Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

[mared juwan]

How tall you gonna veg them things Jerry? You tryin to build some tree houses in em or something LOL? Is it an optical illusion or are those plants like 4 feet tall? JK I'm sure you've got a plan. But I wanted to let you know that I harvested my GHS Cheese and even though your strain is probably not related at all to mine I now understand how the concept of cheese can work awesome with weed. It actually turned out a lot better than I expected. Had a fake me out smell on the vine but got real strong and dank after chopping and drying. Plus potency is great. So yea I hope you get similar rewards from your cheesey adventures.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Well, now that you mention it they are getting a little big...after checking the height limitations on my flower room and the current size of the thai super skunks, I came to the conclusion that I'm fucked. I can finally confirm one is female--the TSS clones (really the tops from when I topped them) have been in the flower room for over 2 weeks, and just yesterday I saw my first pistils on one plant. Too bad I don't know which clone goes with which plant...still nothing from the other clone.

Anyway, the damn things are already over 2 feet tall, and from I hear it will be getting MUCH taller. I've been employing some lightweight (and some not-so-lightweight) supercropping to keep them in line, but I may have to do some extreme training to keep them in check. I've also considered just topping them...or possibly bonsai-ing the roots...if I trim off a portion of root mass and repot in some fresh soil I may be able to get through flower with it in a small black container, which saves about 7 inches of height compared to the white ones.

Less extreme measures involve me removing the lower shelf they currently sit on and let them sit on the floor, or possibly raising the shelf from which the lights hang...though that seems less likely (and like a lot of work). I can probably grow a 4 to 4.5 foot tall plant without too much fuss...

The blue cheeses and ppp are both about 1.5 feet tall...which is right about where I want them. I could have started flowering on all of them long ago if I wasn't so concerned about the heat issue.

But my money is coming, and soon after an air cooled reflector, so I'll probably just bite the bullet and put the Thai's in to flower now...especially considering they have 14 weeks!!!!!!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Oh, and about the cheese thing...I'm not sure how it's going to work out or what it will smell like, but I'm pretty excited either way.

 

[hemphopper]

Hey Jerry,

I cut one of my Blue Cheese last night to make room. Smallest one and a bit scraggly having lost a lot of leaves early on and having gnats and nute burn. Still though I was impressed by the number of budded branches. I flash dried some trim and my wife and I couldn't finish a whole joint. Stuff is good and I'm really looking forward to properly dried and cured bud. The drying buds have a strong but not really skunky smell. They smelled skunky earlier in the grow but now seem a bit fruity. I stopped the FF Nutes and am only using a fish/seaweed blend - don't know if that influenced taste or not. At middle of week 7 of flowering. Gonna wait as long as possible to cut the rest. Never topped em but well budded side branches - Good Strain! You will get a lot of bud from your Cheese girls - they from wisconsin?? "Cheese buds the Wake and Bake Breakfeast Treat"

 

[Jerry Garcia]

HH...glad to hear you liked the smoke! 7 Weeks seems a little early, but you do what you've got to do right? Do you have a microscope to check the trichomes for peak potency? Barney's says it is an 8-9 week strain so you should be getting close!

I finally bit the bullet and picked up a super sun II air cooled reflector for the flower room. I rigged it up last night and the temp only increased by 3 degrees compared to ambient room temp...which is a HUGE success in my eyes. I'm also pretty satisfied with the 250 cfm inline duct fan that is sucking out the air...I'm sure a 440 cfm would do even better, but that's another $100+ I'd rather drop on some beans!

I anticipated getting the new reflector a couple days ago and decided to switch the lights in the veg room to 12/12 to get the ball rolling on flowering. I'm going to repot the two blue cheeses and the big ppp tonight when they wake up (8pm) into large white pots and they can assume their proper place in the flower room. Given the obscene height of the Thai Super Skunk, I may be leaving it in the small black pot until I figure out what the hell to do with it (I refer to it in the singular now because I know one is male and one is female...I just don't know which is which...but I've got a good guess...should know for sure in a couple days to a week).

Sorry no pics right now...all the lights are off except the cone chamber. Speaking of, I decided to re-institute use of the humidity dome for the clones and I think it's helping. I can keep the humidity around 80-90% while only marginally raising the temperature.

They all seem to be staying alive, which is good for about one week. Some look a little better than others, but I have no reason to doubt they will all root.

My goal is to get a roughly 2 week rotation schedule going, where I take fresh clones and root them for 2 weeks in the clone chamber, switch them to veg for another 2 weeks or 3 weeks and then on to the flower room for 8-9 weeks to finish up.

I'm also considering growing them all out SOG style...I would top everything above the second node for 4 main colas or FIM (which I'm warming up to after experimenting with it on my PPP clone) and try to get a few main spears growing within the 7x7" square pots. I've learned I can fit 8 of these pots in the flower room, but they are all right up against either a wall or another plant, so they can't really grow horizontally.

None of these plans I make ever really come to fruition, as I just change and adapt as the situation demands. It's nice to have a plan though just in case things all decide to work out like they should...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Pre-Update Update:

I repotted the big PPP and both Blue Cheeses this morning. Both have been transferred to the flowering room where they will fruitfully live out the rest of their lives. No pics yet...it's hard to take pictures when the lights are only on for 12 hours and I'm sleeping for most of those.

GOOD NEWS: After failing to root the tops of the blue cheeses a few weeks ago, the two Blue Cheese A clones have successfully rooted in 10 days! Hopefully the others aren't far behind!

Gonna post up a real update later with some pics, I promise!

Oh, and I'm going to order some seeds tomorrow, so throw me some ideas for preferred strains! I've got about 13 in mind right now...to be whittled down to 2 or 3 depending on $$$$

 

[Jerry Garcia]

I've got my sights set on Reserva Privada OG Kush, Greenhouse Super Lemon Haze and Barney's Farm LSD.

Opinions?

 

[The Cheese Is Dank]

I've got my sights set on Reserva Privada OG Kush, Greenhouse Super Lemon Haze and Barney's Farm LSD.

Opinions?

I dont know wat any1 else thinks, but with ur skills i think a nice romulan or blueberry romulan plant would be so nice. im sure once other people start replying ill change my mind but until then u have my opinion

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Thanks Cheese...I can't find any romulan on Attitude...I know some of subcool's strains have it in the genes, but I don't want to pay attitude prices for his gear. I'll get it someday, but I'll get it from breedbay for half the price. For now, I'm sticking with what I know works...Attitude.

I'm looking at some Chiesel too...Big Buddha Cheese x Soma NYC Diesel...

 

[mared juwan]

Jerry, no Green House please. I like the OG Kush, prepare for major stinkage but I think you have found out by now that if the plant doesn't stink like crazy it's not worth growing. I look for strains that have the rep as most stinkiest. I worked out a deal in exchange for pics with another seedbank, I'll pm you with details. It's pretty cool. But I haven't cruised the Attitude in a while. Let me check and see what I would recommend.

 

[mared juwan]

OK nothing I would feel confident in recommending there is gonna be cheap. You can't lose with DJ Short, Serious, Soma, but honestly the best value still seems to be Subcool to me. I wouldn't look at it like you can get it cheaper somewhere else, that is true of anything. You have to look at your personal utility and the barriers to obtaining it for that cheaper cost. If you won't order from anywhere else then you shouldn't even factor in those prices. So the fact that Subcool is cheaper elsewhere doesn't change the fact that they are still the best genetics for the lowest price that I see there. Sorry, I just took and economics class and I try to look at every purchase in those terms now. Out of all the beans that have a rep for being sure fire killer dank those are the cheapest at that particular site.

 

[SnowWhite]

Hey Jerrry. Subscribed! Looking good man. That thai super skunk looks a little unruly! Your gonna need to tame that bitch in flower man. can't wait to see her go though. Should be worth it. And my BC look just like yours did a few weeks ago, short and squat. Looking forward to see them flowering too. Good luck mate, I'll be following along!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

OK nothing I would feel confident in recommending there is gonna be cheap. You can't lose with DJ Short, Serious, Soma, but honestly the best value still seems to be Subcool to me. I wouldn't look at it like you can get it cheaper somewhere else, that is true of anything. You have to look at your personal utility and the barriers to obtaining it for that cheaper cost. If you won't order from anywhere else then you shouldn't even factor in those prices. So the fact that Subcool is cheaper elsewhere doesn't change the fact that they are still the best genetics for the lowest price that I see there. Sorry, I just took and economics class and I try to look at every purchase in those terms now. Out of all the beans that have a rep for being sure fire killer dank those are the cheapest at that particular site.

LOL, I love the economic justification you gave!

The only reason I'm committed to ordering from attitude is that I've done it before successfully and I know what to expect (there's something to be said for that when you're about to drop a couple hundred bucks on some legally challenged merchandise...).

I guess another reason I am ordering from attitude is they accept credit cards. Hemp depot and breedbay both only take money orders, which adds an extra 2+ weeks to the process (provided it doesn't get lost in the mail on the way).

So the bottom line is I plan on obtaining some subcool genetics SOMETIME...Jack the Ripper and Agent Orange specifically...but the "economist" in me won't let me spend twice as much on something I can get for less somewhere else. It's not that I won't order from anywhere else...I just won't order from anywhere else this time.

TGA strains aside, I think I picked some good ones in the OG Kush, the Super Lemon Haze and the LSD. I may throw a single chiesel or something in there too (another perk of attitude...the pick n' mix).

Edit: Just saw your post about not ordering any greenhouse products...I don't have any experience them and I know you're growing out some of their stuff now...maybe I'll just get one Super Lemon Haze seed and more of something else?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Hey Jerrry. Subscribed! Looking good man. That thai super skunk looks a little unruly! Your gonna need to tame that bitch in flower man. can't wait to see her go though. Should be worth it. And my BC look just like yours did a few weeks ago, short and squat. Looking forward to see them flowering too. Good luck mate, I'll be following along!

Thanks Snow! The thai's have been getting a little out of control lately, but only one is a female so it isn't too big of a deal. I'm just gonna supercrop the hell out of it when it starts to outgrow my space (which I'm expecting to happen any second now...)

 

[jrk152]

Just read this from front to back and its looking real good
How long into 12/12 has it been?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Just read this from front to back and its looking real good
How long into 12/12 has it been?

Thanks for ready jrk!

The Blue Cheese and PPP have been in 12/12 for about 4 days...the Thai SS maybe a day or two longer. The topped bagseed plants have been in for about 5 or 6 weeks now...they aren't looking like anything special (probably because they were experimental and I neglected the shit out of them for a little while).

I've got some updated pics to post very soon...

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Well folks, there's been a lot going on so let's get everyone caught up. I finally purchased a Super Sun II air cooled reflector for my flower room and I LOVE it. It keeps temps manageable enough that I moved the Blue Cheeses, PPP and Thai Super Skunks over to begin flowering under some 400w HPS light. They've been there for a couple days now, and the Thai's have already shown sex (1 male 1 female).

I'm also about to place an order from the Attitude. I've been wavering terribly on what to get...so many strains look so appealing...but I think I've made my decision! I'm definitely getting the 6 pack of Reserva Privada OG Kush and a single Barney's Farm LSD fem seed. After mulling over Mared's economy 101 lecture this morning I decided to suck it up and get some TGA Jack the Ripper. I realized I want to make as few orders as possible, and rather than waiting another 6+ months to do it again I should just get it now. The beans are a little pricey on Attitude but at least I'll have them soon.

So to recap, OG Kush, LSD and Jack the Ripper. With this order I will be receiving 1 feminized seed from 5 different Dinafem strains...certainly not a selling point, but free quality genetics to play with nonetheless.

But enough about the future...lets focus on the here and now shall we?

We begin with the Female Thai Super Skunk. Unfortunately she is a little more scraggly than the male TSS, but what can you do? I don't think I'll clone this one...I've got three regular seeds left and I'm not too terribly impressed with the way this phenotype is growing. Plus it takes 14 weeks to flower...

Blue Cheese B. Still curling at the tips and getting a little yellow around the middle/lower leaves, but seems to be doing fine.

Blue Cheese A. A little less curly in the tips than B, but still curling some. After starting slowly she has caught up in height to Blue Cheese B (she's about 1" shorter).

Next the PPP. She is looking damn fine I must say. No leaf tip curl at all with this girl, so I'm thinking she is a little more resistant to the high temps.

Here's PPP Jr. Growing out nicely after being fimmed (though I still think I missed the proper fim point...which is quite the humorous concept)

Look, I finally got some pics of those damned topped Bagseed plants that have been flowering for about 5-6 weeks. One of them began to suffer some pretty significant light bleaching on the leaves around the top buds (and even bleached the calyxes) so she was kicked to the curb. I need the space in there anyway. The other one's are looking alright though...nothing to write home about, but look like they'll turn out to be alright smoke.

Finally, I got a group shot of everyone in the flower room in-situ. It is becoming quite the crowded jungle in there...

I didn't take any pics of the clones because they really don't look any different. So far I've confirmed root formation on both Blue Cheese A's and one Blue Cheese B...I'm confident the other Blue Cheese and the PPP will root in the next day or two.

So that's about it from Jerry's Bathroom Farm. I just tried to order those seeds from attitude over the phone and it turns out they are 5 hours ahead of the east coast, not 4 like I initially thought, meaning they are already gone for the day. So it looks I'll be placing that order in the morning...I'm still open to thoughts on good strains I should consider trying with this order!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Ha ha, I just realized I put the wrong date in the title of the last post...that update would be from August 31st (today) not July 31st...

 

[warisnottheanswer]

lookin good jerry! i was plannin on gettin jtr or pandoras box they look so tasty!

 

[mared juwan]

Looking good man. I like your seed choices. It's not that Green House was bad but if you are going through the whole ordeal of ordering seeds you can do better. Those cheapie Cannacopia strains I grow are a lot better than the Green House. I wouldn't pass up smoking some Green House buds if they were offered to me but the Cannacopia stuff is pure smoking ecstasy. Potency is maybe only slightly better but there is a connaseiur(sp?) type taste to the buds that is unmistakeable. The JTR and OG Kush should be the same. I don't know much about the LSD, looks pretty good.