle or something like that with a hole cut in the top ?

that would work fine. anything plastic you can shake (with finger covering hole) and squeeze.

 

[mattyblade1]

Cool mate thanks

 

[Jerry Garcia]

So I decided to it was time to take some clones of the three primary girls (both blue cheeses and the ppp) yesterday morning. All cuttings were taken from the lowest or next-to-lowest branches on all plants. This was done for two reasons:
1) The branches below the two main colas on the blue cheeses (there are like 4 or 5 nodes below where I topped) seem to be suffering a bit...whether it is lack of lower light, nutrients, whatever. I figured they aren't going to produce much in flower, so why not see if you can turn them into new plants?!
2) I remember reading somewhere that the lower branches are better for cloning...whether it is because they have less hormones or something else I can't quite remember...but the PPP clone that is now about a month old was taken from the lowest branch and it rooted just fine.

Some of the clones aren't the most healthy looking, but that ties into reason #1 why I chose to use them...

Anyway, pics...

Here's a group shot. The two on the left are from Blue Cheese A. The middle is PPP. The two on the right are Blue Cheese B. I should really label them...

Blue Cheese A clones.

Blue Cheese B clones

And one PPP clone. I only took one because I've already got the older clone and the mother.

The clones are in 3:1 mixture of Ocean Forest and Light Warrior. I'm not using any humidity dome this time, just frequent misting. I'm also only using one t5 on 24/7.

Oh, and here's a shot of the veg room in situ, just for fun...

 

[hemphopper]

Lookin Good Jerry! Inspiring too!