Evolution Or God?

[jeff f]

Well, people who believe in a god or gods are certainly all delusional in this specific regard since their beliefs aren't based on reason and evidence. I've told my Christian friends this much to their face when they've asked me. Not all delusional people are dangerous or evil, and sometimes their delusions provide them some modicum of happiness, otherwise they wouldn't continue to hold their beliefs.

By the way, the bible is a terrible book on philosophy in my opinion.

even though you sound like an arrogant bastard, i will put the average christians generosity to other human beings up against the average "smarter than thou" bigot like yourself.

yep, i said it, you are a bigot. because when you look at someone and see them reading the bible you automatically think they are an idiot. hmmm, how bout the color of their skin mr smartguy? they dumber too? last time i looked there were 7 or so things you couldnt discriminate against; race, RELIGION, color, creed, national origin, or handicap...or something like that. but i am sure RELIGION is in there...you arrogant bigot!

horrible book on philosophy? really, love your neighbor as you love yourself...yes, really shitty philosophy....dumbass

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

To know is NOT to understand... to Understand is to know Why.

Jeff... do a bong hit!

Count to '10'

Then do 10 more and try to count!

LOL !!!

Cheers baba !

 

[jeff f]

To know is NOT to understand... to Understand is to know Why.

Jeff... do a bong hit!

Count to '10'

Then do 10 more and try to count!

LOL !!!

Cheers baba !

originally posted at 6:20. bong hits commenced at exactly 6:19....i beat ya too it

 

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[PadawanBater]

yep, i said it, you are a bigot. because when you look at someone and see them reading the bible you automatically think they are an idiot.

Facts are facts. How do you explain the fact that the smarter people become, the less likely they are to be religious? How do you explain the fact that the poster boys for creationism and intelligent design don't know a goddamn thing about science?

There is no other way to say it, and frankly, it needs to be said; People who believe in imaginary friends are delusional. Would you say the same thing about grown adults who believe in Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny, or elves...etc. A healthy mind knows the difference between reality and fantasy. If you cannot tell the difference, you have an unhealthy mind, in that aspect. Psycologists call it delusional.

 

[jakethetank]

There is too many gods, how does your gods differ from all the others. There is one creater that nobody on this earth will ever be able to fathom!!! beware

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Only a fool says in his heart 'there is no God. Educated Idiots are included. And the biggest brainiacs among us can't even do the simplest of things. Many of the lack compunction also. Did you know that Mr. Wisard?

Intelligents in one way myt be detrimental in another. Ever met a genius? How many?
I've met more than most and it's true with a large number of them. If they can't precive it - they don't believe it. To some God (belief in) is illogical. hence your chart.

 

[jeff f]

Facts are facts. How do you explain the fact that the smarter people become, the less likely they are to be religious? How do you explain the fact that the poster boys for creationism and intelligent design don't know a goddamn thing about science?

There is no other way to say it, and frankly, it needs to be said; People who believe in imaginary friends are delusional. Would you say the same thing about grown adults who believe in Santa Claus, or the Easter Bunny, or elves...etc. A healthy mind knows the difference between reality and fantasy. If you cannot tell the difference, you have an unhealthy mind, in that aspect. Psycologists call it delusional.

really weird! those charts you put up look just like the ones george wallace used to put up concerning blacks? strangely enough, they sure do. weird aint it?

wanna try again bigot? hey you fucking racist bigot!! wow, finally someone on this site who actually called someone a racist bigot and was right.

do i win some sort of prize?

 

[ancap]

Fair point, flying unicorns: at present i don't believe in them. If someone brought one to me and let me examine it so that i could assume beyond reasonable doubt that it wasn't a hoax or illusion then yeah, i'm not ruling it out. Unicorns are a bit too fairytale for my liking, whereas there is a significant portion of the world who believe in god.

I'd prefer to draw a parallel between god and ghosts or extra terrestrials etc. I've never been presented with enough evidence in either direction to sway my decision. If i ever am, i'll make the decision of whether i believe in any of these or not.

I think you're reasoning correctly, but I don't think you have to end at an "agnostic" conclusion (which to me is like "weak atheism"). As an atheist, I never stated that I am unwilling to hear new evidence, nor should I be unwilling. Also remember, more people believing in a delusion does not make the delusion more valid. There is as much evidence supporting gods as there is magical flying unicorns... none... just guesses and "feelings".

I don't disagree that god is supported by the whim of delusional people rather than evidence, but there is no evidence that categorically rules out the existence or a higher power either. Yes atheism is more logical than religion, but we can't be sure can we?

These are good questions, but you have to remember... there has been absolutely no evidence presented which can be scientifically tested and whos result can be repeated consistently, that supports the theory of a supernatural world of any kind.

The statement "God exists" is a logical contradiction because it states "that which does not exist, exists". Let me explain...

Existance: An objective material presence (matter/energy) or objectively measurable effects of that material presence (gravity).

A complete absense of an objective material presence or its associated effects is the definition of non-existence. So when people say "God exists", they are actually saying "that which has never been detected, exists." If something has never been detected, it perfectly fits the definition of non-existence. Therefore the statement "God exists" can be restated, "that which does not exist, exists".

Equally, i find it hard to believe that in the entire universe we humans on earth are the only living, sentient beings. So i'm waiting til there's actually something that i can base an opinion on, more than just hearsay.

Because life has been demonstrated and proven here on earth, it is not irrational to acknowledge the possibility of life on other planets within our universe, given the right conditions. The supernatural has never been proven, thus to even claim the possibility of a supernatural god is an irrational proposition in the same way you do not claim the possibility of supernatural unicorns.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Reply to Ancap post page #30 bottom- you said
"Well, people who believe in a god or gods are certainly all delusional in this specific regard since their beliefs aren't based on reason and evidence. " (in part)

I'm not sure how to tell you this but... I asked a question to my God one day. "Teach me some thing I don't know." And before I got the word 'know out of my mouth the Spirit spoke to my spirit "What's the difference between Infinity and eternity? (Besides the spelling) What's the difference between faith and confidence? Envy and Jealosy? " There was a pause follow by "There is only one corrct answerr and it's the same answer that applies to all three".

I asked a question to my God and I heard His voice. I just told you what he said in the time it takes a person to utter the word 'know'. It happens that fast and clearly for some. No matter.
I looked at the questions as I wrote them down and thought on it for a number of days. I came up with nothing.

When I went 'upstairs' (some people call it prayer) I aksed for the answer.

Wow! There is only one correct answer and it applies to all three questions.

Now.... you can remain as blind and foolish as you want in life but- there are some that want to know the truth and we have respect for what we don't yet know. One thing is certain. We are not the foolish ones.

Can you give me the correct answer that applies to all three questions?? Can you tell me the forth question? Can you remember that I was The one that asked 'Teach me something I don't know' to my God?

And you say there is no LIVING GOD.

So too the fool who does not ask questions when looking for answers.

How foolish can a life be lived?

 

[ancap]

even though you sound like an arrogant bastard, i will put the average christians generosity to other human beings up against the average "smarter than thou" bigot like yourself. yep, i said it, you are a bigot.

So I'm intolerant because I think people who believe in nonsense are delusional? Please help me connect the dots if you are so concerned with convicting me in the public square.

because when you look at someone and see them reading the bible you automatically think they are an idiot.

Please, if you are going to debate me, then drop the straw man arguments and debate me on my words. I never called christians idiots. I called them delusional.

hmmm, how bout the color of their skin mr smartguy? they dumber too? last time i looked there were 7 or so things you couldnt discriminate against; race, RELIGION, color, creed, national origin, or handicap...or something like that. but i am sure RELIGION is in there...you arrogant bigot!

What a retarded non sequitur. Calling someone delusional is not desciminatory moron. You sound like a little whining baby.

horrible book on philosophy? really, love your neighbor as you love yourself...yes, really shitty philosophy....dumbass

The bible advocates murder, rape, death to rape victims, baby killing, sex slavery, and human sacrifice (references available). The bible goes beyond being a horrible book on philosophy, it's a vicious abomination that should be kept as far away from children as possible.

I know you're really frustrated right now Jeff f as demonstrated by your inability to offer any argument of value, but it does you no good to embarrass yourself publically with such a terribly defensive, incoherent rant. Next time count to 10.

Apologize to me and we'll start over on good terms...

 

[jeff f]

hard to belive how cliche you bigots have become. you have "christian friends", seem to recall, "hey i have many black friends" thats what the bigots against blacks used to say. pretty interesting how true bigots really just repeat the same things but use them on different people. same charts, same words, same attitude (my kind are better than your kind). yep all bigots do act the same.

hey bigot, let me ask you this, do all irish men get drunk all the time and do chinese really have small penis. you are such a bigot you have no clue you are a bigot. but you sure are arrogant.

 

[ancap]

Reply to Ancap post page #30 bottom- you said
"Well, people who believe in a god or gods are certainly all delusional in this specific regard since their beliefs aren't based on reason and evidence. " (in part)

I'm not sure how to tell you this but... I asked a question to my God one day. "Teach me some thing I don't know." And before I got the word 'know out of my mouth the Spirit spoke to my spirit "What's the difference between Infinity and eternity? (Besides the spelling) What's the difference between faith and confidence? Envy and Jealosy? " There was a pause follow by "There is only one corrct answerr and it's the same answer that applies to all three".

I asked a question to my God and I heard His voice. I just told you what he said in the time it takes a person to utter the word 'know'. It happens that fast and clearly for some. No matter.
I looked at the questions as I wrote them down and thought on it for a number of days. I came up with nothing.

When I went 'upstairs' (some people call it prayer) I aksed for the answer.

Wow! There is only one correct answer and it applies to all three questions.

Look, I see the sincerity behind your faith, and I'm convinced you're probably a very nice person, but what you are presenting to me is not evidence. Essentially you are saying, "I bowed my head and silently asked a question to an omniscient being, and then received an answer from a supernatural spirit that is one with that being." Isn't it more logical to come to the conclusion that the answer was probably generated internally from your own brain?

Now.... you can remain as blind and foolish as you want in life but- there are some that want to know the truth and we have respect for what we don't yet know. One thing is certain. We are not the foolish ones.

Brother, I am a ruthless seeker of the truth! I don't want to be living a lie, so please, if I am wrong in my thinking, show me the right way! I only ask you to use evidence and reason.

Can you give me the correct answer that applies to all three questions?? Can you tell me the forth question? Can you remember that I was The one that asked 'Teach me something I don't know' to my God?

I'm sorry, but I really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[ancap]

hey bigot, let me ask you this, do all irish men get drunk all the time and do chinese really have small penis. you are such a bigot you have no clue you are a bigot. but you sure are arrogant.

If ALL Irish people got drunk ALL the time, there would be no sustainable Irish economy. I think it's safe to say we can conclude this proposition to be false.

A study conducted by Drs. Kevan Wylie and Ian Eardley of the Porterback Clinic and Royal Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield and St. James’ Hospital in Leeds, United Kingdom, respectively, combines results from more than 50 international research projects into penis size and small penis syndrome (SPS) conducted since 1942. They conclude that penis size does not vary from race to race.

Does this answer your questions?

 

[jeff f]

I'm sorry, but I really don't know what you are talking about.

i dont either. not only did i not write any of that, i dont know who did or what it pertains too. sorry brother. somebody is probably getting blamed for something i said right now

 

[jeff f]

If ALL Irish people got drunk ALL the time, their would be no sustainable Irish economy. I think it's safe to say we can conclude this proposition to be false.

A study conducted by Drs. Kevan Wylie and Ian Eardley of the Porterback Clinic and Royal Hallamshire Hospital in Sheffield and St. James’ Hospital in Leeds, United Kingdom, respectively, combines results from more than 50 international research projects into penis size and small penis syndrome (SPS) conducted since 1942. They conclude that penis size does not vary from race to race.

Does this answer your questions?

lame. later this evening, because you are a seeker of truth, you will sort it all out and see what i am talking about. till then, troll along.

 

[ancap]

i dont either. not only did i not write any of that, i dont know who did or what it pertains too. sorry brother. somebody is probably getting blamed for something i said right now

Run that by me again? Not following you here...

Edit: I quoted the wrong person, my bad. Fixed.

 

[ancap]

lame. later this evening, because you are a seeker of truth, you will sort it all out and see what i am talking about. till then, troll along.

No, it's not lame. Irish people really dont get drunk all the time and asian penis size is not smaller compared to the mean of other races. It's important that you understand this...

 

[jeff f]

Run that by me again? Not following you here...

i dont know how but i never said those things. i am gussing that me and someone else posted at the same times and the names merged or something. thoose quotes are not mine.