Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
I agree, Mostly Crazy, the pH in Flowering should be 6.2 to 6.5 in Flowering.
Roseman's DIY Bubbleponics Tutorial
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Someguy15
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What led you to this conclusion? I've heard so much back and forth. Props to your grow ways, never seen anyone pull off the CFLs quite like you can.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
I 've done a 18/6 and I did a graduation from starting at 24/7 and reducing an hour a day, down to 18/6 and it is just a large major waste of time.
If you try both, and take notes, you will agree, 24/7 is best.
Take a poll, I did. 24/7 won.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
QUESTIONS will be answered here about
YOUR Bubbleponics grow:
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and QUESTIONS about this grow are of course, answered here.
YOUR Bubbleponics grow:
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and QUESTIONS about this grow are of course, answered here.
Roseman, I appreciate you sharing your experiments with us. I have read all 61 pages over the course of a few days, and also got a little high too..
Somewhere along the lines I missed out on the height of the plants when you induce flowering. I know that you said in 23 days you can have a 23 inch plant. And I remember you said that you vegged around 5 weeks.. so do you just go by length of time..and consider it more mature? or did you flower at a certain height?
Thanks again.
p.s. I really hope this question falls in the guidelines of the thread.
Somewhere along the lines I missed out on the height of the plants when you induce flowering. I know that you said in 23 days you can have a 23 inch plant. And I remember you said that you vegged around 5 weeks.. so do you just go by length of time..and consider it more mature? or did you flower at a certain height?
Thanks again.
p.s. I really hope this question falls in the guidelines of the thread.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
jnuggs, jerkin247,If a grower has ample height space, he should VEG his plants until they are mature plants, until they have grown to be adults. Normally, the first 3 to 4 weeks of Vegging Indica, all new leaves appear with opposing leaves. Every new leaf has a new leaf exactly and precisely across from it. When the plant becomes an adult and is mature, it will start making alternating leaves, staggered, one up from the other. This is a sign of the plant's maturity. Although most growers do it, You can't and shouldn't really determine when to start 12/12 by HEIGHT. My Northern Light strain gets much taller than say a Lowryder strain. I see many growers start 12/12 at 12 inches tall, 18 inches tall, 24 inches tall etc, but that is not the wisest way to determine when to start 12/12, unless you have a small grow space with limited height. It is always best to start 12/12 when your plants are grown up, instead of making babies have babies.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
Let me re-post Post # 330 here:
WHEN DO I START 12/12 FLOWERING CYCLE?
The longer the VEG cycle, the more the yield. Consider this, in nature, outdoors, we plant a seed in mid to late April. It grows through April, May, June, July, and in mid to late July, as the sun's rays change, the plant naturally changes from VEG to FLOWER, with the diminishing sun's rays. That is nature's way. The plant grows and matures to an adult plant for about 3 to 4 months. THEN, it makes flowers. That is nature's way. Indoors, in HYDRO with feeder tubes, we cut that time in half, by using 24/7 LIGHT. instead of 3 months, or 13 weeks, it takes about 5 to 6 weeks to become a mature plant in HYDRO, with 24/7 LIGHT. Pot plants growing as young plants, make what we call nodes, or a set of two leaves, one directly across form the other. When a pot plant is mature, it will make new leaves one at a time, not directly across from an other leaf, but staggered. OK, also in nature, in addition to plants, we see animals and humans reproduce at maturity or adulthood. If a human, (or dog or any animal) is forced to make babies before maturity, like getting a 12 yr old girl pregnant, or a dog in her very first heat, then the babies are weak, or runts, or deformed, and just not at their best.A dude here, a most experienced, knowledgable grower named fdd2blk (and a MOD here too) taught me a long time ago, that it does not make sense, it is not wise, it is not logical, to make a child have a child, and it is not wise or smart or logical to make an immature baby plant, have babies. LET THE BABIES GROW AND LET THE ADULTS MAKE BABIES.If you will VEG for 5 weeks, to 6 weeks, you will have more time for proper TOPPING, PRUNING, AND FIMMING, and you'll get bigger plants, a much larger yield, and you will also have a mature adult plant, ready to make healthy, stronger babies (flowers) .If you begin Indica Flowering, after VEGGING 3 or 4 weeks, you will harvest about 60% to 75% of what you would have harvested, IF you had waited and VEGGED for 5 or 6 full weeks.This info applies to rapid growing in Hydro, and to Indica strains. NOT slowly in SOIL, and NOT Sativa.
WHEN DO I START 12/12 FLOWERING CYCLE?
The longer the VEG cycle, the more the yield. Consider this, in nature, outdoors, we plant a seed in mid to late April. It grows through April, May, June, July, and in mid to late July, as the sun's rays change, the plant naturally changes from VEG to FLOWER, with the diminishing sun's rays. That is nature's way. The plant grows and matures to an adult plant for about 3 to 4 months. THEN, it makes flowers. That is nature's way. Indoors, in HYDRO with feeder tubes, we cut that time in half, by using 24/7 LIGHT. instead of 3 months, or 13 weeks, it takes about 5 to 6 weeks to become a mature plant in HYDRO, with 24/7 LIGHT. Pot plants growing as young plants, make what we call nodes, or a set of two leaves, one directly across form the other. When a pot plant is mature, it will make new leaves one at a time, not directly across from an other leaf, but staggered. OK, also in nature, in addition to plants, we see animals and humans reproduce at maturity or adulthood. If a human, (or dog or any animal) is forced to make babies before maturity, like getting a 12 yr old girl pregnant, or a dog in her very first heat, then the babies are weak, or runts, or deformed, and just not at their best.A dude here, a most experienced, knowledgable grower named fdd2blk (and a MOD here too) taught me a long time ago, that it does not make sense, it is not wise, it is not logical, to make a child have a child, and it is not wise or smart or logical to make an immature baby plant, have babies. LET THE BABIES GROW AND LET THE ADULTS MAKE BABIES.If you will VEG for 5 weeks, to 6 weeks, you will have more time for proper TOPPING, PRUNING, AND FIMMING, and you'll get bigger plants, a much larger yield, and you will also have a mature adult plant, ready to make healthy, stronger babies (flowers) .If you begin Indica Flowering, after VEGGING 3 or 4 weeks, you will harvest about 60% to 75% of what you would have harvested, IF you had waited and VEGGED for 5 or 6 full weeks.This info applies to rapid growing in Hydro, and to Indica strains. NOT slowly in SOIL, and NOT Sativa.
whooo!! ***whipes brow*** I just spent the last 2 and a half days reading this thread. All 61 pages top to bottom. I am so thankful for your generosity with your knowledge and thankful for your attitude of morons who choose not to read. (It's good for a laugh) I must have made like 50 notes (copied and paste) and put together a little "Grow the Roseman Way" book. You have given me my new grow bible and once again I say thanks. Great job and happy harvesting.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
Roseman thank you for reposting post #330, I didn't really remember it, though I remember the idea.
My question was actually directed at what height YOU induce flowering. I take cuttings, and I believe all my plants are mature. My problem is this.. my 3 or 4 soil grows were awful..and when I put them into flowering, they might have grown 2 more inches. People say "it will stretch 2 to 3 times the size..." but I just do not see it. My plant is at about 6". I don't have space issues really..it could be around 6' tall if need be. But I only use a 400w HPS, so I want to be sure it can penetrate the dense foliage (indica strain). Should I veg to 30" - 36" or what do you think?
Again I understand people say that they stretch 2 to 3 times,but I'm looking for input from someone running the same system as I do!
My question was actually directed at what height YOU induce flowering. I take cuttings, and I believe all my plants are mature. My problem is this.. my 3 or 4 soil grows were awful..and when I put them into flowering, they might have grown 2 more inches. People say "it will stretch 2 to 3 times the size..." but I just do not see it. My plant is at about 6". I don't have space issues really..it could be around 6' tall if need be. But I only use a 400w HPS, so I want to be sure it can penetrate the dense foliage (indica strain). Should I veg to 30" - 36" or what do you think?
Again I understand people say that they stretch 2 to 3 times,but I'm looking for input from someone running the same system as I do!
Beartracks
Member
First off I want to say thanks to Roseman, because of what you have written about Bubbleponics, GREAT STUFF.
So now I am waiting for my unit to be shipped, ordered it this morning, and I can hardly wait for it to arrive. http://www.stealthhydroponics.com/product.php?xProd=183&xSec=54
I will be planting some Auroura Indica and AK-48 from Nirvana in it.
I will be back often at first for any help or pointers. So once again THANKS ROSEMAN.
So now I am waiting for my unit to be shipped, ordered it this morning, and I can hardly wait for it to arrive. http://www.stealthhydroponics.com/product.php?xProd=183&xSec=54
I will be planting some Auroura Indica and AK-48 from Nirvana in it.
I will be back often at first for any help or pointers. So once again THANKS ROSEMAN.
Hey Roseman, sorry to bug you again, but I had an idea/question. First off, this has nothing to do with my grow at all (seeing as how I'm not growing) but I thought of an ingenious idea that I thought you might want to try someday or that you might be interested in.
Remember a few pages back that you had talked about removing a male and people worrying about the roots being tangled together? What if you took some of this 4" clear pvc ... http://secure2.data-comm.com/servlet/DCIS/-strse-234760/Pipe-Schedule-40-PVC/Detail ... (that stuff is a little expensive but you get the idea.) and cut it where it would sit about 3" from the bottom of the tub. Glue the tops of the tubes right to the bottom of the lid around the 4" net pots. Then you could drill a hole in the side and run your feeding tubes through the hole into the net pots. This would eleviate the roots tangling too much, allow you to cut less roots off, and it would hold your feeding tubes in place.
Remember a few pages back that you had talked about removing a male and people worrying about the roots being tangled together? What if you took some of this 4" clear pvc ... http://secure2.data-comm.com/servlet/DCIS/-strse-234760/Pipe-Schedule-40-PVC/Detail ... (that stuff is a little expensive but you get the idea.) and cut it where it would sit about 3" from the bottom of the tub. Glue the tops of the tubes right to the bottom of the lid around the 4" net pots. Then you could drill a hole in the side and run your feeding tubes through the hole into the net pots. This would eleviate the roots tangling too much, allow you to cut less roots off, and it would hold your feeding tubes in place.
Roseman
Elite Rolling Society
I tried to answer the best I could that I do not start 12/12 by the HEIGHT of my plants and that HEIGHT should not be a determining factor in starting 12/12. THE determining factor is are they mature? I still have two plants now that are less than 18 inches tall that were 12 to 14 inches tall when I started 12/12. .
If you want what HEIGHT I started 12/12, two were 14 inches tall, one was 18 inches tall, one was 24, three were 33, 4 were 34 inches, and three were 35 inches tall.
Did that help you? I suspect not.
And that "people say that they stretch 2 to 3 times" is a load of B.S. and not true. Mine are not 100 inches tall now, are they? None of mine are doubled or more than 25% taller now and they are not getting any taller now.
I suppose I thought that if you clone a plant, then the cutting is already at the mature stage? And that only a seed needed to be waited on to mature.(was unsure if you ONLY grow from seed) My apologies for not understanding and keeping it going. Thanks for your attempt at helping me to understand though!
socialsmoker
Active Member
reps roseman my roots started turning black i found the 8 step mixd it with hydrogen cleared the roots right up they r whit again yea il bet your closet smells great they look wonderful
JonnyBtreed
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Sure it wasn't your ferret 
Glad to here it's so stinky, always a good thing
Glad to here it's so stinky, always a good thing
journey1111
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very good information here, subscribed.