The Official House and Garden Thread

[jberry]

rhizotonic is similar to Roots Exelerator and it is a safe effective method of raising your PH without using any PH Up...

you cant use it during the last three weeks of flower but by then u will be using Shooting Powder and i believe that will help raise your PH as well.

just a idea for u.

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

rhizotonic is similar to Roots Exelerator and it is a safe effective method of raising your PH without using any PH Up...

you cant use it during the last three weeks of flower but by then u will be using Shooting Powder and i believe that will help raise your PH as well.

just a idea for u.

Thanks Jberry. I appreciate the information. As always, you come up with some good advice. I checked out some info on it and it looks like good stuff. This is what I found. Do you use it yourself? How much of a jump in ph do you get from it?


A dynamic Root Stimulator and Stress Reliever

• Faster root development
  
• Strong roots
  
• Easy to use
  
• Increased resistance to disease
  
• For use in both indoor and outdoor cultivation
  
• Instantly absorbable
  
• More than 60 microbiological substances
  
• No harmful residues

Canna Rhizotonic is a powerful algae-based root stimulator for fast growing plants that already have roots. Rhizotonic stimulates the further root development, increases the plant's resistance to disease and promotes its inner and outer strength.
Rhizotonic is 100% natural, and contains multiple vitamins. Rhizotonic influences the root environment and is the ideal supplement for the plant environment. Rhizotonic has a calming effect on plants, and is ideally suited for use when re-potting plants as well as improving plants that are unhealthy or poorly developed.
Rhizotonic can be used regardless of the type of medium. It is suitable for cultivation in potting soil and in hydroponic systems. Rhizotonic is often sprayed on leaves and can be used as a simple means for raising the pH level in fertilizer tanks.
Root Stimulant
Rhizotonic adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speed up the grow of a balanced root environment. Various trace elements, vitamins such as B1 and B2 have been added to Rhizotonic in order to stimulate the plant production of hormones and root growth, thus providing better and stronger roots.
Vital plants
Good results start with a healthy plant. There are many different ways to stimulate plants aside from maintaining the proper levels of nutrients, acidity, temperature, air and light. Rhizotonic does so during the rooting and growing phase. Another important element in Rhizotonic is the root-strengthening hormone Oligosaccharine. Scientific research showed its beneficial effect in the creation of root cells without any negative side effects. Your plants will get beautiful, strong, white roots with Rhizotonic.

I picked up some Pro Silica today, but I will probably finish my current grow with the ph-up since I am less than three weeks out, but definatley appreciate the information and will probably pick some up too.

 

[LoudBlunts]

Yeah that's what I said..duh, why can't it magically fix itself..Why isn't there a magic wand or something I can wave over it and fix it.
Uhm OK, well if there was a product made by the nutrient line that balanced out the ph without having to dump ph up (acid/alkalie) to bring a ph of 3.8 up to the mid 5.8 wouldn't that be better? Against the law of physics??? WTF I have no idea what you mean. That is just, well I'll be nice.



But why you ask. Why add silica instead of ph-up hmm well because I am already adding ph-up which adds no nutrient value to the plants other than balance. Remember that camme from house and garden not me. but if you have to add something every time than, why not something that has multiple purposes?


As for this being normal, I am not sure a ph drop of over 3.0 is normal, but maybe your right. I am just trying to get some advice from folks that have experience in with house and garden and this ph drop. Appearently it isn't normal accross the boarda s some growers don;t see the ph drop, for instance hulknugs.

It is good to be you? uhmm ok.... Again wtf OK Bro, I have to say you are the first RUI user to attempt to flame me.. I think it is funny, especially when you don't have any advice to give.

lol the first RIU user to attempt to flame you? BWAHAHAH you need to back away from the internet..and go load up your bong and inhale REALLY REALLY DEEP

my rep just doesnt speak for itself, but it speaks volumes. not to mention how many people and members that can VOUCH for ME.... even on this here THREAD.

Funny that you say im 'attempting to flame you' YET this is the SECOND time you've came at me in this thread when im trying to help you with your poorly described situation. Instead of READING and working on your comprehension... you BACKFIRE...when im helping you. Secondly you didnt realize that i was helping until Jberry came in and cosigned with me.

Third...you are a brand new ass member... you've joined 2 years after me...you would think a person like yourself would have respect for senior members with rank and rep....however i guess its just in your blood to be respectful and soft skinned getting butt hurt right?

Make no mistake... I am the Loudblunts. I can get loud and I am blunt. Everybody knows this...if i wanted to 'attempt to flame' you...make no fucking mistake...i would come right out and flame you. I have no problem doing so.

All that 'duh' and smart ass/sarcastic shit really isnt necessary. I didnt get like that with you...so why feel the need? Yet, im the one who's 'attempting to flame you'


Anywho...back to your problem.

Its sad that we had to go through all THIS just to get you to ELABORATE on what you want.

Good luck with finding help with your dislike for elaboration.

If you wanted something that did TWO duties for pH UP and ANOTHER nutrient....then THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID.

you talking sarcastically about magically bringing the pH up is just NOT happening. You may be funning around...but this is the real world.

Sure pH UP adds 002ppm here and 005ppm there, but i mean really? who cares?

the plant doesnt view it as nutrients...so it really doesnt matter.

However, i can understand you're wanting of one stone that will kill 2 birds.

You ask me why wouldnt I want something like that.... Well that is because I just keep it simple. I already have enough nutrients...why would i keep adding stuff to my nute soup?

I'm all about efficiency and producing primo bud for pennies for the OZ.

I also run hydro and aero systems. Silica and any other additives that contain silica clog up to me. I also have my reservoirs at 58F. All the silica would do would lump up and clog my shit with no benefit. So in my not so humble opinion...it would be a waste of time and money in my OP to add silica additives when i could just use a drop or two of ph UP.

and FYI... as you soon may find out. I dont consider myself the source for H & G info on nutes.... BUT ALOT of members on this site do...AS WELL as ALOT of other sites... so yer talk about experienced users is really funny. Ask Jberry...ask him who he comes and ask about H&G or anything really.

Soooo last but not least. Good luck with your grow!!!!

Its funny, people ask why the ol heads dont come around no more. Folks ask me why I dont come around no more..... its because of noobs like these who ask questions, then they are thin skinned and they think you are attacking them...when in fact all the is right infront of them.

Stop being on the defensive and heres some plus karma your way to soothe you out. You need it bro

 

[LoudBlunts]

lol @ me attempting to flame you

i mean really dude..

i dont even know you....

why would i waste my time?

i guess i wasted my time trying to help you though....


lol im sorry you really think you are a big enough deal for me to flame you....but contrary to your belief...you arent....lol not even a 'deal' to me...let alone big.


good luck with your grow! may all your wishes come true

 

[Mulletsoda]

Be careful! He is loud, and he is blunt!

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

Wow, Bro. First I appreciate all advise from all of the experieinced growers on here..yes that is you too. Maybe I read you wrong. For that I am sorry. I am sure you have the knowledge in your little finger on growing that I know. I definatley have not cliamed to have any expereince. So I think you have me wrong. I do however share what I learn, incase someone else that is starting out may benefit.
Anyway, sorry Bro if you feel like I disrespected your expereince or rep..that is not my intention. I was put off by your patranizing comments..

This was my statement

I I am surprised that h&g hasn't come out with something in there nute program that will bring the ph up without ph-up.

This is your reponse

wait

wait wait



so you want something to bring the ph UP without using ph-up?

This is where I tried to explain what I meant.-

Yeah, yeah. I mean the feeding chart is so detailed it would be nice if they included something that balanced the ph back out. Why, do you know of such a thing. lol

This is where you correct me -

thas not what you said...you said you wanted the ph to go UP without using any ph-up like thas against laws of physics or some shit....

now I am not about drama and I appreciate all the help you and other growers give noobs like myself. I could do without the condescending bullshit. If you think I am bothersome or ignorant in my questions than don't respond. I do a lot of research, but there is no teacher like expereince. This is why I look for affirmation from those of you that have walked the walk. I would definatley never claim to be a big deal or that you are not. But I am here to learn and that my friend takes asking questions. Your attempt to belittle people that are trying to learn goes against what I thought these forums are about. Where did you start..did you know it all? My guess is you asked some questions that some found basic or obvious. Maybe I am wrong and you were a born master grower.

I apologize for the thread highjack..that was not my intention. Just lookin for some advice. hopefully we can all get along.

 

[LoudBlunts]

I never claim to be a master nor 'a know it all' and i tell folks this everyday no matter what they tell me. Folks know this. I pride myself on still learning...because in my opinion....once you think you know it all...it is no longer fun.


I stay humble even when i call pull my cock out and do my thing...but for why? there is no future in that shit.

Yes, you totally read me wrong. It isnt the first time. The internet isnt a great way to communicate. Most people think im coming off as that way...until they ACTUALLY READ what im saying and they actually get to know me. All is good. I know my words can be read the wrong way...but hey like i said..its the internet. All is good. my fault

Time is money.... I dont just go around blowing smoke up people's asses nor do I waste my time on forum boards. When I say something....Im not gonna bullshit you, im not gonna hold your hand. Im gonna give it to you straight....and sometimes it may be raw as hell. DONT get defensive. this is where you fuck up. instead of taking it as constructive criticism or as a serious question....you get defensive and then it rubs both of us the wrong way. You know what they say about assuming.... it makes you look like an ass....and makes me look like an even bigger ass for setting the record straight.


And of course we all started off somewhere....why do you think people are trying to give back and help out coughmecough....

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

I never claim to be a master nor 'a know it all' and i tell folks this everyday no matter what they tell me. Folks know this. I pride myself on still learning...because in my opinion....once you think you know it all...it is no longer fun.


I stay humble even when i call pull my cock out and do my thing...but for why? there is no future in that shit.

Yes, you totally read me wrong. It isnt the first time. The internet isnt a great way to communicate. Most people think im coming off as that way...until they ACTUALLY READ what im saying and they actually get to know me. All is good. I know my words can be read the wrong way...but hey like i said..its the internet. All is good. my fault

Time is money.... I dont just go around blowing smoke up people's asses nor do I waste my time on forum boards. When I say something....Im not gonna bullshit you, im not gonna hold your hand. Im gonna give it to you straight....and sometimes it may be raw as hell. DONT get defensive. this is where you fuck up. instead of taking it as constructive criticism or as a serious question....you get defensive and then it rubs both of us the wrong way. You know what they say about assuming.... it makes you look like an ass....and makes me look like an even bigger ass for setting the record straight.


And of course we all started off somewhere....why do you think people are trying to give back and help out coughmecough....

I appreciate the explanation. I too am somewhat blunt, but on here I try to stay very humble as I am as you said a noob. I am fine with that and understand the pecking order.. after all I am a vet.
Anyway, thanks for the help and advise. I do appreciate everyone on RIU's tips and advice including yours. Thank you for taking the time to try and help.

 

[LoudBlunts]

nah... like i said it wasnt all you... my apologizes if/ for rubbing you the wrong way, sir.....


now...cant we all just smoke along

 

[LoudBlunts]

and also.....lol i wasnt necessarily calling you a noob...that was just a general statement.

 

[Huh??]

Soooooooooooo...Anyway,H&G is the shit!

 

[#1Raiderfan420]

nah... like i said it wasnt all you... my apologizes if/ for rubbing you the wrong way, sir.....


now...cant we all just smoke along

No worries..already there Bro!

 

[conradthecat]

Per the killer advise on this thread I decided to ask Humbolt Wholesale and Steve @ House and Garden for the sample pack you guys are talking about on here.

Guess what? No response, so foxfarm and Canna it is for now...

I would love to try their goods but I would need to sample it before plunking down hundreds on new products that may or may not be better then Foxfarm or Canna.


Peace

 

[Uncle Ben]

Let me start it off with all the information i have about H&G.

I have ONLY had experience with the SOIL line so whatever i say is based strictly on the soil line.

HG is huge in europe from what i hear.

Europe has the reputation of producing snake oils and rocket fuels using outrageous claims and cost. The Dutch are the worst offenders.

It just recently became available in the States (atleast to me, and to my knowledge). The guy who created it, Van De Zwaan is also the same person who created Canna Nutes (and Bio Bizz i believe). Having over 30 years experience, i believe the guy probably has a good idea what he is doing.

If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he's a crook. He used to push his root canna tabs, CO2 gas offs, back 14 years ago. In spite of most telling him that roots require O2 to survive, he did not stop his shameless sales pitch. I wouldn't touch Canna products with a ten foot pole.

You have to figure his newest product (which bears his family name) is probably better than the older ones, no?

You believe everything someone tells you, especially a snake oil salesman?

8. Drip Clean - now this is the one product that sells alot of people on HG. The promise of NO SALT BUILDUP. So is it true? Well... YES!!

Yeah, I just love promises, and I like to pray that the Grow God will give me big buds.

Being that it keeps lines and reservoirs "clean", does it contain urea phosphate?

What a pack of lies from these guys --> "Bio Bizz Bio-Grow (1.8-0.1-6.6) liquid fertilizer is ideal for promoting lush growth during the vegetative cycle, particularly in soil gardens."

The last thing it will promote is "lush growth". It will have the opposite affect of inducing premature leaf drop. The NPK value sucks for the best production and support of vegetation, it WILL induce a lockout of N, Mg, and Ca...... and based on the negligible amount of salts in that crap, you're better off peeing into a jar of water and soaking your plants, at least you'll get some N.

I could go on dispelling all of the misrepresentations of the products mentioned, but I'll quit now.

Facts before feelings fellas.....

UB

 

[conradthecat]

Europe has the reputation of producing snake oils and rocket fuels using outrageous claims and cost. The Dutch are the worst offenders.

If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he's a crook. He used to push his root canna tabs, CO2 gas offs, back 14 years ago. In spite of most telling him that roots require O2 to survive, he did not stop his shameless sales pitch. I wouldn't touch Canna products with a ten foot pole.

You believe everything someone tells you, especially a snake oil salesman?

Yeah, I just love promises, and I like to pray that the Grow God will give me big buds.

Being that it keeps lines and reservoirs "clean", does it contain urea phosphate?

What a pack of lies from these guys --> "Bio Bizz Bio-Grow (1.8-0.1-6.6) liquid fertilizer is ideal for promoting lush growth during the vegetative cycle, particularly in soil gardens."

The last thing it will promote is "lush growth". It will have the opposite affect of inducing premature leaf drop. The NPK value sucks for the best production and support of vegetation, it WILL induce a lockout of N, Mg, and Ca...... and based on the negligible amount of salts in that crap, you're better off peeing into a jar of water and soaking your plants, at least you'll get some N.

I could go on dispelling all of the misrepresentations of the products mentioned, but I'll quit now.

Facts before feelings fellas.....

UB

Well judging by the response that I have received from the company and humblot wholesale in regards to a sample request... I don't have a great feeling either...

But if they do come thru for me I will be happy to test their products..

 

[jberry]

they wouldnt respond to my 4 emails either...

 

[LoudBlunts]

because of the massive overflow of emails through humbolt wholesale...

it would be much easier and less of a headache to get some samples from your local hydro store....just a thought.


my brother, Jberry is hardheaded and he only wants to fuck with the headhunchos @ humboldt wholesale....

guess ill have to send Jberry a L or so to hold him over

 

[jberry]

yea, im over their samples... but a simple reply to any of my questions would have been nice.

 

[LoudBlunts]

i can definitely dig that


sheeit Humboldt Wholesale, yall making the products yall carry look bad with the half ass customer support!!!!!

 

[jberry]

yes, i use it. I honestly like roots exelerator better, but they have many of the same ingredients from what ive been told by different reps.

you can use as little as 2ml per gallon and up to 15ml per gallon depending on what stage your at or how much you want to raise the ph... you wont use too much unless you are constantly using 15ml or more.

works great as a all around stress reliever and does wonders as a foliar spray at 2ml per gal.

Thanks Jberry. I appreciate the information. As always, you come up with some good advice. I checked out some info on it and it looks like good stuff. This is what I found. Do you use it yourself? How much of a jump in ph do you get from it?


A dynamic Root Stimulator and Stress Reliever

• Faster root development
  
• Strong roots
  
• Easy to use
  
• Increased resistance to disease
  
• For use in both indoor and outdoor cultivation
  
• Instantly absorbable
  
• More than 60 microbiological substances
  
• No harmful residues

Canna Rhizotonic is a powerful algae-based root stimulator for fast growing plants that already have roots. Rhizotonic stimulates the further root development, increases the plant's resistance to disease and promotes its inner and outer strength.
Rhizotonic is 100% natural, and contains multiple vitamins. Rhizotonic influences the root environment and is the ideal supplement for the plant environment. Rhizotonic has a calming effect on plants, and is ideally suited for use when re-potting plants as well as improving plants that are unhealthy or poorly developed.
Rhizotonic can be used regardless of the type of medium. It is suitable for cultivation in potting soil and in hydroponic systems. Rhizotonic is often sprayed on leaves and can be used as a simple means for raising the pH level in fertilizer tanks.
Root Stimulant
Rhizotonic adds more than 60 microbiological substances that considerably speed up the grow of a balanced root environment. Various trace elements, vitamins such as B1 and B2 have been added to Rhizotonic in order to stimulate the plant production of hormones and root growth, thus providing better and stronger roots.
Vital plants
Good results start with a healthy plant. There are many different ways to stimulate plants aside from maintaining the proper levels of nutrients, acidity, temperature, air and light. Rhizotonic does so during the rooting and growing phase. Another important element in Rhizotonic is the root-strengthening hormone Oligosaccharine. Scientific research showed its beneficial effect in the creation of root cells without any negative side effects. Your plants will get beautiful, strong, white roots with Rhizotonic.

I picked up some Pro Silica today, but I will probably finish my current grow with the ph-up since I am less than three weeks out, but definatley appreciate the information and will probably pick some up too.