SocataSmoker
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FULL RETARD
How's that?
How's that?
What.....The...Fuck. he's only helping the wounded, shoot him
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CrackerJax
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See.... much better.... now you convinced me.
Michael Phelps
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This is disappointing, honestly how can so many of you celebrate death so happily? I mean to hear these pilots sitting their laughing while they are taking peoples lives is just sick. I mean the fact of the matter is, this isnt a war, this is a military conflict over money and power, not terrorists! We call these people terrorists and insurgents but yet i bet none of you can deny you would do the same, what would you do if China or Russia occupied Usa, can you say you would just sit back while our country is rapped and pillaged? Would you consider yourself an insurgent or a terrorist? a patriot? im curious..
The fact of the matter is war makes money, their is way to much evidence to say it doesnt. Dick Cheney has made millions through halliburton, destroy a country then use U.s. Tax money to pay halliburton to rebuild it, Halliburton makes money... So does Dick Cheney, again you cant deny the fact that this is true..
The Bush's and the Binaladin's have a very extensive history, not suspicious at all...
Im not saying i know everything and blah blah blah but i have done extensive amounts of research into these things and If all you know is whats said on CNN and Fox news then you have a very ass backwards view of whats really going on...
Doesn't surprise me at all that the most powerful and wealthy people in the world are not satisfied with what they have and want more, power drives greed!
The fact of the matter is war makes money, their is way to much evidence to say it doesnt. Dick Cheney has made millions through halliburton, destroy a country then use U.s. Tax money to pay halliburton to rebuild it, Halliburton makes money... So does Dick Cheney, again you cant deny the fact that this is true..
The Bush's and the Binaladin's have a very extensive history, not suspicious at all...
Im not saying i know everything and blah blah blah but i have done extensive amounts of research into these things and If all you know is whats said on CNN and Fox news then you have a very ass backwards view of whats really going on...
Doesn't surprise me at all that the most powerful and wealthy people in the world are not satisfied with what they have and want more, power drives greed!
CrackerJax
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That's why war shouldn't be reported back home..... it scares the weak and weak minded.
Try watching Mexican TV sometime..... maybe have someone hold ur hand tho...
Try watching Mexican TV sometime..... maybe have someone hold ur hand tho...
Michael Phelps
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Hahahaha Big Pussy your posts crack me up, seriously man i got a great laugh out of this!
So Gullible
Big Pussy, I bet if that pill poppin son of a bitch Glen Beck told you that the FLDS religion was the truth and the light youd be straight on your way to Eldorado Texas... Just as a fore waring though It can be a bit sandy down their so by all means bring a couple douches down their with ya so you can make sure and keep the sand out of your vagina!
jfgordon1
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Cracka loves war... we get it
Michael Phelps
Well-Known Member
Shouldnt be reported? Jesus, ya lets just keep everyone completely in the dark..
I love how being anti war is "weak minded".
ignorance [ˈɪgnərəns]n lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant
I see you fit the bill for all three..
Big P
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haha dont get mad at me cuz im on the inside and tellin it straight from the iraq street big dog, you ever even crossed the border champ?
pls dont try to hate on other peoples freedom while sittin from your arm chair enjoying your self in a free country, seems pretty cowardly and honestly its pretty f'ed up
you dont know shit about shit,
we did a great service for iraq wheather you like it or not.
you got a lot of nerve trying to tell us whats good for us
you wish iraq was in shambles but its not,
ironicly the dirty little secret is unemplyoment in iraq is almost the same as it is in the good ol US of A now
Sad but true
Johnny Retro
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There risking their lives for the well being of all US citizens
So yes, they are heros.
So yes, they are heros.
Michael Phelps
Well-Known Member
Thats what they have taught us...
Johnny Retro
Well-Known Member
It dosent matter if they really are doing us any good over there.
Fact is, they signed up to risk their lives for us..or is that a lie to?
Michael Phelps
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Ya your right man, you are telling me right from the streets huh? Btw ive been to 2 third world countries, how many have you been to. Here we are again, big bad America, big bullies on the playground.haha dont get mad at me cuz im on the inside and tellin it straight from the iraq street big dog, you ever even crossed the border champ?
pls dont try to hate on other peoples freedom while sittin from your arm chair enjoying your self in a free country, seems pretty cowardly and honestly its pretty f'ed up
you dont know shit about shit,
we did a great service for iraq wheather you like it or not.
you got a lot of nerve trying to tell us whats good for us
you wish iraq was in shambles but its not,
ironicly the dirty little secret is unemplyoment in iraq is almost the same as it is in the good ol US of A now
Sad but true
How can you say that im hating on other peoples freedom when you openly support war, what is freedom if your dead?
I love how you state "enjoying yourself in a free country"... Your right man we are so free here, you are completely wrong when you say this and let me explain why...
Lets say i save up enough to buy my own piece of property in the middle of nowhere, i didnt want a job, i just wanted to live my life, not bother anyone and just grow vegetables, farm animals, etc, essentially live by the land. If this were possible that would be freedom but its not because we have a "great" system put in place called taxes, First is income tax this where our system takes away a good portion of your money before you get it. Second we have a have a great thing called sales tax, so even after they have taken a good portion of your money before you get they feel the need to take their piece every time you spend your money. Then they have great systems put in check to get more of your money, lets charge everyone X amount of dollars every year to register their car, Anytime someone breaks the law even if its a small thing we can get some more money out them... Now none of those things really prevent someone from buying property and living off their land but can you guess what does?
If you guessed property tax you got it, even if you bought property and planned to completely live by your own means you cant because uncle sam will come crashing down on you because you have to pay your property tax, So no matter what you do you are trapped, Would you consider a trapped animal free? See we really arnt free, now you can say we have more liberties then other countries but to say we are free is preposterous.
Not to mention we lost most of our Liberties with the Patriot Act..
So one second you are saying its so great in Iraq, they have jobs and they are so happy. Then you come around and say ya their unemployment is the same as us, its sad but its true. So essentially you feel like the Iraqi people dont deserve good jobs, you feel like since we are big bad America we should have the bigger dick? im assuming you view them as a lower class dont you?
I have question for you, are you Christian? Personally im not, but If you are a true Christian and you truly believe and you support war then you my friend are a hypocrite, and so is every Christian soldier and war supporter out their, Never does it say in the Bible, Thou Shalt Not Kill Unless Its For Your Country...
Killing is Killing no matter what way you look at it, The universe has to main forces when all broken down. Creation and Destruction, Believe it or not war is a very destructive act.
Michael Phelps
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They signed up because the military offered them a fat bonus with great pay and good benefits, its not a service, its a job!
Im not saying that the military doesnt have some good people in but it but it def gives the gov to much power and it def does give people a license to do things in war that they normally wouldnt get away with. Did you watch that video at all, those pilots got excited by the fact that they were pumping these people with bullets, they got a rush off the fact that they were killing! Not only did they shoot, but they begged for permission to shoot again...
Big P
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iraqs unemplyment used to be like a crazy number under saddam like
thats why i compare it to americas now because its so great compared to the dismal % it was
also illistating how shitty we are right now
i was born in the middle east i travel there, i work with iraqis on a daily basis in my job
like i said i dont have to hear it from the various propeganda sources
i get it straight from the citizens
i am one of the few percent of arabs who was raised catholic
i do not subscribe to god anymore however
dont really wanna worship somone who allows horrible shit to go down
and simple fact is that there are many people on earth who should be killed
the sooner the better
Johnny Retro
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When your getting blown up by road side bombs, picked off in the middle of streets by snipers, fighting against an enemy that uses gurilla tactics, you'd be pretty excited about killing those fuckers too.
CrackerJax
New Member
Perhaps Michael should veer away from the political threads.... (whispers)...he's not very good at it.
Just a quick request for anyone who has an opinion on this: stop everything, step back, and ask yourself if you're okay with taking innocent human life. Think about it.
And after you do that, go back to burying this issue of fundamental human morality underneath however many layers of rationalization you need to feel comfortable.
"Necessary evil"? "It's the terrorists fault that we murder innocents"? "We're liberators"?
Sure. Whatever lets you live with yourself.
And after you do that, go back to burying this issue of fundamental human morality underneath however many layers of rationalization you need to feel comfortable.
"Necessary evil"? "It's the terrorists fault that we murder innocents"? "We're liberators"?
Sure. Whatever lets you live with yourself.
Padawanbater2
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Multi-quote extravaganza! 
Not according to the Nuremburg Defense;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense
The Nuremberg Defense is a legal defense that essentially states that the defendant was "only following orders" ("Befehl ist Befehl", literally "order is order") and is therefore not responsible for his or her crimes. The defense was most famously employed during the Nuremberg Trials, after which it is named.
Before the end of World War II, the Allies suspected such a defense might be employed, and issued the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal (IMT), which specifically stated that following an unlawful order is not a valid defense against charges of war crimes.
Thus, under Nuremberg Principle IV, "defense of superior orders" is not a defense for war crimes, although it might influence a sentencing authority to lessen the penalty. Nuremberg Principle IV states:
Our society ingrains the image of American superiority into each of our minds all throughout child development and even as adults, through a variety of mediums, some of these would include TV, magazines, popular culture, media, movies, etc. A good example to illustrate my point - take for instance an action movie, say they got
to star in a movie called "American Scum!" or something similar, and had him play a Russian spy mowing down American soldiers by the dozens just like one of the 007 movies.. How much money do you think that would bring in? Think it would do good?... How would the American public react to such a movie? Riots, outrage, protests, boycotts... So now reverse the roles, one lone American gunman (like we've seen hundreds of times) mowing down foreigners by the dozens... I can think of more than ten different movies off the top of my head where this exact same scenario takes place, where are the riots? The boycotts?... You get the point.
I do not believe they put their lives on the line to protect us. If that was true, they'd do it for free. Take away the paycheck and no soldier would stand for duty... Well, there would probably be a few of them, but the majority would walk right off the battlefield. I dare someone to disagree with that.
Killers are not heroes in my book.
This doesn't mean soldiers cannot do heroic things. Not by a long shot.
Not according to the Nuremburg Defense;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense
The Nuremberg Defense is a legal defense that essentially states that the defendant was "only following orders" ("Befehl ist Befehl", literally "order is order") and is therefore not responsible for his or her crimes. The defense was most famously employed during the Nuremberg Trials, after which it is named.
Before the end of World War II, the Allies suspected such a defense might be employed, and issued the London Charter of the International Military Tribunal (IMT), which specifically stated that following an unlawful order is not a valid defense against charges of war crimes.
Thus, under Nuremberg Principle IV, "defense of superior orders" is not a defense for war crimes, although it might influence a sentencing authority to lessen the penalty. Nuremberg Principle IV states:
"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."
No, nobody should be raped. That is disturbing bro.
Our society ingrains the image of American superiority into each of our minds all throughout child development and even as adults, through a variety of mediums, some of these would include TV, magazines, popular culture, media, movies, etc. A good example to illustrate my point - take for instance an action movie, say they got
I would disagree with this. Each of us has a responsibility to protect basic human rights. The video demonstrates a severe lack of judgment on the chopper crews part, and a severe deficiency in policy. "Shoot now, ask questions later" gives us outcomes exactly like this, which is why it's illegal for police to use the tactic in America.
I do not believe they put their lives on the line to protect us. If that was true, they'd do it for free. Take away the paycheck and no soldier would stand for duty... Well, there would probably be a few of them, but the majority would walk right off the battlefield. I dare someone to disagree with that.
They make a conscious decision to go off, thousands of miles away into foreign lands and "occupy" the territory our government labels a warzone, knowing beforehand they will probably be involved in killing someone. How can you dismiss that? They KNOW this yet they still go. My freedoms, my rights that I enjoy do not need to be protected by anyone but myself, and if everyone had this attitude, you would realize these things cannot be taken from you unless you forfeit them to begin with. The day someone comes to try to take my rights away, be it a "terrorist", an FBI agent, a SWAT team, my neighbor, or simply an intruder in my home taking away my right to protect my property and my family, I'll act accordingly, knowing the entire time it would be justified in my mind, which is all that really matters. You "shoot now, ask questions later" and kids die, innocent people are killed, more terrorists are created and hundreds if not thousands of people are indirectly affected as a consequence.
OK smart guy, the balls in your court, explain to me how you would wage (a successful) war against the US and coalition forces if you were the insurgency? What would be your course of action being a Taliban or AQ leader?
Biggest bullshit statement I've read in a while. You're the motherfucker condoning these terrorists actions. Hypocrite.
Simply fuckin' delusional dude. Wow.
Fantastic mentality!
Unfuckinbelievable. Advocating CENSORSHIP of the war! Holy shit Cracker, what a Brave New World it is indeed...
No, I wouldn't call them heroes. Similar to how Obama won a Peace Prize while waging two international wars... Just kind of retarded... Heroes help people, all people, regardless of skin color or religion or nationality, etc. They do it while harming no one. They do it not for themselves, but for the benefit of others. They do it at great risk to themselves because the benefit is so great to the rest of society.
Killers are not heroes in my book.
This doesn't mean soldiers cannot do heroic things. Not by a long shot.
Handson
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Yeah and it's brave to sit 500 feet away, in an APACHE shooting a 50 cal. cannon AT INNOCENT PEOPLE