Liberal lies about national health care: Bonus joe wilson edition!

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LIBERAL LIES ABOUT NATIONAL HEALTH CARE: BONUS JOE WILSON EDITION!
by Ann Coulter
September 16, 2009

I'm trying to get to the next installment of my Pulitzer Prize-deserving series on liberal lies about national health care, but apparently liberals have decided to torture us by neurotically fixating on one lie.

After President Barack Obama gave a speech to a joint session of Congress last week passionately defending his national health care plan, the Democrats were agog at the brilliance of the speech. Nancy Pelosi was so thrilled, her expression almost changed.

But as Obama ticked off one demonstrably false claim after another -- eliciting 37 standing ovations from the Democrats in the audience -- America's greatest living statesman, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., yelled out, "You lie!" in response to Obama's claim that the bill will not cover illegal aliens.

There are a number of theories about why America's greatest living statesman shouted "You lie!" at that juncture, but mine is that Wilson said it because Obama told a big, fat stinking lie.

Every single American knows it's a lie. But liberals take pleasure in repeating it -- and then condescendingly accusing anyone who doesn't accept their lie of being a toothless, illiterate racist.

Our politicians, media and courts have done everything they can to encourage illegal immigration, including obstinately refusing to enforce the border. While illegals streaming across the border generally aren't prosecuted, U.S. border patrol agents who naively try to guard the border often are.

Wise (and pregnant) Latinas dash across the border just in time to give birth at American hospitals -- medical services paid for by U.S. taxpayers -- gaining instant citizenship for their children, thereby entitling them to the entire Chinese menu of American welfare programs.

In 2004, 42.6 percent of all babies born at taxpayer expense in California were born to illegal aliens, according to a state report on Medi-Cal-funded deliveries. In hospitals close to the Mexican border, the figure is closer to 80 percent. Remember: This is before health care becomes "free" to every U.S. resident.

Hospitals across the country are going bankrupt because the federal government forces them to provide free services to illegals. This situation appears to have angered some segment of the population, in particular, American citizens who pay taxes to support the hospitals, but then are forced to spend hours writhing in pain in hospital waiting rooms.

With Americans in a boiling cauldron of rage about the government's impotent response to the tsunami of illegal immigrants, last year, both political parties ran candidates for president who favor amnesty for illegal immigrants.

And now Democrats have the audacity to tell us to our faces that national health care won't cover illegals. Not only that, but they tell us we must not be able to read if we think it does.

The crystalline example of this sneering liberal pomposity came from MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday night:


"Reading the House health care bill would show you that (the bill does not cover illegal aliens). But you know, sometimes reading is hard. Fortunately, in the case of the health reform bill, there is a way to get all of the information that's in it without any of that pesky reading.

"It's called HearTheBill.org. Volunteer voiceover actors have donated their time to read all 1,017 pages of the house health care reform bill, HR-3200, the America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009.

"So if you don't want to tire out your eyes, you could just listen to the thing that disproves (Rep. Wilson)."


Maddow then played an audio clip of Section 246 from the bill. This section, which liberals keep brandishing like a DNA-stained dress, states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

In other words, illegal aliens are excluded from precisely one section of the thousand-page, goodie-laden health care bill: Section 246, which distributes taxpayer-funded "affordability credits" to people who can't afford to pay for their own health care.

Even this minor restriction on taxpayer largesse to illegals will immediately be overturned by the courts. But the point is: Except for vouchers, the bill does not even pretend to exclude illegals from any part of national health care -- including the taxpayer-funded health insurance plan.

Moreover, liberals won't have to wait for some court to find that the words "nothing in this subtitle shall allow" means "this bill allows," because the bill contains no mechanism to ensure that the health care vouchers aren't going to illegal aliens. Nor does the bill prohibit the states from providing taxpayer-funded health care vouchers to illegals.

Democrats keep voting down Republican amendments that would insert these restrictions -- just before dashing to a TV studio to denounce anyone who says the health care bill covers illegal aliens.

It's as if we have a relative who shows up at every holiday gathering, gets bombed and totals the family car. At the 18th Christmas celebration, he's not only demanding a drink, but also calling us liars for saying he's already totaled 17 family cars. Gimme a gin and tonic and the car keys, you lying racist!

I think that's why America's greatest living statesman erupted with rage when Obama retailed this particular lie during his speech on health care.

It's bad enough to be lied to, but to be lied to by people who accuse us of not being able to read when the problem is that we can read -- and also can remember what happened at the last 17 family Christmases -- is more than even Mother Teresa could bear without a quick heckle.
 

Wavels

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It's as if we have a relative who shows up at every holiday gathering, gets bombed and totals the family car. At the 18th Christmas celebration, he's not only demanding a drink, but also calling us liars for saying he's already totaled 17 family cars. Gimme a gin and tonic and the car keys, you lying racist!
LOL...

That is the money quote!!!


I would very much like to see a critique of the above piece which does not include venomous ad hominems and assorted non substantive denouncements. For some reasons Ann brings the spittle and froth to the lips of “progressives” more dramatically than anyone else.
I wonder why???Hmmm???
:blsmoke:
 

redivider

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"Moreover, liberals won't have to wait for some court to find that the words "nothing in this subtitle shall allow" means "this bill allows," because the bill contains no mechanism to ensure that the health care vouchers aren't going to illegal aliens. Nor does the bill prohibit the states from providing taxpayer-funded health care vouchers to illegals."

that is an assumption, rather than a fact. won't have to wait for some court to find... it's not based on any actual FACT. it is a pure speculation. if individual states want to provide illegal aliens with health care go ahead. it's their choice.

no but wait, this is PRICELESS: let me get this straight. you want smaller government intervention, you want greater state autonomy, you want less regulation, but you want a FEDERAL bill to prohibit something that can be decided at a state level?? i call hypocrisy.


if that conservative douche bag could not keep his mouth shut it's a lack of respect, shows a lack of class, education, and maturity. you say that he exemplifies the conservative movement. i agree. goodbye.
 

NoDrama

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Rep Wilson said the wrong thing, by saying YOU lie, he comes off as attacking the president, what he should have said was " That's a Lie". He's ballsy.
 

redivider

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Rep Wilson said the wrong thing, by saying YOU lie, he comes off as attacking the president, what he should have said was " That's a Lie". He's ballsy.
what he should've said was nothing. it's a matter of respect for the elected leader of this country.

if he doesn't like what he's saying that's ok, but the MAJORITY of people elected him as the president, and he should've kept quiet during his speech.

afterwards he could've gone to complain to all the media outlets if he wanted, but during a speech by the elected leader....

i would like to know what would've been the backlash if someone would've screamed that during a bush speech... TREASON, CONTEMPT, ANTI-AMERICAN are the words that come to mind....

at least he had the sense to apologize. it was a mistake and he knows better for next time.
 

Parker

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what he should've said was nothing. it's a matter of respect for the elected leader of this country.

if he doesn't like what he's saying that's ok, but the MAJORITY of people elected him as the president, and he should've kept quiet during his speech.

afterwards he could've gone to complain to all the media outlets if he wanted, but during a speech by the elected leader....

i would like to know what would've been the backlash if someone would've screamed that during a bush speech... TREASON, CONTEMPT, ANTI-AMERICAN are the words that come to mind....

at least he had the sense to apologize. it was a mistake and he knows better for next time.
Was the American public more outraged at Wilson or Bushes shoe thrower?
 

SDSativa

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Liberals constantly attacked Bush during his speeches. And not one of them has ever apologized. Hypocrites. I don't care though. we're supposed to have debate in this country. I don't know why it is such a big deal. The only thing that speech did was push people even further away from Obamacare. That was clearly a partisan speech. He attacked those who disagreed with him, then spat out lie after lie. I'm surprised he was the only one to say anything.
 

fitch303

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if he doesn't like what he's saying that's ok, but the MAJORITY of people elected him as the president, and he should've kept quiet during his speech.
There were 60 million votes for Obama, our country has over 300 million people so roughly 20% of people voted him in which is not the majority. hmmm how else can I twist this around for my benefit.
 

redivider

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Liberals constantly attacked Bush during his speeches. And not one of them has ever apologized. Hypocrites. I don't care though. we're supposed to have debate in this country. I don't know why it is such a big deal. The only thing that speech did was push people even further away from Obamacare. That was clearly a partisan speech. He attacked those who disagreed with him, then spat out lie after lie. I'm surprised he was the only one to say anything.
show me a single instance of someone publicly interrupting Bush during his address to congress... not a press conference...

if you can find the footage i would love to see it...


it's true, the electoral college voted for obama... my mistake...

either way he won the election... he had the popular vote and the electoral vote... so discussing this is pointless...

AND the shoe thrower deserves a Nobel Peace Prize....
 

hookbills

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He told the truth but said it in the wrong forum. obama will get around giving free health care to illegals by granting them amnesty. It is an end around way to get more democrat voters. And before anybody says s I did not agree with any other president granting amnesty to them either. There are ways to legally enter this nation. Use them or loose the possibility of ever immigration no exceptions the one strike rule

Rep Wilson said the wrong thing, by saying YOU lie, he comes off as attacking the president, what he should have said was " That's a Lie". He's ballsy.
 
Wow, incredible how people seem to have forgotten the W years.

It was not so long ago when he and Ted K. teamed up to propose amnesty for those hated illegals. Funny thing is that most people complaining about the "illegals" have ancestors who came to America without proper documentation or dare I say illegally.

btw, nobody finds it kind of weird that on a marijuana forum, someone is quoting ann coulter to further their opinion? I don't like to lecture other people on what they put into their bodies but you coulter fans have to lay off the crystal meth.

http://townhall.com/columnists/AnnCoulter/2000/10/03/dont_do_drug_legalization
 

SDSativa

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