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showhard2handle

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simpsamp, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate your time. I have a PH tester, just a cheapy that I bought online. Do you think that might be sufficient, or is PH one of those absolutely critical variables that you need to cough up a bill or two for the really good ones? I'm assuming for a newb, grow I'll be fine w/ the cheapy. Quick question, I found a fairly simple hydro system online. 20 gal. reservior, w/ 6 sites for 3" netted pots. Top feed drippers. Main question: what type of quality should you expect from a yield in a teeny 3" netted pot. Hopefully, I'm dead wrong, but wouldn't those ladies need more than that small amount of space? No need to transplant to a larger ebb & flow or something? Again, I thank you for your feedback & would really appreciate any & all comments. I really want to make a move to procure my gear (this drip system, or the flow trays I mentioned in the first). Just need to hear your thoughts on the 3" pots. Thanks homey!! Lastly, should I cough up some dough for some flou's to get the seedlings started, or should I be fine running the HPS. Alright, sorry, one more. You mentioned that the mh bulb would not be as efficient & perhaps I could run the hps the entire time. Is the mh not better for the early stages? For future reference, on non-auto's would a mh be better for veg growth. So sorry, really really lastly, what's your opinion on hps bulbs. How important are the "lux" brand bulbs (approx.$100), compared to the $20 ones. Sure ya get what you pay for, but whats the deal. What type of bulb do you use if you don't mind? Thanks a ton again for everything!!
 

simpsonsampson420

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If I were to take some auto flower/marijuana hybrid seedlings which turn out to be male, and pollinate a non-auto flowering strain that i have flowering (like bubblegum), would the seeds produced carry the auto flower trait as a dominate trait in the offspring. Or is auto flowering only achieved by directly pollinating from ruderalis with a non auto flowering marijuana female plant?
if you take an auto flower and mix with a non auto, i am sure some of the auto traits would be passed along... depending on how much dominance is passed on will depend on how much of the auto traits are passed.. it may take some back crossing with the original auto male to achieve a really good auto trait.. but it can be done.. i just cant promise that all of the first gen off springs would be identical and have similar traits.. some may have more auto than not and visa versa.. it may take a few gens before it becomes stable..

i am not really on solid ground when it comes to genetics.. i know enough to get by.. but not enough to become a breeder myself... i hope the answer helped out tho..

I have a question. can someone go a little more in depth about how to trim plants during veg period? I'm not familiar with the terms yet and its a little confusing.https://www.rollitup.org/tags/questions.html
trimming is a no no.. well at least in my book.. the only time i remove any foliage on my own is if it is over 50% damaged or if i am lollipopping my plant... and with that i will tell you the terms and ways to prune your girl...

lollipopping - just because i mentioned it already.. this is done at the end of vegg beginning of flowering... the idea is to remove the lower 1/4 to 1/3 of the plant (at the main stalk) so that the plant concentrates on making larger buds where the lighting is best, rather than waste energy making little buds at the bottom of the plant that wont amount to much in the end at all... imagine a lollipop on a stick and thats somewhat what the plant is like... bare lower stem.. filled out top..

LST - low stress training.. basically it is tieing branches as they grow out in a way to maximize lighting... you are training your plant to grow how you want it to grow... i copied a picture that shows the basic idea.. but there is no right or wrong way when it comes to how you tie it..

topping - topping is simply cutting the top of your plant off, or any shoot that comes off the main stem, 1 or 2 internodes down... internodes are where branches extend from the main stem... so count 1 or 2 sets of branches down an cut it off... this will produce two buds at the site instead of one... or, if done early in veg, will branch the plant into 2 at that point..

FIMing - FIM (fuck, I missed) is similar to topping but much less stressful on the plant.. instead of cutting the top through the stem, you remove some (ideally about 80%) of the newest growth at the very end of the stem or branch... if you look at the branch tips you can see where all the growth grows out from... if you remove the growth bud (not a flower bud... just the nub where all the new growth is) that is there you end up with the same affect as topping.... you can cut or pinch it off.. either way.. i like pinching.. the uneveness tends to give a better possibility of more than 2 tops.. i would post pics of how to do it (its hard to explain the growth nub thing) but im flowering.. ill try to get some up next veg period tho.. which doesnt help now..

SOG - sea of green is basically just growing a bunch of small plants, such as clones that are straight into 12/12... this allows for a lot of smaller plants in an area... which means you dont have to veg them out at all.. which means a faster turn around..

Scrog - this is growing with a screen over the top of the plants.. as the branches grow through the screen you weave them back through the screen so that eventually the entire screen is covered... this will, in the end, give you only colas that grow through the screen...

super cropping - super cropping is easiest... its my personal favorite pruning technique.. to do it you simply squeeze the stem between your finger and thumb until you feel it give.. then turn your hands 90 degrees and do the same.. this will allow the stem above the point to bend over.. the reason you do this is that the growth below that point will start pushing upwards..

i think thats about it.. any other questions just ask.. oh.. and these all should be done during veg or no later than 2 weeks into flower...

I have very hard water where I live and I do not have a way to test solids in my water. Any suggestions as to using distilled or spring water would be appreciated. I am running a DWC hydro setup. Please let me know what works for you. Thanks!
i would go with distilled over spring water.. spring water may contain minerals and the such.. distilled or reverse osmosis (RO preferably) are the best to use...

Germinating:
When germinating your seeds do you prefer to plant them as soon as the seed pops and is showing some root or do you think the tap root should be allowed to develope for 24 hrs or so?
when i grew soil i soaked the seed in water for 24 hours, and then put it straight into dirt in a dixie cup.. i then watered the soil until it was saturated and let it go... i put it about 1/4 to 1/2 inch down..

with the hydro setup i have i do the same thing.. except instead of soil i put the soaked seed into a rockwool cube or root riot cube..

if you are paper towling it, i would suggest letting the tap develope a little bit... 1/4" is plenty...

You are the best in my book. Not just your knowledge, but your positve attitude. :)
I've been following the golden rule of TELL NOONE about your grow, so it's fun to have someone to chat with. Also, getting lots of helpful advise has made all the difference this time around. I tried taking some pics myself and had some of the same difficulties you did with color rendition, etc. I didn't use a microscope but rather the macro setting on my camera. Some were not half bad. I'll post soon. Would like to get your comment.



Later.
just let me know when they are up bro!! be happy to check em out..

simpsamp, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate your time. I have a PH tester, just a cheapy that I bought online. Do you think that might be sufficient, or is PH one of those absolutely critical variables that you need to cough up a bill or two for the really good ones? I'm assuming for a newb, grow I'll be fine w/ the cheapy. Quick question, I found a fairly simple hydro system online. 20 gal. reservior, w/ 6 sites for 3" netted pots. Top feed drippers. Main question: what type of quality should you expect from a yield in a teeny 3" netted pot. Hopefully, I'm dead wrong, but wouldn't those ladies need more than that small amount of space? No need to transplant to a larger ebb & flow or something? Again, I thank you for your feedback & would really appreciate any & all comments. I really want to make a move to procure my gear (this drip system, or the flow trays I mentioned in the first). Just need to hear your thoughts on the 3" pots. Thanks homey!! Lastly, should I cough up some dough for some flou's to get the seedlings started, or should I be fine running the HPS. Alright, sorry, one more. You mentioned that the mh bulb would not be as efficient & perhaps I could run the hps the entire time. Is the mh not better for the early stages? For future reference, on non-auto's would a mh be better for veg growth. So sorry, really really lastly, what's your opinion on hps bulbs. How important are the "lux" brand bulbs (approx.$100), compared to the $20 ones. Sure ya get what you pay for, but whats the deal. What type of bulb do you use if you don't mind? Thanks a ton again for everything!!
if going with hydro a good ph meter is a must... if the ph is off your plants will experince nute lock out... so unless you are going with soil, spending the money on a good ph meter and ec/ppm meter is important..

the net pots are used just to hold the plant.. the roots grow out of the nets downwards... believe me when i say you dont need to worry about root size or quality when it comes to this... a 3" pot with the setup you said will more than give you a huge root system and a very quality plant...

the HPS is ok to germ if you want.. just keep it a distance aways.. floros are much easier and forgiving tho...

MH is good for veg.. and hps is good for flowering.. but hps can be used straight through.. and puts off much less heat... the choice is yours if you want to use the MH.. just make sure you have a digital ballast that can run either bulb if or a conversion ballast/bulb...

same with the autos.. you can use MH to veg.. but will want to switch to hps for flower.. so starting with hps makes sense.. it really is up to the grower..

the brand of bulb you get doesnt matter... horticulture bulbs put off a lower K rating than regular hps bulbs you get from lowes or home depot.. so you can get some benefits from that.. but the actual brand or horti. bulb you get wont matter.. i use optilume hps bulbs myself.. they work great... and are about 20 to 30 less than lux bulbs...


thanks simpson on the input about the bulbs you saved me a couple of bucks, because the standard 400watt hps bulb was free and the hortilux 400watt hps bulb is like 90.00 bucks.
gotta love saving money!! glad to help
 

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showhard2handle

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Sampson, you are the man. Thanks so much for the info. I'll go ahead & get the pricey PH tester, & will proceed with the system using 3" pots. I can't tell you how much more @ ease I am after having an OG advise on exact set up. Orderin gear as we speak. I probably will be back within in a week or so w/ more questions & would love to post pics to see if you have any pointers. Would love to have those af's ready for the new year.

You rock, thanks again for your time & MOST importantly for breakin off all these crucial points for us newbs gettin started.

If you don't mind, what AF strain would you start with?

You the man!
 

simpsonsampson420

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please post pics when you can.. i would love to check things out.. and feel free to ask away...

as far as autos go here is a link to a ton http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/auto-flowering-seeds/cat_43.html i personally would get the ak-47 x blueberry mix... that sounds the best to me... two very good strains mixed into 1 with auto abilities... thats actually what i think i am going to get when i get my set up expanded and start my new grow... long story.. but ill have a ton of autos and regular strains going at the same time..
 

showhard2handle

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Right on, I was gonna go w/ something in the AK family.
When you have a sec, could you check the link below for a system I am looking at. I believe this would be much easier to access the reservoir to change water (how often do you suggest changing water in hydro systems?) As opposed to system I asked about last night, where the pots are attached to the lid of a large plastic tote essentially. The v-drip also has larger 4.5" pots!!
For real, this should be the last questions I have until the system is delivered (I'll be back!!) Thanks for all of your time & awesome non-snobbby attitude. http://shop.v-drip.com (/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=V16http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250484552022&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNAFP:US:1123 (dripper on top of tote)
 

simpsonsampson420

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Right on, I was gonna go w/ something in the AK family.
When you have a sec, could you check the link below for a system I am looking at. I believe this would be much easier to access the reservoir to change water (how often do you suggest changing water in hydro systems?) As opposed to system I asked about last night, where the pots are attached to the lid of a large plastic tote essentially. The v-drip also has larger 4.5" pots!!
For real, this should be the last questions I have until the system is delivered (I'll be back!!) Thanks for all of your time & awesome non-snobbby attitude. http://shop.v-drip.com (/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=V16http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250484552022&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNAFP:US:1123 (dripper on top of tote)
the second would be a lot easier to change out for sure.. but the first one (from the other day... 6 site) wouldnt be that hard really.. you dont have to remove the lid completely.. just push it off to the side a little... either way dont worry about pot size.. it really wont make much difference in the setup like that.. you'll still get amazing results..

as far as changing the res out, it should be done weekly... you can get away with every 2 weeks.. but you'll need to add nute solution to top it off in between times.. more than likely you'll have to add to it either way...

you can either add plain water to just top it off.. or you can add new nute solution (mixed like the normal way you would) to top it off.. either way is fine.. if you add new nute solution tho you can get away with longer in between full changes... you'll want to check ph daily tho.. and your ppm/ec every couple days.. just to make sure things are in line with how they should be...

Amazing post!!!! Thank you so much.
I'm wondering if anyone has some pics of over watering and under watering??
Thanks in advance
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P.S. My upper leaves are sagging. :( Ebb and flow system watering for 10 minutes every 3 hours.

that is a pretty heavy watering schedule bro... try to cut it back to 10 minutes every 5 hours.. or even 15 minutes every 6 hours.. that should take care of your sagging issue... bongsmilie
 

showhard2handle

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Ahh, I thank you again. I know feel confident enough to order gear. I should be straight (that means w/ out needing to further pick your noodle) for @ least a week or two, ha. For real, thanks for all the sage advice. My only last query in parting is as to what type of nutes you might advise. I am just a bit overwhelmed @ the shear quantity of so many different types. And of course everyone says theirs is the shiz. Aplologies if this is poor form (I read a thread where some schlubb was giving someone grief over b/c they advised a particular brand name to someone), but what would you reccomend? Do I need to do anything different as far as less than full strength solutions for the first few weeks, etc.? I have some instructions about the importance of nute flushing (assuming everything goes to plan) 1 week before harvest. Aside from that, my main concern is when to know when the auto's need the juice & what strength they should be. Thank you KINDly again for everything! Your time & help is invaluable.
 

simpsonsampson420

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there are a ton of brands out there... but i will make this very simple..

first you want to get a 3 part system.. 1 with a grow, bloom, and micro supplement.. these are the best.. you can almost be assured you will have no issues with any deficiencies or burn using them.. assuming that nothing goes horribly wrong..

as far as brands here are, in my opinion, the 4 i would choose from.. in no specific order, general hydroponics, fox farm, advanced nutes, or technaflora (their BC line).. i have used the technaflora before, and am currently using general hydroponics... all of them have excellent lines... so you cant go wrong.. i believe they all have a chemical and organic line... depending on your preference.. i personally prefer chemical lines.. but thats just me..

each also offers a ton of supplements and additives... for instance here is what i use;

GH 3 part flora series - contains a grow, bloom, and micro formula

GH floralicious grow and bloom - these are additives used during their respective cycle.. helps boost everything..

GH floral nectar - adds carbs to the plants needed for energy.. helps swell flowers and adds density and causes extra sugar production (i.e more resin).. used throughout the grow

GH diamond nectar - this is a humic acid additive.. it helps the plant deal with shock, stress, and allows it to absorb and use more nutes..

GH koolbloom (both liquid and dry) - used during flowering at different times (liquid to begin, dry at the end.. its water soluable so dont worry) to stimulate over all flower production and size... it works great..

and Subculture B - its a root zone protector... helps the roots grow strong and fight off shit.. i may or may not use it again.. not sure yet...


each of the brands pretty much has similar products... its just a matter of what sounds like it will work best for you and how much you want to spend.. if you dont want to spend as much you can always get a 2 part system.. these are second best.. but work well.. no micro formula.. so you may have to add cal-mag or some other calcium/iron/magnesium supplement...

stay away from all purpose feeds... they arent worth the time and can cause burn/deficiencies if not used right..

you want to start out with a 1/4 strength solution... after that you can increase the amount.. its hard to give you specifics because each brand is different, and if you use a 2 or 3 part system it will change also... but if you make a decision i can probably help you get a feeding chart that works well done up for you.. just let me know...
 

spesh123

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hey peeps just wondering do uz have the fan running when light on all the time and how about when lights are off?
cheers peeps
 

simpsonsampson420

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i keep my fans running all the time... its a little over kill for sure... but i like to keep a ton of air circulation and ventilation going all the time.. but really, if you have them come on 30 to 45 minutes before lights on and have them go for 30 to 45 minutes after lights out its fine.. as long as you have some sort of fan moving air around within the grow room, like an oscilating fan..
 
just for the fun of typing BUMP bongsmilie
The space heater is working out well. A little later I bought a humidifier also because CO is VERY dry. I think the cold shock a week or so ago slowed the growth for a while. They seem to be doing better. I'm hoping the humidity helps. Do you think it will? Do you humidify? Probably not so much need in the midwest. My wife and family are from Des Moines so I've experienced it. Also, what's this bubble hash everyone is talking about? Is it hard to do? Thanks Simpson!
 

simpsonsampson420

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just wondering if you had any tips on pruning, i need to keep them small
if you are wanting to keep small plants, but get a good yield, check into LST (low stress training) and super cropping.. either of those followed up with some FIMing and lollipopping will give you short plants with higher yields...

now i am going to fight the instinct that says i should explain more in depth these things... so if you want more info feel free to ask and ill break it down..

The space heater is working out well. A little later I bought a humidifier also because CO is VERY dry. I think the cold shock a week or so ago slowed the growth for a while. They seem to be doing better. I'm hoping the humidity helps. Do you think it will? Do you humidify? Probably not so much need in the midwest. My wife and family are from Des Moines so I've experienced it. Also, what's this bubble hash everyone is talking about? Is it hard to do? Thanks Simpson!
large flucations in temps can cause growth to slow.. so you may be right there... and your right about humidifying.. i have very little issue with that here.. it usually hangs in the area of 45 to 60 percent humidity.. which works out well...

bubble hash is more a method of making hash than anything.. it involves taking your trimmings and mixing with ice water and running through bags with varrying microns... the smaller the micron the more "pure" the hash.. the bags (called bubble bags, hence the name) are about 350.00 for a set.. actually i just found this link.. http://www.hashbag.com/ they are cheaper and explain how its made and everything.. should help out more... but in my opinion its the best hash you can make..

first of all simpson your a big help very indepth answers we newbies need that, how long into the cure will that great smell we all know and love come back to the buds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you dry the buds slowly, and cure them slowly, it should take about 1 to 2 weeks to achieve optimum smell.. the grassy smell i think you are smelling is trapped chlorophyll that hasnt been converted yet... sometimes the outsides of the buds dry to quickly and you dont get the smell until you actually open the buds.. but about a week after curing starts the smell should be there all the time...
 

peteyp

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Hi
(geez wish I was)
Took your advice, I have 2 plants approx. 2 feet in height, I noticed 1st flower, looked like a bunch of leaves all bunched up, but I noticed on one of the plants, it's bending right below it, is the stem going to grow through this? Should I be removing the first flower, I was going to take a picture, but I through I would ask 1st/
 

simpsonsampson420

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Hi
(geez wish I was)
Took your advice, I have 2 plants approx. 2 feet in height, I noticed 1st flower, looked like a bunch of leaves all bunched up, but I noticed on one of the plants, it's bending right below it, is the stem going to grow through this? Should I be removing the first flower, I was going to take a picture, but I through I would ask 1st/
i sent answered your pm.. please post a pic.. that would be ultra helpful!

fantastic post and very very helpful, thank you
glad to have helped out.. feel free to ask any questions if you have any..

please explain, i'm new to this. ty
alright.. we'll start with the two largest impactors, super cropping and LST...

SOG and Scrog as styles of grow... SOG, or sea of green, refers to a grow in which the are many small plants.. this is usually many straight to 12/12 clones that are in smaller containers.. the idea is that the high numbers make up for the lower yield per plant..

Scrog, or screen of green, is a little different.. this is where a screen, such as chicken wire, is stretched over the canopy of the plants.. as the branches grow through the screen they are trained back through it, so eventually the screen is covered in branches that have trained in and out of the screen... this causes many single branches to push through the top of the screen during flowering, causing many colas... if that makes sense.. another link with some more info that should help... http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/scrogorama.htm

LST... LST, or low stress training, is more training than pruning.. you tie branches in ways to open the center up to more light into the canopy and keep the plant lower, thus increase canopy size and the amount of light the plant actually gets... here is a link with a description and pictures http://www.420magazine.com/forums/frequently-asked-questions/59279-brief-guide-lst.html there are a lot of ways you can tie your plant and train it to grow.. if you decide to try this out, start with what you see in the link, and experiment from then on.. get a basics for it and then let yourself have fun!

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now super cropping.. this is my personal favorite... it is quick and easy.. very little recoup time for the plant if any.. and gets AMAZING results.. in order to super crop you select a spot on the main stem (i'll explain how to select the spot in a minute).. once you have your spot you gently squeeze the stem between your thumb and pointer finger until you feel it give.. then, in the same spot, you rotate your hand 90 degrees and squeeze again... this should make it so the stem bends over where you pinched.. you simply let it bend over and waa-laa, you super cropped..

what does this do you ask.. well it basically fools the plant into thinking it has no top to it.. and all the growth below the point you sc pushes upwards.. so all of a sudden all the lower branches are growing upwards with the actually top of the plant, that does correct itself in a couple days.. it actually causes the spot to swell and strength up a lot... so when you decide to super crop you want to pick a spot in above where you want the rest of the plant to push up from.. i hope that makes sense..

for example, lets say you super crop exactly half way up the stem.. everything below that point will start to push upwards towards the light.. as the top begins to upright itself, it ends up being almost an even canopy with multiple tops.. think similar to a bonzi tree...

super cropping can be done multiple times to multiple branches.. so once you have done it a couple times, understand how it works, and feel comfortable with what you are doing, you can do it many times all over a your plants to cause a very short and bushy plant with many many tops.

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now those are done throughout the veg cycle... LST is an ongoing thing until flowering.. super cropping can be done as many times as you want, as many times as the plant uprights itself...

these next things can be done whenever, but are most effective about 1 week before to about 2 weeks into flowering... **try to have them done before 2 weeks of flowering for best results**

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topping - i dont like topping because it is one of the more stressful ways of pruning.. but it is cutting the top of the plant off, usually above the 2nd or 3rd node set.. this causes the spot above to split off into 2 different tops... thus causing 2 top colas...



FIMing - it stands for Fuck, I missed.. its similar to topping.. but i much prefer over topping.. it is less stressful to the plant.. and can easily cause more than 2 tops... this may be slighty hard to explain.. but i'll do my best.. at the end of each branch is a spot where all new growth comes out of.. call it a new growth bud... you may have to pull some of the newly sprouting fan leaves to get to it.. but its there... now basically the idea is to remove about 80% of this new growth bud... you can do it 2 ways... 1, you can cut it off.. simply take scissors and snip it.. the second way is just to pinch it off.. this i like the best.. i think the unevenness of lends itself to the possibility of having more than 2 tops form... there is a chance if you dont get down low enough there may only be one top.. so you may have to try it a couple times until you figure out how low you need to be when you do it...



i think that pretty much covers it all.. if you want more details on anything.. or are still confused.. please ask..
 

valoyossa

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so I'm brand new at this and your information was so much more helpful than anything else I've found so THANK YOU! but, I have a question, I am considering growing for more personal use but I don't have much start up money at the moment. I understand that you get what you put into it but I'm dreaming on a budget. Do you have any suggestions for cheaper lights and a less extreme version of odor control? I've smoked plenty in my apartment so I think someone would've commented on the smell but is it completely over-powering or can it be contained in one apartment? (I have a large closet that I'm planning on using for my growing space) I have a bunch of kush seeds that I'm planning on germinating (I'm sure different strains smell stronger than others). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
 

simpsonsampson420

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so I'm brand new at this and your information was so much more helpful than anything else I've found so THANK YOU! but, I have a question, I am considering growing for more personal use but I don't have much start up money at the moment. I understand that you get what you put into it but I'm dreaming on a budget. Do you have any suggestions for cheaper lights and a less extreme version of odor control? I've smoked plenty in my apartment so I think someone would've commented on the smell but is it completely over-powering or can it be contained in one apartment? (I have a large closet that I'm planning on using for my growing space) I have a bunch of kush seeds that I'm planning on germinating (I'm sure different strains smell stronger than others). Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
welcome to RIU and to the growing scene..

there is nothing wrong with dreaming on a budget.. the nice thing about growing is you can always add to your setup.. if you want to be cost effective with lighting in the beginning use CFLs... the spiral lights... a good number to go by would be 3 to 4 x 24w (http://www.amazon.com/FSS-BlueMax-Sunset-24w-CFL/dp/B0010XRBLC) cfls per plant.. ideally you would want a mix of cool and warm bulbs.. if you can only find one kind tho thats ok.. if you can afford larger ones (bigger than 24w) thats all the better... they also have y-splitters that allow you to run 2 bulbs off 1 socket.. those come in handy so if you can find them get them.. it'll cut down on the cords you have to run and have hanging around... also.. make sure you keep them as close as you can to the plants.. you dont have to in the beginning.. but once the sprout starts to grow move them in close.. the closer the better.. cfls work ok, but dont put off near the light as an HID or other types of floros.. so keeping them close is going to be key..

as far as odor.. if you only have 1 or 2 plants it should be a big deal.. but if you are worried check into something like this http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?t=prod&sku=OPG600&AC=1 or http://www.wormsway.com/detail.aspx?sku=OBLP606&AC=1
 
bubble hash is more a method of making hash than anything.. it involves taking your trimmings and mixing with ice water and running through bags with varrying microns... the smaller the micron the more "pure" the hash.. the bags (called bubble bags, hence the name) are about 350.00 for a set.. actually i just found this link.. http://www.hashbag.com/ they are cheaper and explain how its made and everything.. should help out more... but in my opinion its the best hash you can make..
Thanks I checked out hashbag.com and that explained a lot. Much simpler than I expected. Will get some when the cash flow improves. In the mean time I'll save the trimmings. But I'm wondering .... Trimming from veg cycle or just flowering? Stem or just leaves? Would cutting stuff up with a food processor help with the extraction? Is it worth keeping the collection from the bags other than the finest micron one (for eating or something)? Is the presser important? Plus anything else you can think of. Peace and happiness!
 

simpsonsampson420

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Thanks I checked out hashbag.com and that explained a lot. Much simpler than I expected. Will get some when the cash flow improves. In the mean time I'll save the trimmings. But I'm wondering .... Trimming from veg cycle or just flowering? Stem or just leaves? Would cutting stuff up with a food processor help with the extraction? Is it worth keeping the collection from the bags other than the finest micron one (for eating or something)? Is the presser important? Plus anything else you can think of. Peace and happiness!
1) just use trimmings from flowering... and only the trimmings you see resin glads (trichromes) on... you can save everything else for honey oil if you so choose...

2) the first time i made bubble hash i pulverized the trimmings in a coffee grinder... it actually turn the hash a green color from the chlorophyll.. so i would say just cut everything up, by hand, the best you can, maybe even let it dry out a little, and just mix and aggitate the water well.. adding a bunch of ice helps out a lot also.. mix until the ice melts..

3) i personally would only run the the trimmings through the first two, maybe 3 bags.. the last bag takes FOREVER to drain.. and the 3rd bag even is bad... it just depends on your patience level..

4) i would save anything after you are done.. it isnt worth it...
 

mr773

Active Member
OK Simpson i will try and make this a great and challenging question, what strain is the most potent, what stain gives the best yeild, and what strain has both qualities and give the seed company??????????????
 

simpsonsampson420

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alright.... i will give you the best answer i can...

as far as potentcy goes.... well... there are a lot of strains in the 20+% of thc... super lemon haze by greenhouse, killawatt by seedism, and sacra frasca by dutch passion (not 100% sure this strain is 20% or more.. but its close) are a few i can name off the top of my head...

yield is another that has a ton of options... a good rule is look for strains that are crossed with skunk or power plant or big bud... they arent as potent as other strains.. but their yield is high..

now.. for a combonation of the two you will have to do some research... and here is why... the goal for every breeder is to have a high yielding, high potency strain... so there are a TON to choose from.. to help narrow the search a little tho, i can tell you this... green house seeds, which was found by arjan, is known for having super potent, high yielding strains.. thats pretty much his thing... he tries to breed strains that are going to yield extremely heavy, while also being extremely potent... i am growing a super lemon haze right now.. and damn.. it smells like a super sweet lemon.. is frosted like flakes... and is amazing at how much its yielding... his strains are almost all sativa/indica mixes... he tries to get the potency of the sativa, and the flower time of the indica... seems to work well.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFZ-xHId1c thats a video i just made of my current grow... it shows the slh in it.. and a few other strains.. may help you out...

a couple other strains i am growing the seem to yield VERY well are sagamartha's matanuska tundra and (i believe) dutch passions blueberry.. i know its a blueberry.. just cant remember breeder..

http://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.uk/ the link there is too the attitude.. if you spend enough time on RIU you are sure to come across that name more than a few times.. IMO it is the best seed bank out there.. it carries like 15 or 20 different breeders... and TONS of strains.. you can spend hours browsing on there looking at all the options.. some strains are famous, like serious seeds ak-47... some are breeders specials, like greenhouses' super arjans haze... but you should find what you want on there...

also... another piece of advice.. typically sativas are more potent than indicas due to their extended flowering times.. so keep in mind, the more sativa the stronger the stone, but the longer the flowering time...

if you have any more questions feel free to ask! hopefully i have pointed you in the right direction..
 
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