when is it "technically" in flowering stage?

[SCARHOLE]

If your plant Is sexulaly mature the flowers show them selfs quick 3-4 days

If its young it may take 3 weeks to get em to show.

 

[homebrewer]

Now if you find that your 8 week blah blah is consistantly done at week 9 - 10...perhaps your plant didn't switch like a light switch but rather took 10 days or so to recognize the change. Often on this board I read people that have strains that are actually finished 10 - 14 days after the breeders specified dates. They all claim the breeders are overly optimistic with their times.

If a plant goes longer than the breeder's range, it's most likely a function of the phenotype rather than the 'time it started to flower'. I currently have a strain that takes 60 days and another that takes 77 days to finish. The longer flower period is NOT because it took 17 days to start flowering, it's sativa dominant and that's what they do.

 

[passthatsh!t23]

Great info!
Answered my newbie questions!
RIU ALWAYS PREVAILS!

 

[Anjinsan]

If a plant goes longer than the breeder's range, it's most likely a function of the phenotype rather than the 'time it started to flower'. I currently have a strain that takes 60 days and another that takes 77 days to finish. The longer flower period is NOT because it took 17 days to start flowering, it's sativa dominant and that's what they do.

Several responses. 1. Your plant is not a machine? They are not all identical? SHOCKING.
2. Please explain what day one of flowering is on a plant started 12/12 from seed.

 

[homebrewer]

Several responses. 1. Your plant is not a machine? They are not all identical? SHOCKING.
2. Please explain what day one of flowering is on a plant started 12/12 from seed.

I grow from clones or occasionally I'll veg some beans for four weeks before they get moved into my other room. 12/12 from seed is not how nature works and isn't a 'best practice' when growing indoors. I have a lot of answers but unfortunately I have never wasted my time/money with a 12/12 from seed grow.

 

[Anjinsan]

If I'm coming off harshly...I apologize but it's rather simple. Everyone so far is willing to admit that plants are not identical machines. They go longer than each other even within plants of the same exact strain. The grow faster/slower/stronger/weaker even within plants of the same strain. Now clones are clones and a different story of course. There is not supposed to be variation amoungst them for obvious reasons.

But for the topic of from seed how do you know the first day of flower: If you can accept that plants from seed grow differently...why is it so hard to accept that they switch into the flowering phrase slightly differently from each other? Slower/faster. Granted if you are growing a lot of plants you are going to want to start counting from the median "show" time. Ultimately you will see them finish a bit a head of the median and a bit behind it due to variation.

Counting days from flower is JUST to give you a estimate of the finish time. All that I am saying is that you'll get a more accurate guesstimate if you count from day one of them showing their sex because before that they are still in the vegging phase.

 

[fdd2blk]

Want further proof? Explain plants grown 12/12 from seed. Is flowering the second they are put into the dirt?

"proof".

here goes another dick measuring contest.

 

[fdd2blk]

Several responses. 1. Your plant is not a machine? They are not all identical? SHOCKING.
2. Please explain what day one of flowering is on a plant started 12/12 from seed.

you do understand there is a process, don't you?

plants START "going into" the flowering cycle as soon as they get 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness. it's built into their genetics. they do have to be mature first though. which explains the 12/12 from seed.

simple fact.

now, however you want to twist things around is up to you.

i have stated the "facts".

that is all.

 

[hardroc]

"proof".

here goes another dick measuring contest.

ahahahhahahaha

 

[fdd2blk]

If I'm coming off harshly...I apologize but it's rather simple. Everyone so far is willing to admit that plants are not identical machines. They go longer than each other even within plants of the same exact strain. The grow faster/slower/stronger/weaker even within plants of the same strain. Now clones are clones and a different story of course. There is not supposed to be variation amoungst them for obvious reasons.

But for the topic of from seed how do you know the first day of flower: If you can accept that plants from seed grow differently...why is it so hard to accept that they switch into the flowering phrase slightly differently from each other? Slower/faster. Granted if you are growing a lot of plants you are going to want to start counting from the median "show" time. Ultimately you will see them finish a bit a head of the median and a bit behind it due to variation.

Counting days from flower is JUST to give you a estimate of the finish time. All that I am saying is that you'll get a more accurate guesstimate if you count from day one of them showing their sex because before that they are still in the vegging phase.

urg, .....

plants have a natural chemical in them that starts the flowering process AS SOON AS they get 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness.

growing 101.

 

[Anjinsan]

you do understand there is a process, don't you?

plants START "going into" the flowering cycle as soon as they get 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness. it's built into their genetics. they do have to be mature first though. which explains the 12/12 from seed.

simple fact.

now, however you want to twist things around is up to you.

io have stated the "facts".

Twist things around? Before they have hairs...they are not flowering. When they have hairs they are starting to flower.

So if you put an immature plant into 12/12...day one is not day one of flower...now is it?

But when a plant shows hairs...be it from 12/12 from seed...24 hours of uninterrupted light...or anything...it is flowering.

 

[homebrewer]

Twist things around? Before they have hairs...they are not flowering. When they have hairs they are starting to flower.

So if you put an immature plant into 12/12...day one is not day one of flower...now is it?

But when a plant shows hairs...be it from 12/12 from seed...24 hours of uninterrupted light...or anything...it is flowering.

12/12 from seed is not what the OP was asking.

 

[fdd2blk]

Twist things around? Before they have hairs...they are not flowering. When they have hairs they are starting to flower.

So if you put an immature plant into 12/12...day one is not day one of flower...now is it?

But when a plant shows hairs...be it from 12/12 from seed...24 hours of uninterrupted light...or anything...it is flowering.

they are flowering before they have hairs, it just take them a minute to grow.

get a microscope and i bet you will see flowers even a few days earlier.



now you want to start arguing with an immature plant?






if you don't get it, it's not my fault. i tried.

 

[passthatsh!t23]

Homebrewer-- i got a couple of question?
i got two plant now at 46 days from seed. This is my first indoor grow.
i would like to know if i can take clones from my plant that is just a couple of days into the 12/12 flowering light schedule?
If i was able to get clones how would i go about taking them. i want to take the clones from the bottom of my biggest plant. What rooting compound do you perfer and the best way of Cloning.
Here is a couple of pics of my biggest plant from TOday.

 

[Anjinsan]

they are flowering before they have hairs, it just take them a minute to grow.

get a microscope and i bet you will see flowers even a few days earlier.



now you want to start arguing with an immature plant?






if you don't get it, it's not my fault. i tried.

People DO put immature plants into 12/12. All the time. 1,000's upon 1,000s of people all over the globe are going to put immature plants into flower this year.
There are people here that ONLY do 12/12 from seed. There are people that are just tired of waiting to find out how many females they have. So they hurry flowering up.
But a plant will not start making flowers before it is ready. I am not argueing that 12/12 doesn't speed things up. It obviously does. I'm just saying that for EVERY person be they impatient people
who put into 12/12 too soon or for people who timed it perfectly...you can count the day that you are on 12/12 AND there are the first set of hairs visible as day one.

You are saying..."my plants are timed right" they are going the second I flip them. You are right.

I just feel that many people including new growers are more likely to go into flower early. For them and everyone else...day one is when you are flipped and you see hairs.

 

[homebrewer]

Homebrewer-- i got a couple of question?
i got two plant now at 46 days from seed. This is my first indoor grow.
i would like to know if i can take clones from my plant that is just a couple of days into the 12/12 flowering light schedule?
If i was able to get clones how would i go about taking them. i want to take the clones from the bottom of my biggest plant. What rooting compound do you perfer and the best way of Cloning.
Here is a couple of pics of my biggest plant from TOday.

Cloning a flowering plant isn't ideal though it can be done. In the future, I would recommend cloning a plant that has never seen the flower cycle.

That being said, look into some clonex, some rapid rooter plugs and a humidity dome. Water your girl 12 hours before your cutting and cut a lower branch at a 45* angle. Idieally you'll be cutting a branch that has a few nodes on it. Lightly score the sides of the cutting, dip into clonex, plant in a hydrated rapid rooter cube. Make sure at least one node is below the surface of the medium. I keep standing water in my humidity dome as it provides much needed moisture at this critical time. If you have any specific questions, PM me.

 

[fdd2blk]

People DO put immature plants into 12/12. All the time. 1,000's upon 1,000s of people all over the globe are going to put immature plants into flower this year.
There are people here that ONLY do 12/12 from seed. There are people that are just tired of waiting to find out how many females they have. So they hurry flowering up.
But a plant will not start making flowers before it is ready. I am not argueing that 12/12 doesn't speed things up. It obviously does. I'm just saying that for EVERY person be they impatient people
who put into 12/12 too soon or for people who timed it perfectly...you can count the day that you are on 12/12 AND there are the first set of hairs visible as day one.

You are saying..."my plants are timed right" they are going the second I flip them. You are right.

I just feel that many people including new growers are more likely to go into flower early. For them and everyone else...day one is when you are flipped and you see hairs.

read the thread title.

 

[genuity]

........lol....no one person can tell you when your flowering starts,i still have yet to see a plant that is done in 60 days from switch?????....

 

[passthatsh!t23]

Cloning a flowering plant isn't ideal though it can be done. In the future, I would recommend cloning a plant that has never seen the flower cycle.

That being said, look into some clonex, some rapid rooter plugs and a humidity dome. Water your girl 12 hours before your cutting and cut a lower branch at a 45* angle. Idieally you'll be cutting a branch that has a few nodes on it. Lightly score the sides of the cutting, dip into clonex, plant in a hydrated rapid rooter cube. Make sure at least one node is below the surface of the medium. I keep standing water in my humidity dome as it provides much needed moisture at this critical time. If you have any specific questions, PM me.

Thanks.
Would i beable to pick up clonex and hydrated rapid rooter cubes at a local store[home depot,Lowes,etc.] or do i need to get it at a nursery?

 

[homebrewer]

Thanks.
Would i beable to pick up clonex and hydrated rapid rooter cubes at a local store[home depot,Lowes,etc.] or do i need to get it at a nursery?

Check your local hydro shop, or online. Though, a nursery or Lowes should have a jiffy humidity dome which I like.