CSU Student Walk Out ~ please read and react

[phreakygoat]

California State University Walkout
Thursday, March 4
12pm


CSU students, voice your right as a consumer and a future cog in the machine: Walk out of your classes this march 4 to protest the budget BULLSHIT and those fucking furloughs. This protest will be against the unethical budget cuts that are fucking up my tuition and leaving many hopeful students without a way into higher education. CSU Monterey, the cheapest of the CSUs just denied 1000 people from admittance this fall. UCSF, UCSC, now the entire CSU system is standing up for our collective need for societal and cultural education. Also, by bailing on class, there can probably be a huge smoke session, lol.

Check with your local campus, and non-students PLEASE SUPPORT THIS MOVEMENT however possible. Our future as a society is at stake.


check out the movement on facebook - "education action now" or send me a pm

 

[fitch303]

Thanks for providing the least amount of info available for your cause

 

[Rob Roy]

Is the protest based on complaining that your education will no longer be subsidized by government force and extortion?

 

[phreakygoat]

Thanks for providing the least amount of info available for your cause

haha, thats the stoner way... honestly i have nothing to do with planning this thing, and I wanted to get the word out with the quicknesswh. anyone interested can check out the facebook page of course. I figure any CSU students reading this have been hearing about this for weeks.

Is the protest based on complaining that your education will no longer be subsidized by government force and extortion?

actually, kinda. I happen to live in this society rather than just sitting back and judging from a distance. you dont drink milk or use gasoline?

if you want the government to change, a great method is to take the gun/war/politics cash flow and divert it to higher education. thats what this protest is all about, allocation of resources. sorry that education isn't revolutionary enough for ya, but us kids are the ones who are going to either change or keep the approach and focus of our currently inept government. sadly, the fate of the future currently lies in pretty poor hands, don't you want to have a voice against this?

 

[Rob Roy]

haha, thats the stoner way... honestly i have nothing to do with planning this thing, and I wanted to get the word out with the quicknesswh. anyone interested can check out the facebook page of course. I figure any CSU students reading this have been hearing about this for weeks.



actually, kinda. I happen to live in this society rather than just sitting back and judging from a distance. you dont drink milk or use gasoline?

if you want the government to change, a great method is to take the gun/war/politics cash flow and divert it to higher education. thats what this protest is all about, allocation of resources. sorry that education isn't revolutionary enough for ya, but us kids are the ones who are going to either change or keep the approach and focus of our currently inept government. sadly, the fate of the future currently lies in pretty poor hands, don't you want to have a voice against this?

Do you support government violence to fund this "education"? If education is force funded wouldn't it be better to call it indoctrination?

 

[phreakygoat]

ooo, you're a quick one!
I don't support too many of this gov'ts policies (esp internationally), but I also love the life here and don't feel like moving out of country or becoming a revolutionary. because of this, I am forced to be judged by the actions of my representatives, I agree that this is fair.

so if it's violence funding the gov't, I would rather that dirty money be funneled into a positive force, rather than more violence, etc. High School is indoctrination, being force fed the 'right' way to be a citizen. at my school, at least, my mind is expanded and inspired by my coursework. I can't argue that subsidized higher education is indoctrination when I have been assigned Howard Zinn by 'the system'.

I definetly see your point though.

 

[Rob Roy]

ooo, you're a quick one!
I don't support too many of this gov'ts policies (esp internationally), but I also love the life here and don't feel like moving out of country or becoming a revolutionary. because of this, I am forced to be judged by the actions of my representatives, I agree that this is fair.

so if it's violence funding the gov't, I would rather that dirty money be funneled into a positive force, rather than more violence, etc. High School is indoctrination, being force fed the 'right' way to be a citizen. at my school, at least, my mind is expanded and inspired by my coursework. I can't argue that subsidized higher education is indoctrination when I have been assigned Howard Zinn by 'the system'.

I definetly see your point though.

Wouldn't it be better if there were NO "dirty money"?

How do you justify theft ?

 

[phreakygoat]

Wouldn't it be better if there were NO "dirty money"?

How do you justify theft ?

yes, and it would also be a better world without racism; both racism and 'dirty money' are derivatives of a greater system in place. they also both can't be blinked away at this point without ripping a big chunk out of good societal behaviors. things would be better if they would be, but don't give us humans too much moralistic credit, we're born liars and lovers.

my whole point is that i can't justify my representative's theft, other than to say that I choose to live my life without spending 100% of my thought on how the gas in my car might as well be blood. You are making a logical/philosophical argument, I am merely making a common sense one. I dig what you mean, but idealism is only a tiny part of the battle.

I am not seeking to argue what I would find idealistically moral, rather just explaining why I would rather take the gov'ts cash for education than not. Idealistically I believe this nation has been a global poison since its inception.

oh and survival is a justifiable reason for theft, totally different topic. I'm not exactly a libertarian haha.

 

[guitarabuser]

Do what you gotta do, but stay out of the freeway. I was running deliveries in San Diego County when the Rodney King riots started in LA. The students from UCSD decided that they were going to support the "poor innocent bastard" by protesting and shutting down the I-5. They failed to realize that most folks really wont stop traffic for somebody else's cause and ended up stuck in the center median while cars flew by.
I support your right to protest, but if you are told to "go play in traffic" remember it's only a figure of speech.

 

[phreakygoat]

Do what you gotta do, but stay out of the freeway. I was running deliveries in San Diego County when the Rodney King riots started in LA. The students from UCSD decided that they were going to support the "poor innocent bastard" by protesting and shutting down the I-5. They failed to realize that most folks really wont stop traffic for somebody else's cause and ended up stuck in the center median while cars flew by.
I support your right to protest, but if you are told to "go play in traffic" remember it's only a figure of speech.

yeah, i don't think its gonna come to that haha. good story though.

 

[Rob Roy]

yes, and it would also be a better world without racism; both racism and 'dirty money' are derivatives of a greater system in place. they also both can't be blinked away at this point without ripping a big chunk out of good societal behaviors. things would be better if they would be, but don't give us humans too much moralistic credit, we're born liars and lovers.

my whole point is that i can't justify my representative's theft, other than to say that I choose to live my life without spending 100% of my thought on how the gas in my car might as well be blood. You are making a logical/philosophical argument, I am merely making a common sense one. I dig what you mean, but idealism is only a tiny part of the battle.

I am not seeking to argue what I would find idealistically moral, rather just explaining why I would rather take the gov'ts cash for education than not. Idealistically I believe this nation has been a global poison since its inception.

oh and survival is a justifiable reason for theft, totally different topic. I'm not exactly a libertarian haha.

No you are not exactly a libertarian.

 

[Sustainable420]

Do you go Humboldt State? Speculation...

 

[NoDrama]

You don't even need school to learn things. Teach yourself. Or do you just want a nice signed piece of paper that says you are competent?

 

[phreakygoat]

Do you go Humboldt State? Speculation...

haha, no. I wish! but California is as California does I guess.

You don't even need school to learn things. Teach yourself. Or do you just want a nice signed piece of paper that says you are competent?

I agree with that to some extent, but for someone as airheaded as myself, having multiple instructors is really helpful. there's more points i could make, but i'm really high and its fuckin 8am. lol

 

[Rob Roy]

haha, no. I wish! but California is as California does I guess.



I agree with that to some extent, but for someone as airheaded as myself, having multiple instructors is really helpful. there's more points i could make, but i'm really high and its fuckin 8am. lol

Let's see if I have this right.

While you get high, other people are supposed to be at work to pay taxes for you to go to a subsidized college...and you protest when they balk at coughing up the money?

What if everyone quit their jobs, to go to college, who will pay for it then?

 

[NoDrama]

I agree with that to some extent, but for someone as airheaded as myself, having multiple instructors is really helpful. there's more points i could make, but i'm really high and its fuckin 8am. lol

Right, I hear you. many jobs REQUIRE a 4 year degree to even get into the position. Having a 4 year degree is no qualification though, I can't begin to tell you how many people have a degree in business or engineering and are waiters and cooks. Hell even my GF is suma cum laude with a 4 year degree and she can't even understand what I'm talking about most of the time. IMO Having a degree is no guarantee that you aren't stupid.

 

[NewGrowth]

"Never let your schooling get in the way of your education"

-Mark Twain

 

[phreakygoat]

Let's see if I have this right.

While you get high, other people are supposed to be at work to pay taxes for you to go to a subsidized college...and you protest when they balk at coughing up the money?

What if everyone quit their jobs, to go to college, who will pay for it then?

let ME get this right, you love asking questions and hate providing a developed argument? and i ask again, don't you buy milk or gasoline?

I get high because I grow it for myself, and I too support the subsidization with my own hard-earned tax dollars. and yes, i think higher education is a great destination for tax funds. would you rather it go where its going now? we pay taxes because we are all (supposedly) vested in this society. so yes it pisses me off when your/my/our hard earned money doesn't go to meaningful causes. why do you believe that this should not be the case?

and to answer your last question: why would you quit your job to go to college? almost all of my peers are either supported by their own job or the careers of their parents. that's all i'll say, i find this question absurd and rhetorical. what if every stoner started smoking crack? who cares?

Right, I hear you. many jobs REQUIRE a 4 year degree to even get into the position. Having a 4 year degree is no qualification though, I can't begin to tell you how many people have a degree in business or engineering and are waiters and cooks. Hell even my GF is suma cum laude with a 4 year degree and she can't even understand what I'm talking about most of the time. IMO Having a degree is no guarantee that you aren't stupid.

I agree with this observation, but higher education is a transformation waiting to happen. you can lead a horse to water...

I would never argue that education is a magical force of immediate socio-economic change. its about the sea-change of approaching a non-ignorant society.

"Never let your schooling get in the way of your education"

-Mark Twain

love the quote. sadly, for many it does.

 

[phreakygoat]

is there anyone out there that supports students fighting for resources? :crickets:

 

[Rob Roy]

Phreaky Goat -

I do like to ask questions.

Milk? I've got some Goats, but they're not Phreaky. Gasoline? I buy it. I make my own electricity, but sometimes the sun doesn't shine enough so I use a small generator or I want to take my jalopy for a spin. Your point?

My developed argument :

I don't think it is right for one person to expect another to pay their way.
Taxes? Most are involuntarily extracted and rely upon the threat of force and confiscation to be collected.
They often fund evil missions, like Pot laws, and killing innocent people in foreign lands...and they even fund Statist Universities.

I believe all people should be free to make voluntary decisions about their life, liberty and property as long as they harm nobody. Being made to subsidize somebody else, is a form of involuntary servitude. It's wrong.

If you feel the need to protest something, why not be against laws that steal people's choices?
I feel that protesting for the continuance of subsidies is very selfish and dismisses logic.

Education is wonderful, but funding it through subordinating others is wrong.