Put up or shut up!!!
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not human urine though.
why can't you buy gallons of human breast milk at safeway?
cause it's just wrong.
same as pissing on your plants.
The Potologist
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exactly!!!not human urine though.
Why can't you buy gallons of human breast milk at safeway?
Cause it's just wrong.
Same as pissing on your plants.
The Potologist
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Yeah buddie! Just check out my profile page. I harvested 105lbs off of 65 plants last year.....without pissing on them to
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mconn333
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When you grow on the scale that I do, most everything to do with cultivation is free. Kinda feel like a rockstar. When you have everything, everyone wants to give you everything. When you have shit, that is what people want to give you.
Organic pertains to Hydrocarbons....You are confusing ALL NATURAL with ALL ORGANIC.....Moreso, the chemical analysis of human urine is pretty crazy. Lastly, they sell BAT POOP, COW POOP, CHICKEN POOP etc....NOT BAT PEE, COW PEE, CHICKEN PEE....for a reason
But, to each their own. What works for me may or may not for u and vice versa. Im not close minded on the subject . I personally dont care if you pee all over them or not. I am just letting you know that Human Urine is not Organic, even if you only consume organic products.
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generally speaking all animals piss where they shit,unless i am missing something animal urnine is mixed with there shit when its collected
The Potologist
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Very respectable. and thanks for some new knowledge. I wish to only comment on the ammonia smell factor. Just because there is not an odor of it, does not mean there isnt XYZ amount of ammonia within solution. Good luck to all as well, no matter if you use pee, or not
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MellowHaze
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those are some good lookin piss free plants man fair doosI only used Fox Farms Organic Big Bloom and said soil. I yielded 105 lbs off of 65 gurls....What was that about put up or shut up?
The second picture in, is a 16 foot tall Querkle X Vortex. I planted it next to a 20 foot pine tree. I GOT 6lbs 2 oz. off her.
I won a total of 5 awards from last years crop. FYI---HUMAN URINE IS NOT ORGANIC
PS....Put your pee in the toliet where it belongs
The Potologist
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I agree very much. However, they always let any animals shit compost for a period of time to where the urine and ammonia are removed from said shit that gets sold to the public
I just thought of something else to. If urine was SO BENEFICIAL to cannabis cultivation, dont you think major companies like Fox Farms, Humboldt, Advanced Nutrients would include human urine in their fertilizers? After all its really economical.....but has very little application in modern cultivation.
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Denofearth69
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No, not yet, not in America. However, this urine as fertilizer has gained so much momentum that the Finns and Swedes have begun production on a new toilet design that will have separate compartments for solid and liquid waste. This is due to the fact that these Nordic countries have had extensive problems with human waste nutrient pollution causing red tide blooms. From the research which established this fact, came the studies about applying human urine as a fertilizer. The results of the urine as fert study concluded that crops grown with urine fertilizer outperformed those grown using commercially available fertilizers. ( check out this link http://www.physorg.com/news111063956.html ) Also, if you would all just google human urine as fertilizer you will get over 600,000 hits which bear out the usefulness of urine as a fertilizer. If you still have doubts, why not try a side by side comparison? Of course, to simulate my own results would require that you compost said urine in compost comprised of roughly 25% duck manure as well.I agree very much. However, they always let any animals shit compost for a period of time to where the urine and ammonia are removed from said shit that gets sold to the public
I just thought of something else to. If urine was SO BENEFICIAL to cannabis cultivation, dont you think major companies like Fox Farms, Humboldt, Advanced Nutrients would include human urine in their fertilizers? After all its really economical.....but has very little application in modern cultivation.
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Oh, and upon researching the ammonia issue. Urine, regardless of what it came from, must pool, puddle, or exist in a highly saturated environment ( like the litter in a horse stable ) where it can basically go stale for it to convert to ammonia. One reason that those who use manure from stables allow it to compost and dry before it is used. In the composting/drying process the ammonia rather rapidly converts to a gas and evaporates out. Fresh urine, either diluted and applied immediately to plants or added to an active compost pile just doesn't convert to ammonia. Also, the N-P-K available in urine ( especially the N ) is in a form that has been found to be one of the fastest acting and most easily absorbed forms for plants.
When I first began posting on RIU ( this is first grow indoors for me ) I was told by grow gurus to study, study, study and research, research, research. Of the more than 600,000 articles I got when I googled, I didn't come across even one that had anything negative to say about using urine as fertilizer. No I didn't read them all, but after about 30 without finding anything negative it seemed safe to assume that the overwhelming evidence is that this is a valuable, free, and yes, organic alternative to commercial ferts which, by the way, are overwhelmingly petroleum based.
Oh, and I found the answer to the guy who remarked that dog piss kills lawns. In actuality it is only female dog pee that kills lawns, and it is the high concentration of estrogen in female dog urine that kills grass. If it is male dog urine killing grass, than it is because the owner isn't watering enough and the grass is dying from serious nutrient burn. If grass is already water deprived, it will quickly wick up dog urine ( seeking to obtain the moisture ) and then die from over fertilization.
Let's keep this debate alive until harvest time. I'd love to see side by side comparisons. Need to find another Colorado outdoor grower who uses commercial ferts that I can compare my crop to.
The Potologist
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Very nice and maticulate piece! Good knowledge, and a respectable projection of your message. I believe, that there is no disputing the historical usage of human urine in agriculture. For those who smell "ammonia" in their urine or any other urine, its actually high concentrations of bonded Nitrogen. This Nitrogen that is so beloved by urine fertilization users is very different in its molecular structure than the Nitrogen that is found in commercial grade fertilizers,partialy. The nitrogen molecules that are found in urine are very distinct and uniform in regards to urine. Human Urine Nitrogen in a molecular structure is a triple covalent bond. It shares three pairs on electrons within its bond. Scientifically, it is the least used by cannabis, as well as, the hardest to intake. That is scientific fact, not heresay.
The nitrogen found in commercial grade fertilizers has a very distinct and uniform molecular structure as well. This Nitrogen is( generally speaking, nitrogen does vary in the commercial fertilizers market) consists of two particles. 1. Nitrate Nitrogen 2. Ammoniacal Nitrogen. Nitrate nitrogen comes first: it is soluble in water and moves through the soil easily. It is the form that is most easily taken up by plants, is available whether the temperature is high or low, but, because it is soluble, it is the form most easily washed out of the soil and lost. This is not disputable. It is scientific fact. This is the first choice of cannabis for sources of Nitrogen just based on its ease of capillary, as well as its availability.
2.Ammoniacal nitrogen is also water soluble, and is partially taken up directly by the plant. But most needs to be converted to the nitrate form by microorganisms in the soil before it gets into the plant. These microorganisms work better in warm temperatures than cold, so the ammoniacal nitrogen may not be as available in the early spring or the late fall. As ammoniacal nitrogen is converted to nitrate it acidifies the soil. The reasons for the application of this form of Nitrogen is actually economically statued. This Nitrogen closely resembles human urine nitrogens molecular structure. The other reason for its application in commercial grade fertilizer is because of Ammonia's ability to preserve nitrogen molecules because of their scientific need to form molecular bonds through the path of least resistance. That path is through Nitrogen. Once bonded, Nitrogen will last alot longer, especially considering the elements in which the nitrogen is in. Studies have shown, especially the ones done by Dr. Greg Honsworth from Cambridge University, that even when plants are showing significant signs of Nitrogen deficit, there is usually a OVERABUNDANCE of Ammoniacal Nitrogen still available in the plants medium. Plants are very very reluctant to utilize this form of Nitrogen, even when they absolutely need to. Considering a plants basic instict of Survival...this sincerly goes to show how hard up a plant is to utilize this form of Nitrogen. Also, this form of nitrogen is a "Timed Release" Nitrogen. Due to the need to be converted into Nitrate Nitrogen.
So, scientifically speaking, yes humine urine does provide limited benefits of Nitrogen. The P-K in human urine is in super small amounts (ppm). Moreso, the forms that they are found in Human Urine are completely useless to Cannabis.
I wish to say that, to those who know me on this site, know my credentials. I am a retired Botanist( Plant Biology). I will never claim to know it all, or have all the right awnsers. I have been wrong before, and will be again. I believe everyone has a right to interprut what they wish with their own wisdoms. Moreso, everyone has a right to an opinion. In my times, I have found that Plant Biology is the polar opposite of Plant Cultivation ( agriculture). Though they share some basic sciences, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. Not all facts of Botany, are applicable to agriculture. In the end, what works for some, may not work for others.
However, although there have been great results using human urine as a fertilizer, science says that its not all that great. Moreso, in all of these studies, genetics was never a factor for some reason. They seemed to be awashed at the results of human urine without any consideration into genetics. I believe that is where the theory of human urine fertilization begins to show its flaws. Even with proven growth with its application, NONE are comparable to commercial grade fertilizers ( even though they are petroleum based doesnt make them the devil or not superior). Until there can be regulated and clinical studies to prove one version better than the other, all that can be said from a scientific point of view is " TO EACH THEIR OWN".
I hope you enjoy reading this. This subject has been a fun one to converse about. I am happy to see the level of science applied to cannabis cultivation. Its all a learning curve that does not stop in any of our lifetimes. Way to go Roll it up! I can only wish to see more good stuff like this in the future. ROCK ON!!! This Bong is for you!
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nobody will tell me why they aren't drinking it.
Urine therapy refers to one of several uses of urine to prevent or cure sickness, to enhance beauty, or to cleanse one's bowels. Most devotees drink the midstream of their morning urine. Some prefer it straight and steaming hot; others mix it with juice or serve it over fruit. Some prefer a couple of urine drops mixed with a tablespoon of water applied sublingually several times a day. Some wash themselves in their own golden fluid to improve their skin quality. Many modern Japanese women are said to engage in urine bathing. The truly daring use their own urine as an enema. Urine is not quite the breakfast of champions, but it is the elixir of choice of a number of holy men in India where drinking urine has been practiced for thousands of years. The drink is also the preferred pick-me-up for a growing number of naturopaths and other advocates of "nature cures." The main attractions of this ultimate home brew are its cost, availability and portability. It is much cheaper than that other "water of life," whiskey (uisge beatha), which also has been hailed for its medicinal qualities. Unlike whiskey, however, urine is always available, everyone carries a supply at all times, and, for most people, there are no intoxicating side effects. Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine. The same can't be said for good single malt such as Highland Park or a good whiskey such as Black Bush.
http://www.skepdic.com/urine.html
Urine therapy refers to one of several uses of urine to prevent or cure sickness, to enhance beauty, or to cleanse one's bowels. Most devotees drink the midstream of their morning urine. Some prefer it straight and steaming hot; others mix it with juice or serve it over fruit. Some prefer a couple of urine drops mixed with a tablespoon of water applied sublingually several times a day. Some wash themselves in their own golden fluid to improve their skin quality. Many modern Japanese women are said to engage in urine bathing. The truly daring use their own urine as an enema. Urine is not quite the breakfast of champions, but it is the elixir of choice of a number of holy men in India where drinking urine has been practiced for thousands of years. The drink is also the preferred pick-me-up for a growing number of naturopaths and other advocates of "nature cures." The main attractions of this ultimate home brew are its cost, availability and portability. It is much cheaper than that other "water of life," whiskey (uisge beatha), which also has been hailed for its medicinal qualities. Unlike whiskey, however, urine is always available, everyone carries a supply at all times, and, for most people, there are no intoxicating side effects. Furthermore, the urge to overindulge is almost absent when drinking urine. The same can't be said for good single malt such as Highland Park or a good whiskey such as Black Bush.
http://www.skepdic.com/urine.html
The Potologist
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GREAT READ!! Thanks for the link fdd! I have one conclusion after reading all of that. Humans, can be extremely foolish, especially when combatting boredom! Just foolishness.
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The Potologist
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exactly.ahhh....thats cause it is brotha!
The Potologist
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My deduction is that, if they dont mind smoking it, they certianly cant mind bathing, or drinking, or even snorting it for that matterexactly.
jwop
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can i do you a solid and weed your garden? someone's got to do it